Rogue One catch all thread

[mshanson3121]

TFA...and I have watched it twice recently...is really just a reboot. You can find all the 20 year old actors you want...but if you have no other plot lines to use...it doesn't reasonate.

That may be a generational thing. I'm sure 12 years olds like it. But I'm not sure I believe in the generational continuation of Star Wars. The world is different - I don't think you can reboot and have it still be Star Wars. It will become bland to younger generations...and cheapen/fall flat.

They have to try different things...get some cutting edge...go "unsafe"

I wonder what deep story is behind Rey?

Is she a long lost Jedi relative who can balance the universe?
Stashed on a desert planet because the great evil knows she's too powerful to beat?
Her parents killed and she has
To be hidden to fulfill their destiny?
The secret brother/sister/cousin of the torn, conflicted bad guy?

Wow...the possibilities are endless


George lucas said it was days of our lives for 7 year olds

Is that still the plan? Cause reboots aren't even quite good enough for that. Maybe snoke is Susan lucci?

No one here will change your mind. We get that But as hard as it may be to believe, many loved TFA, and no not just 12 year olds. And time will tell how many, but there are those who didn't love R1. I don't think any will be as disappointing though as episodes 1-3.

My husband and are are in the late 30/early 40 range, we loved TFA. We love Star Wars, we grew up on it. Our parents loved it. Our kids love Star Wars and have seen 7 of 8. The originals and TFA are their favorites. Seeing as how they are the 3rd generation fans, I really dont think there's any fear of generational interest dying out anytime soon. The point of TFA and subsequent films is to carry interest to the new generation, while also keeping it going for the previous fans.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

No one here will change your mind. We get that But as hard as it may be to believe, many loved TFA, and no not just 12 year olds. And time will tell how many, but there are those who didn't love R1. I don't think any will be as disappointing though as episodes 1-3.

My husband and are are in the late 30/early 40 range, we loved TFA. We love Star Wars, we grew up on it. Our parents loved it. Our kids love Star Wars and have seen 7 of 8. The originals and TFA are their favorites. Seeing as how they are the 3rd generation fans, I really dont think there's any fear of generational interest dying out anytime soon. The point of TFA and subsequent films is to carry interest to the new generation, while also keeping it going for the previous fans.

The jury is still out.

I typed a month ago that R1 and 8 were by far the most important Star Wars movies. That is now more important than ever.

Rogue one did the job it needed to...it created memorable moments and characters that can be replayed a million times. That is Star Wars. It added to the story with tricks and gimmicks not seen yet.

TFA did Some of that but not as effectively (don't believe me now...time will be my evidence)...but now they have to do a better job of wow, ohh,and ahhh for the next movie. It can't be telegraphed for 6 year olds like the prequels and - honestly - the force awakens was...

Did anyone honestly NOT think they were killing Han Solo? I mean...CIA type security and it was obvious from almost the drop. It can't be that easy...unless it's a reboot. And there you go.

I had the ranking as Jedi-Empire-TFA-Hope last year...
Now it's Jedi-Empire-R1-Hope-TFA now... and honestly R1 is better than Jedi but that's my personal favorite.

As I stated: there are eerily similar characteristics in TFA as there was for the first prequel...there seems to be limited avenues to go down now. They painted themselves into the corner a bit. But they have the ability to change the pattern a little and not do the corny kid thing.

There are rumors that it's luke training the young jedi on a remote planet as the old sage and Kylo ren kidnaps the others to draw her out...that is out there.

I mean...god I hope that's somebody Messing with us. I need not see Empire: Special, SPECIAL edition. It was perfect the first time.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Rogue destroyed sing at the box office and obliterated every other movie.

Pretty impressive $64 mil haul for Dec 23-25

 

[rteetz]

Rogue destroyed sing at the box office and obliterated every other movie.

