Saddam Hussein -- U.S break Geneva Convention again

[jjcollins]

Hold on a minute here -- why should this thread be locked away Have i said anything that is not true????

I'd be very unhappy if this thread is locked away just because i have a different view from everyone else. But i guess nothing would surprise me in the Land of the so called Free -- Free only have money or stay in line.


BTW the Americans needed to see him and to show some results -- after all they're losing badly.


I wonder why the Iraqi people haven't turned on the British troops???

Is it because we're more compassionate.

Don't forget the thread was about the U.S BREAKING international law ( Geneva Convention )



jj........

 

[jjcollins]

PS -- have a look at my Picture it says it all --- Defying all Terrorism

I'm not selectived PLO - HAMAS - BASQUE ( ETA ) - FARC -- IRA


AS for Saddam try him under international law and let get full justice of law -- but don't use him for any political gains.


Ohhh one thing remember who's goverment backed this war criminal down the years. Ohh thats when it suited them giving him weapons to fight against IRAN. Boy you guys do have a short memory!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope Saddam talks i'm sure he'll have things to tell us about Mr Donald Rumsfeld and Co -- should make good listening.



jj...........

 

[chuckf6823]

Originally posted by Kim&Chris
I'm wondering why jjcollins would even care whether or not Saddam was examined on TV.

I'm wondering why if jjcollins has such a low opinion of our United States of America does s/he include <b>our</b> flag in his/her signature????

 

[Kismetdreams]

And is member of a board supporting an American tradition!

 

[TiggerPiglet]

Jjcollins, I've read what you've posted on Article 4 of the Geneva Convention and I fail to see how Saddam Hussein would qualify under "prisoner of war" status.
Also, I don't get how you can tell a member of the U.S. Air Force they're mistaken about the Geneva Convention and who would qualify under that. I'm talking about Kismetdreams. If you look at her profile, it clearly states she's a member of the U.S. Air Force and you told her she was mistaken that Saddam was not a prisoner of war. I'm not sure of what your qualifications are on this subject, but I think I'll take the word of a U.S. Air Force member over yours, thank you very much.

 

[izzy]

Originally posted by jjcollins
But i guess nothing would surprise me in the Land of the so called Free -- Free only have money or stay in line.

Gosh JJ, given how awful we Americans are, perhaps you should wage a personal protest by not going to Walt Disney World or buying American made products. Remember, everything you buy in or from the US is taxed in some way, and that money goes to help our military in its tireless quest to violate the Geneva Convention by looking for head lice in the hair of an evil dictator and then showing it on TV.

 

[Grog]

after all they're losing badly.

Right. Whatever. And as for your paranoia, I meant that the thread might be locked because of the possiblity of this thread getting out of hand, not because you don't agree with the way Saddam is being treated. BTW... I still don't care how they treat him, so feel free to wring your hands and tell us how bad Americans are all you want.

 

[SandraM]

Well hi there, jj, fancy meeting you here!
I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this thread. If it does get locked, would you repost on the Debate Board please? I think things could get really interesting there!

Referring to the quote:
"if jjcollins has such a low opinion of our United States of America", isn't this a bit of an over-reaction? I thought you Americans were big into free speech and all that? I guess I must have got it wrong.

Is there anyone out there who would agree with me that Yes, the US didn't quite adhere to the Geneva Convention, but that we are talking about exceptional circumstances here. I know that when there was a press conference earlier today, although I didn't think we'd get it, I couldn't help shouting at the tv, give us a bit of video of him!

Saddam Hussein is a horrible man, I think the death penalty would be too kind to him, I think he should be made miserable for the rest of his natural life. It's a pity that George Bush's daddy didn't take him out years ago IMO when he had a great opportunity and wide support.

Compliments of the season to everybody!

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by jjcollins
I hope Saddam talks i'm sure he'll have things to tell us about Mr Donald Rumsfeld and Co -- should make good listening.



jj...........

Yep, and then we'll see if he has anything to tell us about his much more recent dealings with the French, Germans and Russians -- should make GOOD listening!

 

[chuckf6823]

Referring to the quote:
"if jjcollins has such a low opinion of our United States of America", isn't this a bit of an over-reaction? I thought you Americans were big into free speech and all that? I guess I must have got it wrong.


[/B]

No you didn't get it wrong. I never said it shouldn't be there. I just asked why it is. If I had such a low opinion of a country I certainly wouldn't fly it's flag. And is it an over-reaction?? Show me where this person has anything good to say about our country.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Is there anyone out there who would agree with me that Yes, the US didn't quite adhere to the Geneva Convention, but that we are talking about exceptional circumstances here.

