Saddam Hussein -- U.S break Geneva Convention again

[jjcollins]

Is it just me or is the U.S a law onto themselves once again they just rip up international laws and do what ever they like. The parading of Saddam Hussein on TV is a clear breach of the Geneva Convention and the U.S must be brought to book over this.

GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR --

Article 13 / Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.



JMHO


jj.........

 

[TiggerPiglet]

Saddam is not a prisoner of war, he was a wanted criminal.

 

[WilmaBud]

First of all, he was shown getting medical treatment, not being interrogated or humiliated in anyway. Second of all, I think the public - especially the Iraqi population - needs to see him to believe it. My husband was a US Naval officer for 9 years, and he doesn't see any violation of the Geneva convention.

 

[mickeyminnie]

example of the fair and equitaqble treatment of all people.

By the way are you Catholic or Protestant???????



Pardon my opinion but it just figures that we can't just be happy that this terror-monger is caught and out of business. NO we have to find a reason to dis the U.S. once again.

Get over it.

I assume the million Iraqis in mass graves are concerned that he not be shown on TV without his permission.

 

[DoeWDW]

The footage I have seen of Saddam Hussein shows him being treated with respect. I see no problem with showing his picture on TV to reassure millions of frightened Iraqui people that they no longer need to fear him.

If he were being humiliated, shamed or disrespected, I would not be happy.

 

[Kismetdreams]

TiggerPiglet is correct. SH is not considered a Prisoner of War, he is considered a War Criminal.

He was captured for his crimes and will now face trial by the international war crimes tribunal in The Hague, as it should be.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Same story as when he kids were taken out, all is fine.

 

[bjgrazi]

I hope they drop his butt in acid for us all to watch on TV! JMHO

 

[jjcollins]

mickeyminnie what has Northern Ireland or my religon got to do with it ?????

Let set the record straight here i know most of you don't like to here it.


Article 4 of Geneva Convention states --

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;



Now its very simple he should not be paraded on TV just tp prove that he has been captured the Law quite clearly shows that.

And we can't have one law for one and another for the rest can we.


jj.......

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I guess I am dumb because I don't see which category he falls into. That "a" part is confusing to little ole me because it doesn't sound like him either. He wasn't a member of the militia. He is a war criminal, not a prisoner of war. Anyway, MHO is that he wasn't paraded on tv or made subject to ridicule.

 

[Poppins]

jjcollins--
It is just you...he was shown on worldwide TV getting humane, respectful treatment...something that was not afforded to the millions he cruelly tortured, murdered, raped, and intimidated through incomprehensible and heinous measures. It is precisely because of those who share your point of view that he be shown being treated with care...otherwise, your post likely would be intimating that our military have tortured him. Thank you for your concern for the rights of another human being...in this instance I believe your concern is unfounded! Perhaps your concern that someone be "brought to book over this" would be better rested upon those Iraqis whom he violated so inhumanely and viciously. JMHO.

 

[Kismetdreams]

Well, this is direct from the Geneva Convention and it clearly states that:

(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

And they MUST meet all four conditions.

As such prisoner of war status can be revoked/not given if an individual is shown to have committed a war crime, according to (d).

This is not my opinion, this is fact.

 

[HoneyPooh]

Here we go again, gotta find a way to make the USA be the bad guy don't we? He's a war criminal not a prisoner of war. Try a little harder, that one was pretty darned weak.

 

[jjcollins]

Well if he's a war criminal lets Indict Mr Bush or Mr Clinton -- i suppose you've all forgot indiscriminate bombing of Serbia and innocent people killed allied bombs. Also i'd like to now thank those Yanks who over the years have supported one of the most Evil Terrorist organizations in the world the IRA - through your funding has killed lots of innocent people.

Ask yourself one thing would you like to be examined on TV ?????


PS- Kismetdreams YOUR WRONG

Article 4

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.


jj.........

 

[Pin Wizard]

He's a tyrant and deserves what he gets. I have NO sympathy at all.

 

[jjcollins]

Not asking for any Sympathy just to observe International Law



jj.........

 

[Poppins]

jjcolllins, ypu said, "Ask yourself one thing would you like to be examined on TV ?????"

Absolutely! Here in America, everything we do is subject to coverage by the press...good or bad. Saddam Hussein has waged his atrocities through manipulation and suppression of individual freedoms, such as freedom of the press. He also used the world's press throughout his dictatorial tenure to further the atrocities he has visited upon so many victims.

One question: Do you hold your own nation to these standards as well? When the IRA commits an atrocity (bombing, shooting, etc.), do you revel in their public capture and display on TV? Over the years, I have seen much news coverage about this, and am I to assume that you have publicly decried the treatment of those from the IRA as you do for Saddam Hussein?

 

[Grog]

I just want to get in here before this thread gets locked and say..... I don't care how they treat him. This thread is simply another in a long line of let's find every minute and tiny thing wrong that we can with the conduct of the Coalition Forces in the war. Dan Murphy has a thread on page one right now with a picture of an Iraqi woman holding a sign that says "Thank you USA". Somehow I don't think she cares what happens to Saddam either. I value her opinion just a little bit more than someone who has to go out of their way to rain on what is a great day for the Iraqi people and Coalition Forces.

... and BTW, as was said before, the Iraqi people needed to see him on TV to know that he was captured.

 

[Poppins]

Grog,
You are so right! This is a great day for America and the Coalition forces, and an even greater day for the beleaguered people of Iraq. I agree, this thread will soon be locked, but I just want to thank Dan for helping us to celebrate the capture of a person who has no respect for human rights and dignity. I have been a member of the DIS almost since its inception, and I rarely post, just lurk. I could not let jjcolins opinions pass by. I truly celebrate jjcollins right to express how s/he feels. I simply felt I must do the same. I love America, and I am proud of what the Coalition forces have accomplished. God bless President Bush, Tony Blair and the forces who daily put their lives on the line for freedom.

 

[Kim&Chris]

I'm wondering why jjcollins would even care whether or not Saddam was examined on TV.

He is shown being treated humanely and completely uninjured by US forces. God knows that, if this wasn't shown on TV, people would be screaming for proof that he wasn't being treated poorly.

Too bad Saddam didn't treat his people half as well as he's being treated at this moment. Too bad jjcollins has the gall to judge America's actions.

Saddam is the Hitler of our generation. Just be glad he's captured and get over it.