Response to my Email

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When the June hours came out, like many here, I hit the roof and then hit the keyboard and wrote an email to Disney. Today, someone called me in response to that email.

It was a very nice woman who tried to explain to me how they set their operating and that they probably wouldn't change for my June trip (6/19-6/25). She then explained to me that, as if I didn't know, that the closing hours for my time slot were 8, 9, or 10. She explained to me that they base their operating hours on last year's attendance and resort reservations.

I politely listened to the "party propaganda" and then I had my say. I told I've had it with Disney and I'm not alone. The early closing times cut into my Disney experience and enjoyment. On the nights when the MK is going to have both FITS and Spectromagic, it is going to be a zoo. When BB and TL close at 6PM instead of 7:30PM the way they have the last 2 or 3 years, it cuts into my enjoyment. When Disney offers 1 Fantasmic show per night, instead of 2 as they've done for years, it becomes a nightmare of bodies.

I also told her that I will not be renewing our AP's because the cut in operating hours cuts down on the value of those passes. I'm tired of paying more for less. I told her if Disney is seeing a decline in attendance, they should be doing things to revive attendance, not take advantage of the one's who've already planned, and paid, for their trips and to stop blaming 9/11, SARS, the alignment of the planets, etc. Universal Studios, IOA, Cedar Point, etc. have all had declining attendance. Disney is the only one to cut operating hours. I also asked her what the hours were going to be in September, and she told me that hasn't been decided. I told her I rest my case and US/IOA have posted their hours through 12/03.

She politely told me she would pass my comments onto management and I told her to pass this on. Not only will we not be renewing our AP's, but this will be our last trip to Disney until we see real changes. Through their own actions, Disney lost another loyal customer and I told her I'm not alone.

*end of phone conversation*
 
Even though I have little faith in your comments actually making it to anybody who really cares and will do something about it, we can hope that they do.

When enough people vacation elsewhere and refuse to renew their AP's, maybe Disney will finally see the light and reverse the trend of reduced hours and service.
 
"that the closing hours for my time slot were 8, 9, or 10."

"Universal Studios, IOA, Cedar Point, etc. have all had declining attendance. Disney is the only one to cut operating hours. "

The USF parks (studios and IOA) close at 8 or 9 during your time slot. Cedar Point closes at 10 (11 on Sat.) during your time slot (of course, Cedar Point is only open during the summer). Magic Mountain closes at 10 every night during your time slot. Six Flags Atlanta closes at 9 every night during your time slot except for 10 on Saturday. Six Flags Louisville closes at 8, 9, or 10 during your time slot. Paramount's Kings Island closes at 10 every night and 11 on Saturday during your time slot. Knots Berry Farm closes at 8 every night, and 10 on the Saturday night. Astroworld closes at 9, and 10 on the Saturday night. Bush Gardens Tampa closes at 7 the first part of your time slot, 10:30 the rest. I can't get the hours for Six Flag's Great Adventure. Bush Gardens Williamsburg closes at 10 each night. Sea World Orlando closes at 10. Six Flags Fiesta Texas closes at 9. Dollywood closes at 8. Kennywood has no set closing time; determined daily depending upon weather and crowd conditions (boy that would really drive people around here nuts). Holidayworld is open to 7 each night and 8 on Saturday during your time slot. Michigan Adventure closes at 8 each night. Camp Snoopy in the mall of america closes at 8:30, 9:30, and 10 on the Saturday. Schitterbahn closes at 8 each night. DCA closes at 9 each night.

So...I would think that Paramount's King's Island and Cedar Point tied for the champion of hours during your time slot (of course, they are only open in the summer), closing at 10 each night and 11 on the Saturday night...but not so fast my friend....the winner is:

DISNEYLAND closing at 11 each night.
 
>>that the closing hours for my time slot were 8, 9, or 10."<

Concerning my time slot , in the interest of full disclosure, on Friday 6/20, the MK closes at 7PM but for an extra few shekels ($22 or $23), I can can stay until 10PM because Disney has scheduled an E-night.