Pretty impressive $64 mil haul for Dec 23-25

Yep saw that this morning. I might finally go for round two tomorrow.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Yep saw that this morning. I might finally go for round two tomorrow.

Round 3 Wednesday...4 Saturday

 

[rteetz]

Round 3 Wednesday...4 Saturday

I don't think I've ever seen a movie in theaters that many times.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I don't think I've ever seen a movie in theaters that many times.

Neither have I...I'm putting my money where my mouth is...which I do 99% of the time.

I'm saying I want "this"...not "that"

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Rogue is also tracking towards $31,000,000 plus today

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Rian Johnson has apparently been banging the drum that the prequels are "actually very good"

Not what you want to hear from your director a year out...not at all

 

[mshanson3121]

Watching The Phantom Menace as I type. First time in 10+ years. Good story, but they were so overdone. I mean, I get it. That level of technology was new and they wanted to use it, but they over did it. Jar Jar is a prime example.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Watching The Phantom Menace as I type. First time in 10+ years. Good story, but they were so overdone. I mean, I get it. That level of technology was new and they wanted to use it, but they over did it. Jar Jar is a prime example.

Is it April 1st already?

You got me this time...


"The Taxation of trade routes in outlying systems are in dispute"

"His midichlorian levels are the highest I've ever seen"

"I don't care what universe you're from that's gotta hurt"


NONE of that crap had to do with cgi.

It's what happens when an awful writer with a lot of money isn't told what sucks and what doesn't by his yes men.

 

[skier_pete]

Finally saw this movie last night. Really, really enjoyed it. It felt like a Star Wars film while at the same time feeling like something new. (TFA, which I also liked suffered from lack of originality in the effort to make it "Star Wars-y".) What impressed me the most was how high they were able to keep the tension in the final battle for something that we already 100% knew the conclusion of....

Also during that final battle I found myself thinking..."This is the Star Wars prequel that George Lucas should've made" and then "Boy how badly did they completely botch those prequels" - this movie is such a very simple and straightforward story and yet it is extremely effective. It also doesn't feel like it's primary reason for existence is to sell toys, while the secondary reason to exist is for a movie...

The success of it and the general positive reviews also buoy me that they will continue to try new things with these movies. I am thrilled at the idea of a Star Wars movie that doesn't revolve around a friggin' Death Star / Starkiller / Moon-popper. (Episode VIII perhaps?)

@mshanson3121 - the Phantom Menace. I got to watch it a bunch as my daughter went through her prequel phase. Those movies are bad not because of the over-reliance on CGI, though that doesn't help - but because the story/writing/dialog is so bad. @lockedoutlogic hit it exactly on the head. Lucas' had lots of great ideas, but the OT he worked with a lot of others to bring the story up to speed. The prequels he wrote pretty much on his own and he was surrounded by yes-men that told him how great he was. The bones are maybe there for an interesting idea, but there are so many things wrong with it that it just doesn't work. JarJar is just the most glaring example of the tone deafness throughout the prequels. And it isn't really that they are "bad" movies - bad movies are genuinely unwatchable and these aren't quite that - just that they are mediocre movies that would have faded away had they not been "Star Wars" movies.

I will say this though - time has shown (for me) that the Phantom Menace isn't the worst of the prequels. Attack of the Clones is terrible in way more ways than Phantom Menace - and the things I thought were good about it weren't really very good at all.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Finally saw this movie last night. Really, really enjoyed it. It felt like a Star Wars film while at the same time feeling like something new. (TFA, which I also liked suffered from lack of originality in the effort to make it "Star Wars-y".) What impressed me the most was how high they were able to keep the tension in the final battle for something that we already 100% knew the conclusion of....

Also during that final battle I found myself thinking..."This is the Star Wars prequel that George Lucas should've made" and then "Boy how badly did they completely botch those prequels" - this movie is such a very simple and straightforward story and yet it is extremely effective. It also doesn't feel like it's primary reason for existence is to sell toys, while the secondary reason to exist is for a movie...

