Researching student loans, wow my head is spinning. Any info?

I worked at Sallie Mae a LONG time ago (as in over 15 years ago). At that time, companies who serviced student loans HAD to follow certain rules from the government. If you didn't and the person defaulted on their loan, the government would not pay the money to the servicer. One of the rules was that if a borrower was behind on their loans, the servicer had to call them twice a month. It was very strict. Again, that was over 15 years ago. I really don't know what the rules are now. I don't even know if student loans are still guaranteed by the government.

As for financial aid offices at colleges/universities, they aren't allowed to make recommendations to families for loans. It is up to each family to research. Families all have different needs and what's good for one isn't necessarily good for another.

I work at a university. We recently had a presentation explaining student loans, the repayment process, etc. Do you know how many students attended? 5. A few thousand attend school here, but only 5 came to the workshop.

One of the best things that a high school student can do, but most don't want to, is spend their 1st 2 years at a community college. I wouldn't do it blindly. I would have the student work with the community college and with the university where they'd like to spend their last 2 years to make sure that all of the credits will transfer. It costs almost $30k a year to attend school where I work and that doesn't even count boarding. That's $120k for 4 years, and lots of students take longer than 4 years to graduate. Then they want to be social workers (which is a much-needed job that takes a special person) maybe where I live pays $25k a year. How are they ever going to pay off those student loans??

So many students attend a 4 year college because they want to continue playing whatever sport that they played in high school. They don't research careers to see what salaries are, to see if they can pay back their loans. A nearby community college has a yearly tuition of about $7k. Spending their first 2 years there drastically cuts down on tuition.

It is very difficult to see kids attending college that might not be able to afford the bills when they graduate. Some parents make their kids go to college. The kid goofs off all semester and has to leave at the end. When I think of the money that the parents/student wasted, I get so sad. Some parents want to be able to tell others that their kid is going to (insert name) college, rather than the local community college.

In my opinion, which doesn't count for anything, college financial aid workshops need to be done at the high school level. High schools should be bringing in speakers to education seniors and their parents about the different options.

I don't mean to upset anyone and I apologize if I did.
 
^Moomduck1 you are absolutely right in all that you have posted. It is a travesty the number of parents and students who are clueless about the whole college process, payments and all. I am fortune to be in a school district that takes the time to educate high school parents every year on the process of going to college. At my DD17 orientation for college next year there was a family that didn't even know about the FAFSA, it was after March 15th so I'm not sure they would even get anything filing after that date. Op College Confidential is a message board on all things college it is a great resource. Click around the financial aid section. Also this book is a great read, get it from your library http://www.amazon.com/Paying-Colleg...w+to+pay+for+college+without+going+broke+2016.

My kids are going to school close to home that they got merit aid and federal loans. We have 529s that will pay about one year of college for each of them. They also took post secondary classes in high school to get a year of college done free. Unfortunately, you need to educate yourself on the whole college process when your kids are in middle school, not a few months before they are set to go to college. We need to do a better job of getting that fact out there for future families.
 
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^Moomduck1 you are absolutely right in all that you have posted. It is a travesty the number of parents and students who are clueless about the whole college process, payments and all. I am fortune to be in a school district that takes the time to educate high school parents every year on the process of going to college. At my DD17 orientation for college next year there was a family that didn't even know about the FAFSA, it was after March 15th so I'm not sure they would even get anything filing after that date. Op College Confidential is a message board on all things college it is a great resource. Click around the financial aid section. Also this book is a great read, get it from your library http://www.amazon.com/Paying-Colleg...w+to+pay+for+college+without+going+broke+2016.

My kids are going to school close to home that they got merit aid and federal loans. We have 529s that will pay about one year of college for each of them. They also took post secondary classes in high school to get a year of college done free. Unfortunately, you need to educate yourself on the whole college process when your kids are in middle school, not a few months before they are set to go to college. We need to do a better job of getting that fact out there for future families.
 