>>>"Universal Studios, IOA, Cedar Point, etc. have all had declining attendance. Disney is the only one to cut operating hours. "<<<

>>>The USF parks (studios and IOA) close at 8 or 9 during your time slot. Cedar Point closes at 10 (11 on Sat.) during your time slot (of course, Cedar Point is only open during the summer). Magic Mountain closes at 10 every night during your time slot. Six Flags Atlanta closes at 9 every night during your time slot except for 10 on Saturday. Six Flags Louisville closes at 8, 9, or 10 during your time slot. Paramount's Kings Island closes at 10 every night and 11 on Saturday during your time slot. Knots Berry Farm closes at 8 every night, and 10 on the Saturday night. Astroworld closes at 9, and 10 on the Saturday night. Bush Gardens Tampa closes at 7 the first part of your time slot, 10:30 the rest. I can't get the hours for Six Flag's Great Adventure. Bush Gardens Williamsburg closes at 10 each night. Sea World Orlando closes at 10. Six Flags Fiesta Texas closes at 9. Dollywood closes at 8. Kennywood has no set closing time; determined daily depending upon weather and crowd conditions (boy that would really drive people around here nuts). Holidayworld is open to 7 each night and 8 on Saturday during your time slot. Michigan Adventure closes at 8 each night. Camp Snoopy in the mall of america closes at 8:30, 9:30, and 10 on the Saturday. Schitterbahn closes at 8 each night. DCA closes at 9 each night.<<<

And, I would bet every one of them (with the exception of Kennywood) has had their operating hours out for months.

>>>So...I would think that Paramount's King's Island and Cedar Point tied for the champion of hours during your time slot (of course, they are only open in the summer), closing at 10 each night and 11 on the Saturday night...but not so fast my friend....the winner is:

DISNEYLAND closing at 11 each night.<<<

Honestly, I saw this one coming. ;)

Is the reason for this the fact that Disneyland is a day park and therefore the only way Disney can make money is to keep you in the park? Since WDW is a resort, there's a built-in captive audience and there's lots of opportunities to spend money other than in the parks and they can get away with short hours?
 

Oue next DVC trip will include no parks for the first time. Maybe we will go to Sea World. We have always enjoyed the parks after dark and do not go early.
Until the hours reflect our desire to stay late, we also will not be buying an anual pass.:smooth:
 
ThAswnr you are wasting your breath and time. My wife and I had the same coplaints after 911. We went in December of that year after writing and calling about reduced hours we got the same party line asmwer from someone named Michael. After the speel I asked him since operating hours were reduced 10-25 percent depending who you asked or the location, I asked for a corresponding reduction in my pass price. I'm sure he got a good chuckle at my expense. I then shared my concers with the whole board of directors and all officers from the parks got no rresponse so no one really cares. Just my 2 cents.
 
I told her if Disney is seeing a decline in attendance, they should be doing things to revive attendance, not take advantage of the one's who've already planned, and paid, for their trips and to stop blaming 9/11, SARS, the alignment of the planets, etc.
It's a good, and fair question. Is Disney seeking a reduction in the ammount of guests to balance out the reduction of expenses?

While Disney isn't the only park who is cutting hours, they are the only one whom I've seen blame SARS, 9-11, etc for making cuts...almost like they're punishing people. Other parks are going out of their way to ignore the reduction in hours and instead focus their energies into their expansions.

My local Six Flags has had their hours available for about a month and a half now....as have other parks. And that's hours for the FULL season. Why is it Disney can only post their hours a month ahead?
 
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E-tickets are $12 each. I understand that the OP is opposed to the idea of them in general, but I wanted to make sure that the information about the cost was correct.

Did the post the June hours and then change them?
 
"My local Six Flags has had their hours available for about a month and a half now....as have other parks. And that's hours for the FULL season. Why is it Disney can only post their hours a month ahead?"


Disney planning isn't based on a season. Frankly, the they are scrambling and the reason is that they are not able to predict attendance levels with any accuracy because the pattern of associations among the variables that they use to model those predictions have changed - think about it. Let me be more clear -think about a multiple regression model or a structural equation model where you have several variables that you use to make a prediction about the outcome (attendance) and how inaccurate that model would be when the association between the predictor variables changes (as in time in booking hotels, etc.). Also, WDW planning is based more on travel than your local six flags is, wouldn't you agree, and so the heuristics for planning would be simpler and not as subject to the current sort of uncertainty among travelers. But I would agree, instead of scrambling they should set something reasonable and stick to it, even if they are off a degree or to either direction.