I can't agree with you because I STILL fail to see how he qualifies under the Geneva convention. JJ still hasn't addressed the fact that he is NOT a prisoner of war, but rather a war criminal.

 

[doxdogy]

So, you seem to think that we violated the Genveva Conventions by showing his picture on the news. I don't see how in the world you are drawing this conclusion. He was not being questioned, he was not being mistreated. In fact, the images showed him being treated by a military doctor. Yet, a few months ago when we were showed images of members of our military being questioned by the Iraqi's there was nary a peep from you about them violating the Geneva Conventions. You are entitled to your opinions, just like the rest of us have the right to tell you that what you are saying is basically hogwash.

edited to add the info below:

According to A.P.V. Rogers, a former Major General in the British army and an expert in the laws of war, the key to deciding whether treatment of POW’s infringes the Convention is to look at the intention of the action. Action that was intended to be “humiliating and degrading,” he said, would qualify as a breach of the Convention. But television footage that was “merely factual” would not necessarily be a violation.

Here is the link to the site from which I copied and pasted the above paragraph:

http://www.crimesofwar.org/special/Iraq/brief-pow.html

 

[Dan Murphy]

Saddam is clearly, and publicly, stated by the United States government, to be a war criminal, with crimes against humanity and his people, not a prisoner of war, and will be treated and tried as such. Additionally, just as with his two boys, the United States government is being VERY judiciously public about things it did, does and will do, so as to make sure there is absolutely no possibility of anyone, anywhere, saying something either did or did not occur when it did or did not. Also, to demonstrate in a very public forum that, in his case, he was indeed captured, not one of his countless doubles, and in the case of his boys, that it was indeed they who were killed, not one of their doubles. If you, JJ, want to stretch it to insinuate and accuse that the US is doing things in a public fashion, I am sure you would get the United States government to agree with that accusation, and that it is indeed, VERY and unmistakenly intentional.

 

[Grog]

Yet, a few months ago when we were showed images of members of our military being questioned by the Iraqi's there was nary a peep from you about them violating the Geneva Conventions.

Now, now... I'm sure that jjcollins was posting little frowny faces over on the Iraqi version of the DIS, we just didn't see it.

 

[Grog]

"if jjcollins has such a low opinion of our United States of America", isn't this a bit of an over-reaction? I thought you Americans were big into free speech and all that? I guess I must have got it wrong.

No, we are into free speech. But it is two way street. An interesting concept that some people fail to grasp.

Say anything you want, but if it is unpopular, be prepared for others to use those same rights to tell you so.

Nice try though...

 

[macs4us]

I have no love for Saddam or Bush, but I do think Americans would be upset if Bush were captured and they showed him on TV being searched for lice. I know when I was a camp counselor, when a kid got lice they were mortified - I think most adults would be too...and no one looks good with a wooden stick in their mouth. While it is up for debate semantically as to whether it violates the Geneva convention, I would hope we would have more class than that. We seem more and more isolationist, and everytime we do that, our economy goes in the toliet - wish our elected officials would look at the history books.

I wish my country wouldn't pat itself on the back so much, and look so damned arrogant. If we all know we did a good job getting him, why do we need to go on and on about it? Why not say, hey, we couldn't have done this without the intelligence provided by the Iraqi people - the people who want a new country. That is after all why we should be there - as an instrument of change. I think it would be more constructive for the people we are trying to help, unless that is just a ruse as well.

An American who loves free speech for ALL people...

 

[phorsenuf]

Originally posted by macs4us
they shouwed him on TV being searched for lice.

and no one looks good with a wooden stick in their mouth.

Better than a video of being cavity searched! LOL

Sorry...just trying to lighten the mood!

 

[SandraM]

macs4us

Well said!

 

[PamOKW]

Originally posted by macs4us
II do think Americans would be upset if Bush were captured and they shouwed him on TV being searched for lice.

Not if he was a mass murderer who had destroyed his country. Not if he was a war criminal who had been caught.

It's a good thing jj's countrymen didn't worry about infringing on the rights of war criminals in the 1940's or our friend jj would be talking to us in German.

 

[Grog]

If we all know we did a good job getting him, why do we need to go on and on about it?

Ask CNN and their rivals... the media is the one that is keeping an early morning story going well into the evening. I can even hear a news story going about this very subject in the other room as I type (60 Minutes I think). Personally, I found out all I needed to know before lunchtime. Unless there is some twist we haven't heard about, I think the media needs to switch back to regular news coverage now.