The success of it and the general positive reviews also buoy me that they will continue to try new things with these movies. I am thrilled at the idea of a Star Wars movie that doesn't revolve around a friggin' Death Star / Starkiller / Moon-popper. (Episode VIII perhaps?)

@mshanson3121 - the Phantom Menace. I got to watch it a bunch as my daughter went through her prequel phase. Those movies are bad not because of the over-reliance on CGI, though that doesn't help - but because the story/writing/dialog is so bad. @lockedoutlogic hit it exactly on the head. Lucas' had lots of great ideas, but the OT he worked with a lot of others to bring the story up to speed. The prequels he wrote pretty much on his own and he was surrounded by yes-men that told him how great he was. The bones are maybe there for an interesting idea, but there are so many things wrong with it that it just doesn't work. JarJar is just the most glaring example of the tone deafness throughout the prequels. And it isn't really that they are "bad" movies - bad movies are genuinely unwatchable and these aren't quite that - just that they are mediocre movies that would have faded away had they not been "Star Wars" movies.

I will say this though - time has shown (for me) that the Phantom Menace isn't the worst of the prequels. Attack of the Clones is terrible in way more ways than Phantom Menace - and the things I thought were good about it weren't really very good at all.

Put the spoiler tag on, kid...it's only been out 12 days

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I am thrilled at the idea of a Star Wars movie that doesn't revolve around a friggin' Death Star / Starkiller / Moon-pooper. (Episode VIII perhaps?)

@mshanson3121 - the Phantom Menace. I got to watch it a bunch as my daughter went through her prequel phase. Those movies are bad not because of the over-reliance on CGI, though that doesn't help - but because the story/writing/dialog is so bad. @lockedoutlogic hit it exactly on the head. Lucas' had lots of great ideas, but the OT he worked with a lot of others to bring the story up to speed. The prequels he wrote pretty much on his own and he was surrounded by yes-men that told him how great he was. The bones are maybe there for an interesting idea, but there are so many things wrong with it that it just doesn't work. JarJar is just the most glaring example of the tone deafness throughout the prequels. And it isn't really that they are "bad" movies - bad movies are genuinely unwatchable and these aren't quite that - just that they are mediocre movies that would have faded away had they not been "Star Wars" movies.

I will say this though - time has shown (for me) that the Phantom Menace isn't the worst of the prequels. Attack of the Clones is terrible in way more ways than Phantom Menace - and the things I thought were good about it weren't really very good at all.

If they didn't fade simply because they had Star Wars on them...they still are in fact awful movies.

If Ralph Lauren made ugly/awful plaid pants that were too tight (he often did)...then they were in fact ugly ash pants...the fact the label got people to buy them changes nothing.

I remember when I got the VHS of ep 1 (if you'll recall, lucas refused DVD intitially because he said it wasn't the "ultimate digital format")...first day. I watched it - desperate to be proven wrong about what I saw. Sufficive to say...I watched maybe 50 minutes...walked to the top of a large building...and ejected it like a halo jump into a dumpster below. 100% true story.

B. A. D.

and it wasn't the cgi...which was also cartoonish and bad. It was awful dialogue and the horrible acting/directing. Just plain bad.

But I agree that ep 2 was even worse. The acting and "love story" was almost written like an SNL spoof. Laughter would have been appropriate if it hadn't been so offensive for being produced as a Star Wars.

What lucas did was this: the original movies didn't play like kids crap. Even if that was his goal. They were endearing to all ages and had enough nuance (especially empire) to be somewhat "intelligent". That's why they stuck...that's why they never let us go. It was worth BILLIONS to him.

So then he comes out in 99...produces no story, dim witted, experimentational cgi crap and tells us "you're wrong...I'll do what I want". It was like being slapped in the face with a wet fish. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We thought he was stubborn...but in 02 and 05 he proved that he couldn't do it. His idea for the style and characters was all wrong...and there are behind the scenes clips of him insisting to keep things that don't work.