DR
 
>>>E-tickets are $12 each. I understand that the OP is opposed to the idea of them in general, but I wanted to make sure that the information about the cost was correct.<<<

I should clarify that when I was quoting the $22-$23 for E-tickets, I was talking about the total cost for me and my daughter. Sorry for the confusion.

>>>Did the post the June hours and then change them?<<<<

The hours for my time slot (6/19-6/24) have not changed. The MK closes at 7PM on 6/20 and then an E-night is scheduled. I'm not opposed to E-nights as long as they are like they've been in the past. An E-night for an extra 3 hours when the park closes at 11PM or 12AM is worth the money and a lot of fun.

But, this E-night scheduled for 6/20 just makes me angry. It's almost as if Disney is adding insult to injury. And, it begs the question: If Disney can keep the park open for a 3-hour E-night, why not just keep the park open until 10PM. It really PO's me that it appears as if Disney has found a cash cow in E-nights and I realize I may be connecting the dots wrong, but the appearance of squeezing an extra buck is there.

And, as I've posted before when someone asked why don't we just cancel our trips, my daughter is 9-years old and, no matter how PO'd I get at Disney this year, I would not break her heart by cancelling our trip. Any thinking individual, and especially the parents here, understand this.

As I told the Disney representative on the phone, next year is a whole different ballgame.
 
I suppose it's about time for my mandatory "last minute changes in Disney's officially posted hours have been occurring since at least May of 2001" post.

No matter how logical it sounds to say "this is because of fill-in-the-blank recent tourism nightmare," these causes all showed up after the effect, in this case.

I got about the same response to a snail-mailed letter of complaint in June 2001 as folks have posted about getting, recently (minus the 9/11, war, SARS refrain)... although at that point, they were still throwing Disney Dollars everywhere: I've got DD$100 in an envelope somewhere that I'm letting symbolically sit and rot.

Disney's problems are bigger than tourism and older than Bush the Younger's War on Terrorism.

On the bright side, you can buy a pink Disney Princesses DVD player at Circuit City, I just noticed today. Don't suppose it starts decomposing once exposed to air, do you?
 
I guess I'm looking at it from the perspective of 3 nights during your stay the MK will be open until 9pm or later (2 being week nights) and Epcot WS and MGM are both open 9pm or later during your stay. I don't know how busy June normally is or what it will be like this June, but if attendance is down those ours make some sense. And although many people don't like it - the hours can be adjusted when necessary.

Now if someone was planning on going to the MK EVERY night I could see where the hours wouldn't be optimal, but they seem reasonable to me given attendance. JMHO though.
 
I'm sorry.... but I just don't get it. I'm not trying to start a fight, or be a pain in the a$$, but I don't understand all the complaints about park hours.

Now.... to be fair... last year before our September trip, I was very upset they canceled early entry (it came back about a week after our vacation), and the short park hours. During our Sunday - Friday stay, we did not get to see Spectro at MK. But one thing we did discover is that we only spent about 1/2 of the day at any given park - then went back to the room to rest. For the life of me, I can't figure out how any person (and we were 27 & 28 Year old healthy adults) or especially a family with kids could spend from open to close at a park.

Are there really those of you that get up at 7AM to be at the gates 1/2 hour before opening... and then stay there until security is shoeing you out at the end of the night?

Are you really trying to tell me this is fun? We usually took a hour long nap every afternoon before heading back to a park.... and we were still exhausted by 9 or 10 at night. Do you really expect me to believe that a "FUN" Disney trip is 3 or 4 straight 13 hour days (figuring 9AM to 10PM)? I'm sorry... but I just don't believe it.

