Retirement......pensions?

Not one bit. Not only did they not suffer any consequences for raiding the pension funds, I firmly believe that our current Gov has gone out of his way to vilify and blame the entire states budget crisis on the teachers.

Like I said, I can fully understand how p.o ed the teachers are, especially those who are planning on retiring soon. These people paid into their pension plans, they did not get a vote on whether or not these elected officials should use the money to plug holes in the budget. Now their only recourse is to sue and have the states higher courts force the Gov to put the money back into the pension.

as dvcgirl said, the next 10 years will be interesting.

Like Eliza, my fellow Joizy girl says....of course those Governors didn't suffer any consequences. Nor did the state legislature that voted for those changes to the pension plans. It's the "kick the can down the road" game we've been playing for years and years.

And let me be clear. Not every state is in the pickle that New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, California and Illinois are in....some states, albeit a very small minority, have their act together. Usually they are smaller states or states like Alaska that are wealthy thanks to commodities.

So, I''m not trying to be Chicken Little here. I don't think that the world is coming to an end. I'm not buying Gold, Ammo, Guns and Rice. But I'm saving like mad.

I love my state. I've lived in California and Florida, but New Jersey is my home. California though....that was a great place to live for awhile in my late 20s :).

But we are in a deep pile of pooh in New Jersey.

And listen, I'm not even going to stand here on a soap box and judge these state legislators. Most of them make next to nothing for their effort. And they have really tough decisions to make. Like..."we don't have the money to fund A, B, and C. And "A" is Charity Care for poor people needing medical care, "B" is for pre-school programs for kids in urban areas so their parents can work (as they can't afford child care), and "C" is replenishing the beaches with tons and tons of sand after they've been walloped by Nor'Easter after Nor'Easter.

These aren't easy decisions to make. But the *really* tough decisions to make are...."we can't meet our payroll obligations". Meaning....state workers won't get paid, retirees won't get their pensions checks....on and on. So what do they do?

They raid the pension funds....and even worse, they don't contribute to the fund for an entire fiscal year....making the problem infinitely worse. I don't think the pension fund in this state has been funded in the last few years. All that money that the state workers and teacher pay in....goes somewhere else. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if I was one of those people....knowing *my* money was going elsewhere.

And how do they try to make up for the underfunding of these pensions plans? They bring in some "hedge fund" money manager who then tries to make up the shortfall by selling billions in bonds.....investing it in the market in say.....2006, and we all know what happened after that. This is essentially taking a cash advance on your credit card and buying individual stocks. Not exactly a great idea.

There's been a lot of gambling going on with the taxpayers money in my state. And everyone on Wall St. gets a piece of the pie. Where do you think that this money is invested? And do you think that those investment houses are offering their investment services for free? Of course not. It's a cash cow for them.

The Great State of New Jersey (and many others as well) are going to have to get used to getting by with far fewer services.

It's not like we haven't had similar issues in the past, albeit not nearly as severe. We've weathered recessions before.

But as we've said a zillion times on this board. This time really is different. Tax revenues are going to be down for years....not months. We're in this for another 6-7 years....of slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment. This is a straight up balance sheet recession. Not the usual "excess inventory" gig we see with average recessions.

The Muni bond defaults are coming....it's just a matter of time. And then you have to wonder if the Feds are going to let California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut or Illinois default on their debt. Right now there's no appetite at all for any more bail outs. But, the Feds won't let that happen. They can't.

I've always been a personal finance junkie...but got serious about reading into the serious issues with the states and Fed Government with respect to entitlement programs about 10 years ago.

What the financial crisis of 2008-present has done is moved that timetable up....in a big way.

You want the *good* news. Europe is in worse shape than we are....

I'm just incredibly thankful that my parents are the last of a dying breed....my father and FIL were employees who received gold watches and rock-solid pensions and are enjoying really sweet retirement years. One thing that motivates my DH and I to save so much...is to be able to leave a large nest egg to our 6, 5, and 4 year old niece and nephews.....because they are surely going to need it.
 