The clip of them just after watching the final cut of ep 1 is classic...they all know it's a wreck...but he eventually says "I ain't paying more...it's too late to change it" (paraphrased)

Which is code for: i have hasbro pumping out 50 million units of this crap.

JJ Abrams...not as offensively...kinda went that way too. He decided he wanted to pay homage to the old stuff - but unlike R1 he changed everything - and decided that what we love about the stories isn't good enough. So he's gonna go "new approach" while sticking to a predetermined outcome.
It's a little robotic.

Disney didn't promote R1 very aggressively and the buzz was it didn't work. It works perfectly! It is a fun movie that makes you want to live it/see it again. That is exactly what 1977 was. An escape and a breath of fresh air that has legs in your mind.

TFA is flat...and it's a reboot...and they did some silly things long term. Why rename the empire? Why change all the armor? Why muddle the good guys and not give the backstory? And then Death Star 3.0: the eco friendly hybrid model. What I don't blame him for is that fisher and ford didn't look like the character. They waited 10-15 years too long and that was Lucas's fault there...

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

Saw it for the second time last night. Liked it even better. My little sister and her fiance saw it for their first time and they both loved it.

I think my favorite part was watching the guy in front of me absolutely lose his ****. It started when the Alliance fleet shows up and he just kept throwing his hands up as if to say 'YES YES YES'. I thought he was going to fall out of his seat during the last few minutes.

My parents are going to see it tomorrow. I think this is the first movie my dad has seen in theaters in probably 10+ years. My dad was the original SW fan in my family so I can't wait to see what he thinks.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Saw it for the second time last night. Liked it even better. My little sister and her fiance saw it for their first time and they both loved it.

I think my favorite part was watching the guy in front of me absolutely lose his ****. It started when the Alliance fleet shows up and he just kept throwing his hands up as if to say 'YES YES YES'. I thought he was going to fall out of his seat during the last few minutes.

My parents are going to see it tomorrow. I think this is the first movie my dad has seen in theaters in probably 10+ years. My dad was the original SW fan in my family so I can't wait to see what he thinks.

^^^*100% to all of this ^^^^

I keep saying that it's better the second time to everyone that will listen.

What stood out was the dialogue the second go...it was good. Like definitely best second only to empire. And the acting is a lot stronger as well.

Chirrut is right up there with the puppet yoda, Akbar, and the original emperor as my favorites of all time.

 

[rteetz]

Carrie Fisher has passed away...

 

[Princess Minnie of Disney]

Such sad news today. I can now never watch any Star Wars movie (except the prequels) without tears. Carrie Fisher was such an icon and amazing person.

 

[Madonna3]

We saw it Christmas Day. It was sad, BUT I think it was a necessary fill and for that I am grateful because I gained so much insight into the Star Wars saga.

I don't read book so I only have the movies to go by. My husband on the other hand reads everything and even he thought it was a necessary gap fill.

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

We saw it Christmas Day. It was sad, BUT I think it was a necessary fill and for that I am grateful because I gained so much insight into the Star Wars saga.

I don't read book so I only have the movies to go by. My husband on the other hand reads everything and even he thought it was a necessary gap fill.

Yep, and it didn't feel like they were adding stuff just for the sake of adding it. Everything that happened was like an 'oh yeah, that makes so much sense' moment. Lots of people had ragged on the Death Star having that exhaust port weakness, and this movie totally corrected that in an organic fashion that made sense and didn't feel contrived at all.

It also makes total sense now about Luke getting an x wing in ANH. I mean, yeah, Biggs vouched for his ability to fly small land crap like the sky hoppers. But no way they kick someone out of an x wing so Luke can fly. Now it seems it was a situation where they probably had more x wings than pilots because they lost so many pilots (I assume they had a few back up x wings or ones that were broken at the time).