I guess I'm starting to really loathe all of this Anti-Disney sentiment on this board. Sure they have their problems. But I had a great time last year, and thanks to the "Fairytale Package", we're going back this year. All I can think about every day is DISNEY... DISNEY.... DISNEY. I am starting to get to the point where I can't stand to come to this board anymore and see everyone b!tching about every little detail.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh... but I'm getting fed up of folks complaining about a park closing at 9PM.... when we were there... it closed at 6PM.... and you know what..... we were gone by 3 in the afternoon.

There has to be some other folks out there that feel like I do..... isn't there????
 
Many people here including myself have been going to WDW for quite a long time. We've been seeing a gradual chipping away of services and amenities at the parks and in other portions of WDW while prices have steadily increased. If the current hours and the current state of WDW work well for you, I'm personally very happy for you. But they don't work as well for everyone.

Most of us here probably love Disney way too much. We hate to see things go downhill at least from our perspective. At least that's the impression I get from some of us.

As far as hours go, no my family doesn't go from opening to closing. However we go to a park early, leave to rest and then return to the parks for the very delightful and much cooler evening hours. But the problem is that these evening hours have gradually decreased. Spectromagic was only showing once during a week long visit we made during Spring Break. MK was so jammed on that day that it was frankly unbelievable and to say we fled was putting it mildly. I admit that I'm spoiled because Disney at one time made it so easy to enjoy such parades and to find favorite restaurants open and to also find attractions open all day and so on. Now everything has to be carefully scheduled and even then, Disney may change their minds about the hours.

They've made an expensive vacation more difficult to enjoy in my view, the question is the necessity of doing so.
 
Originally posted by CWIPPERMAN
I can't figure out how any person (and we were 27 & 28 Year old healthy adults) or especially a family with kids could spend from open to close at a park.

Are there really those of you that get up at 7AM to be at the gates 1/2 hour before opening... and then stay there until security is shoeing you out at the end of the night?

Are you really trying to tell me this is fun? We usually took a hour long nap every afternoon before heading back to a park.... and we were still exhausted by 9 or 10 at night. Do you really expect me to believe that a "FUN" Disney trip is 3 or 4 straight 13 hour days (figuring 9AM to 10PM)? I'm sorry... but I just don't believe it.

Perhaps this is why I always see so many miserable people in the parks!:smooth:
 
Originally posted by CWIPPERMAN
I'm sorry.... but I just don't get it. I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh... but I'm getting fed up of folks complaining about a park closing at 9PM.... when we were there... it closed at 6PM.... and you know what..... we were gone by 3 in the afternoon.

There has to be some other folks out there that feel like I do..... isn't there????

Try living in Alaska and vacationing in WDW. It is a MAJOR effort to fly to Orlando (12-20 hrs, depending on flights, not to mention big $$$$$).

I'm sorry, but if I'm being "negative" and complaining about a reduced standard, I think I have every right to. My family's vacation costs 2 to 3 times as much as most of you here that are wearing the rose colored glasses, and I burn a day in travel each way just to get there. When park hours are cut, it really impacts people like me. I'm sick and tired of all those who stick up for WDW and it's actions and discount what us paying customers have to say!!

No other amusement park/resort is reacting the way Disney does. Everybody is having hard times these days. 99.999999% of those places are doing all they can to ATTRACT people, not give them reasons to go elsewhere. Disney for some far fetched reason seems to think the American public is going to have a pity party for them and suddenly start staying at it's resorts and visiting it's theme parks. Well, I have news for the idiots in Burbank or wherever they live.. The word is out...WDW is NOT a place to go if you want true value for your dollar. Disney has made an art of playing off of us poor slobs who think it's OK to do anything they want. After all, it's the land of "pixie dust" and nothing can possibly be bad about that!!! Take away more hours? That's ok!!! Blame it on the big bad terrorists and 9/11!!After all, it's WDW. Where else can you get such "magic". Fireworks only one day a week? Whoopee!!! Come on folks!!! Be happy!! Be thankfull!! At least you get them once a week!! We are the happiest place on earth, suck it up, blame SARS, not us!!!

PHOOEY!!!!

I get offers in the mail all the time and I see my friends going to exotic places for half my cost of a WDW vacation and I feel ripped off when we compare notes!!