Like Eliza, my fellow Joizy girl says....of course those Governors didn't suffer any consequences. Nor did the state legislature that voted for those changes to the pension plans. It's the "kick the can down the road" game we've been playing for years and years.


So, I''m not trying to be Chicken Little here. I don't think that the world is coming to an end. I'm not buying Gold, Ammo, Guns and Rice. But I'm saving like mad.

I love my state. I've lived in California and Florida, but New Jersey is my home. California though....that was a great place to live for awhile in my late 20s :).

But we are in a deep pile of pooh in New Jersey.

And listen, I'm not even going to stand here on a soap box and judge these state legislators. Most of them make next to nothing for their effort. And they have really tough decisions to make. Like..."we don't have the money to fund A, B, and C. And "A" is Charity Care for poor people needing medical care, "B" is for pre-school programs for kids in urban areas so their parents can work (as they can't afford child care), and "C" is replenishing the beaches with tons and tons of sand after they've been walloped by Nor'Easter after Nor'Easter.

These aren't easy decisions to make. But the *really* tough decisions to make are...."we can't meet our payroll obligations". Meaning....state workers won't get paid, retirees won't get their pensions checks....on and on. So what do they do?

They raid the pension funds....and even worse, they don't contribute to the fund for an entire fiscal year....making the problem infinitely worse. I don't think the pension fund in this state has been funded in the last few years. All that money that the state workers and teacher pay in....goes somewhere else. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if I was one of those people....knowing *my* money was going elsewhere.

And how do they try to make up for the underfunding of these pensions plans? They bring in some "hedge fund" money manager who then tries to make up the shortfall by selling billions in bonds.....investing it in the market in say.....2006, and we all know what happened after that. This is essentially taking a cash advance on your credit card and buying individual stocks. Not exactly a great idea.

There's been a lot of gambling going on with the taxpayers money in my state. And everyone on Wall St. gets a piece of the pie. Where do you think that this money is invested? And do you think that those investment houses are offering their investment services for free? Of course not. It's a cash cow for them.

The Great State of New Jersey (and many others as well) are going to have to get used to getting by with far fewer services.

It's not like we haven't had similar issues in the past, albeit not nearly as severe. We've weathered recessions before. But as we've said a zillion times on this board. This time really is different. Tax revenues are going to be down for years....not months. We're in this for another 6-7 years....of slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment. This is a straight up balance sheet recession. Not the usual "excess inventory" gig we see with average recessions.

The Muni bond defaults are coming....it's just a matter of time. And then you have to wonder if the Feds are going to let California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut or Illinois default on their debt. Right now there's no appetite at all for any more bail outs. But, the Feds won't let that happen. They can't.

I've always been a personal finance junkie...but got serious about reading into the serious issues with the states and Fed Government with respect to entitlement programs about 10 years ago.

What the financial crisis of 2008-present has done is moved that timetable up....in a big way.

You want the *good* news. Europe is in worse shape than we are.... I'm just incredibly thankful that my parents are the last of a dying breed....my father and FIL were employees who received gold watches and rock-solid pensions and are enjoying really sweet retirement years. One thing that motivates my DH and I to save so much...is to be able to leave a large nest egg to our 6, 5, and 4 year old niece and nephews.....because they are surely going to need it.

:lmao::thumbsup2

What a great post DVCgirl.

Totally agree. I love Jersey. It's a wonderful state. I'm probably more optimistic than you!! I've never brought into "The country is going to hell" mentality. The country is changing and we need to change. We've lived la vida loca with a serious entitlement problem for the last 30 years.

You know I'm a late comer to personal finance game, my big regret is that I did "waste" some good earning years (all of my twenties). Now I don't regret the things I did but I was definitely a "live for the moment" gal and if I had a do over I probably would maybe "tapered" back a little.