This trip is my last to WDW until things change for the better. I can spend half as much money and go elsewhere and have as good or better of a time.

When Eisner and all his bean counters and cronies, stop finding excuses and focus on providing a QUALITY product, I'll come back. Until then, I can find much more appreciative vacation destinations to spend my money at.
 
Originally posted by ThAnswr
When the June hours came out, like many here, I hit the roof and then hit the keyboard and wrote an email to Disney. Today, someone called me in response to that email.
So I'm confused as to what you are complaining about. You are upset because the Magic Kingdom is closing at 7 on one night that you are there? Or is it because they hesitated on posting their hours as quickly as you would have liked? If it is the hours thing... I don't understand why you would be upset that they are closing at 7 on ONE night. Comparing their hours to Universal, they both seem to be on par with each other, during the time that you will be there, with the exception of the one evening of the e-night. Am I off base?
 
CWIPPERMAN,

Bottom line: Disney's business has been in the crapper for years. Your stick-the-fingers-in-the-ears-and-think-Magic-thoughts approach might qualify you for a position in Disney management these days, but the thousands and thousands of people staying away from Disney parks and products aren't going to believe you that they're wrong about their own choices.

There has to be some other folks out there that feel like I do..... isn't there????

Yes, Michael Eisner feels exactly the same way as you: that if he doesn't like hearing the complaints, then the complaints couldn't possibly be about real problems.

Your solution to the issue is fine as long we only concern ourselves with what happens between your personal mouse ears. It is apparent that a significant portion of Disney's customers expected more from Disney than you did. Of course, you get to ignore that fact at your whim; Disney ignores it to the detriment of their business.
 
I disagree that most people ignore this. To me, it seems like there are a select few (and most of them seem to be visiting this particular forum lately) that are unhappy with the way things are being run.

Listen... I understand folks are upset. Like I said... last year before my trip... I was very upset that Early Entry was canceled. But after being there and experiencing the magic firsthand... I don't understand how such a minor thing can be such a major issue.

You're right... I'm not an "annual" visitor. I wasn't even planning on going back this year (but damn.... that "Fairytale Package" is too cheap to pass up). But it seems like so many people let these small issues ruin the magic for them.

It seems like some people spend so much effort complaining about little things - that they don't have time to take in "the big picture". Walt Disney World is still the best vacation spot (and the most popular) in the world. Universal, Vegas, New York, Hawaii... and the rest will NEVER be able to reach the level entertainment you'll get at WDW.

I just think that you're ruining your enjoyment of the whole thing by spending too much time focusing on little things.

And FYI... I am NOT a "company man". I have read enough articles and commentary to know that Eisner is not the best choice to run WDW. But, when I'm at the park, I will not waste my time thinking to myself "Damn... this ride would be better if Michael Eisner wasn't running Disney"... I'll be spending my time enjoyning myself.

It seems that all of the folks that complain about Eisner's "Micro-Managing" of WDW.... are the same ones that complain about things like Park Hours, Food Portion Size, or if the price of a ticket goes up $0.50. It seems kind of hypocritical to have this attitude.

It's "WALT DISNEY WORLD".... enjoy it for what it is... not for what you think it could be!
 
To me, it seems like there are a select few (and most of them seem to be visiting this particular forum lately) that are unhappy with the way things are being run
I'm not sure if the drop in attendance would only amount to a "select few".

It seems like some people spend so much effort complaining about little things - that they don't have time to take in "the big picture". Walt Disney World is still the best vacation spot (and the most popular) in the world. Universal, Vegas, New York, Hawaii... and the rest will NEVER be able to reach the level entertainment you'll get at WDW
The little things are all part of the big picture, in other words they all add up to the whole. Losing many small things and many other small things becoming worn or inferior do affect the big picture. As far as those places you listed not being able to reach the level of entertainment at WDW, that is a subjective opinion only and at one time I would have agreed with you. I still believe that WDW is at the top and could be the best again but right now, I feel like it's even with some destinations in terms of value and fun. Again, a subjective opinion. :)

Once again, I'm very pleased for you that WDW is still so good in your eyes. That's a good feeling and I hope that you hang on to it.
 












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