I think the bigger gift you give your nieces and nephews is not just a big nest egg but more importantly "knowledge". They see you and learn by example. They see you and think "hummm, I can enjoy my life and live within my means". They see you and dh and say "hey I can have fun on a vacation and still put some money in the bank".

And believe me when you work with young adult girls who have 1,800 dollar LV purses but not a dime in savings, that knowledge puts them waay ahead of the curve.

Gotta admire those pesky Europeans though. I spent a week in paris and in Lisbon last month. They know they are in financial do-do and they are still so darn happy. C'est la Vie
 
You know, getting back to the OPs original question.....as the thread went off on a tangent about pensions and the issues with the states.

And you may have already answered this question, as I haven't read the whole thread, but there are a bunch of factors that you need to consider when calculating how much *you* should be saving for retirement.

If you're 22 years old and have 40+ working years in front of you, the percentage of income that you'd need to save and invest is far lower than someone in their 40s or 50s just getting started.

Starting in your early 20s, you can get away with 10-15% of your gross income. But if you're in your 40s, it's 25%, 50s....at least a third, possibly more. And still, you're going to need Social Security to be there for you (and I think it will be...but not as it exists today).

But if you're 22 years old and intend to stick your money under the mattress (or today's equivalent.....a Money Market Fund), you're going to need to save more than that 10-15% because you need to see at least an 8% return on your money to meet your goals. And that "goal" is usually to replace about 80% of your income at retirement (with the help of Social Security).

So, there are a lot of factors to consider.

The best money you can spend is to find a "Fee Only" Financial Planner. This is a FP who isn't trying to sell you any financial products. They just look at your financial situation and help you map out a plan. Typically you'll spend $300-$500 for this service, but it's well worth the money.

You can find one who serves your area here...

www.napfa.org

Good luck!
 
You know, getting back to the OPs original question.....as the thread went off on a tangent about pensions and the issues with the states.

And you may have already answered this question, as I haven't read the whole thread, but there are a bunch of factors that you need to consider when calculating how much *you* should be saving for retirement.

If you're 22 years old and have 40+ working years in front of you, the percentage of income that you'd need to save and invest is far lower than someone in their 40s or 50s just getting started.

Starting in your early 20s, you can get away with 10-15% of your gross income. But if you're in your 40s, it's 25%, 50s....at least a third, possibly more. And still, you're going to need Social Security to be there for you (and I think it will be...but not as it exists today).

But if you're 22 years old and intend to stick your money under the mattress (or today's equivalent.....a Money Market Fund), you're going to need to save more than that 10-15% because you need to see at least an 8% return on your money to meet your goals. And that "goal" is usually to replace about 80% of your income at retirement (with the help of Social Security).

So, there are a lot of factors to consider.

The best money you can spend is to find a "Fee Only" Financial Planner. This is a FP who isn't trying to sell you any financial products. They just look at your financial situation and help you map out a plan. Typically you'll spend $300-$500 for this service, but it's well worth the money.
You can find one who serves your area here...

www.napfa.org

Good luck!

Please, if any of you do anything, take this advice right here. Go speak to a financial planner who charges you a fee for his services. Stay away from one who gets paid for the services he gets you to purchase.

If you are someone who is reading this thread because you do not feel comfortabel with your retirement funding, you've taken the first step! I learned at a young age because my deadbeat aunt and uncle drained my grandparents out of their pensions, leaving them little to live on.

Compound interest is your friend. Earning interest on money that was interest on your money is really amazing! Sure, a regular savings account doesn't pay much in interest right now, but you can still put your money away into other savings vehicles that pay a better percentage. Leave it alone and it will grow! The more money you put in there, the more money you'll earn on it. You don't need high risk investments, just sock that money away.

For me, the savings goal I had was to generate enough interest income to live on without having to touch my capital. That's my magic number to shoot for.

If it takes one person working to pay the bills, while the other works to fund the retirement, so be it. That's how we did it.
 

I don't have a pension I am only 24 though so most my age don't.

I put 7% in my 401K. Company matches 4 1/2% so total of 11.5% of my salary per year. This is fully vested as soon as I get it.

In addition since I don't have a pension my company puts 3% each year in my account at the end of the year that will be vested in 3 years. This is to make up for not having a pension like the older workers that are there now. They give us the money but we have to manage it.

So if I don't leave the company for three years after that year I get a total of 14.5% into my account.
 
DH has a pension with a utility company that he worked for many years ago. It should still be healthy at this point and hopefully will remain so. Otherwise, we'll be on our own.
 
I will have to read all the pages when I have more time.
just wanted to check back in. thanks for all the responses:)
I was just curious because my dh has a pension. he gets it at 20 yrs on the job.
he also has deferred comp that he puts into. I have been mostly a sahm, just working very part time, and I don't save any of it, and I know I should
I am thinking of starting to participate in my company's 401K. I should have been all along even though I only work pt.
dh coming up on his 20 yrs just got me to thinking about it.
 
DH and I both have 401(k)s - mine @ 10% (no match), and his at 10% (with a match, I think).

I have a pension from a former job - I got vested about a month before getting laid off after working there for 9 years. I've debated about pulling the money out now, but the amount I'd get now vs how much I'm promised when I retire is a HUGE difference (I'm only 38), so I'm willing to wait. I figure that the pension will just be "fun money" - over an above whatever we need to live.

I don't plan on SS being around to support me when we retire. Once we get rid of our debts (car payments and mortgage only), we plan on jacking up our contributions...
 
I have a pension from a former job - I got vested about a month before getting laid off after working there for 9 years. I've debated about pulling the money out now, but the amount I'd get now vs how much I'm promised when I retire is a HUGE difference (I'm only 38), so I'm willing to wait. I figure that the pension will just be "fun money" - over an above whatever we need to live.

Do a future value of money calculation (you can find a calculator on the internet for that). That HUGE difference is probably just the time value of money. Solve for the interest rate. If the interest rate is over 12% - leave it where it is. If its less than 8% - grab it. If its in between, I'd keep an eye on your former employer and move it if it gets touchy.
 
There is a on-site financial advisor at my husband's work place. We went to see him the other day as to how to save for retirement.

He suggested, for us, a couple in early 30s without debt, 15% of annual houshold income should be saved into retirement. This 15% should not include any employee match. The investment should be about 65% stock, 20% bond, an 15% MM (I might be a little off with the percentage here.)

My husband was only saving 5% before the talk. We wanted to save more, but we feel the "don't count employer match rule" is too conservative. As my husband's employer contributes 9%, we increase the % to 10% through various retirement accounts. So we will be contributing 19% into retirement from now on with employer match, 10% without.

I will start to work soon, I will contribute 6% myself and get 3% match. I will also save addtion 5-10%, but in a regular saving to establish a big emergency fund. We currently has a 4-month-income emergency fund. I want to increase that to six to eight month. Once I reach that goal, I will pay off extra principal on our housing mortgage.

Also, the financial advisor told me the priority to use your money, from highest to lowest, goes like this:

1. Pay off debt, including credit cards, student loans, car loans. Does not include mortgage.

2. save for retirement.

3. save for kids' college if we want to

4. pay off mortgage

5. seeking investment opportunity (rental property, stocks, etc. )
 
I max out my 401K and IRA, it's like 46% of my pay. My company gives me another 6% and I have a $3500 pension that I don't know how to access or when I even get it.
 
do you have a pension you will get from your job when you retire? or are you funding your retirement completely on your own?

I belong to ASRS

how much do you put toward that retirement fund per week or month or whatever?
not looking for a dollar amount but a percent.
like do you put 5% of your gross income?

just curious.

this year, our contributions will be about 11%
 


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