My daughter went to Pharmacy school in Boston so on top of tuition, we paid $1500.00 a month in rent for a small studio apartment. She came out with her doctorate in Pharmacy along with a combination of over $249,000.00 in student loans (both subsidized and unsubsidized along with Parent Plus). Our loans started out with Sallie Mae and are now serviced by Navient. Her loan payments are over $3500.00 a month but thank God she has a good job making 6 figures so she is able to handle the payments but I really feel sorry for the grads who come out with tons of student loan debt and are barely able to survive. I think that it is a shame that we can't help out our students more since my daughters interest rate goes from 6% to 7.25% when you can get a home equity loan for a lot cheaper. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. We also had a 529 but never anticipated her going to a 6 year program and in Boston no less so we didn't save nearly enough and to top it off, my husband lost his job her 1st year of college but we still didn't qualify for too much student aid. She did do work study for her spending money.
 

I heard about this program and Penn State has one but here's the thing that concerns me. My daughter starts next year so we will have two in school, what happens if, God forbid my husband loses his job and then we have to take out of the 401(k) or the 529 to support us while we get out of our house & other entanglements. If I don't have a home-equity loan the equity in the home could be a useful resource in the event of a catastrophic situation so that's where my head is, I am fearful of overextending ourselves in a short window. What I would like to do is get into a multi year term loan as a buffer just in case and pay it off swiftly with money we would be spending on other things as we collapse the household finances for a while. Seriously the prices are dizzyingly high and I am trying to be as sure footed as possible.

The 529 can only be used for qualified education expenses, so not only should that money be going to your children's college costs, it would be hugely detrimental to you financially if you have to pay the penalty for using it on non-qualified spending.

The bottom line is this - the single best thing you can do for your children is guide them to school that you (and they) can actually afford - for most people that is 2 yr community college/transfer to state school or an affordable state-school tuition. College costs have changed dramatically and it's plainly true that a 4-year private school is not a good investment in most cases.

Trying to find private loans for your children should be the 100% last thing you do.
 
What would be ideal would be for my kids to be able to take out loans in their names that we would pay as long as we are able to do so. Trouble is I'm frankly not seeing anything where people want to loan to my kids they all would rather have a piece of me and my husband

Yeah, no one is going to do that. Your kids, at this point in their lives, have no assets and no real ability to pay back loans.
 
I worked at Sallie Mae a LONG time ago (as in over 15 years ago). At that time, companies who serviced student loans HAD to follow certain rules from the government. If you didn't and the person defaulted on their loan, the government would not pay the money to the servicer. One of the rules was that if a borrower was behind on their loans, the servicer had to call them twice a month. It was very strict. Again, that was over 15 years ago. I really don't know what the rules are now. I don't even know if student loans are still guaranteed by the government.

As for financial aid offices at colleges/universities, they aren't allowed to make recommendations to families for loans. It is up to each family to research. Families all have different needs and what's good for one isn't necessarily good for another.

I work at a university. We recently had a presentation explaining student loans, the repayment process, etc. Do you know how many students attended? 5. A few thousand attend school here, but only 5 came to the workshop.

One of the best things that a high school student can do, but most don't want to, is spend their 1st 2 years at a community college. I wouldn't do it blindly. I would have the student work with the community college and with the university where they'd like to spend their last 2 years to make sure that all of the credits will transfer. It costs almost $30k a year to attend school where I work and that doesn't even count boarding. That's $120k for 4 years, and lots of students take longer than 4 years to graduate. Then they want to be social workers (which is a much-needed job that takes a special person) maybe where I live pays $25k a year. How are they ever going to pay off those student loans??

So many students attend a 4 year college because they want to continue playing whatever sport that they played in high school. They don't research careers to see what salaries are, to see if they can pay back their loans. A nearby community college has a yearly tuition of about $7k. Spending their first 2 years there drastically cuts down on tuition.

It is very difficult to see kids attending college that might not be able to afford the bills when they graduate. Some parents make their kids go to college. The kid goofs off all semester and has to leave at the end. When I think of the money that the parents/student wasted, I get so sad. Some parents want to be able to tell others that their kid is going to (insert name) college, rather than the local community college.

In my opinion, which doesn't count for anything, college financial aid workshops need to be done at the high school level. High schools should be bringing in speakers to education seniors and their parents about the different options.

I don't mean to upset anyone and I apologize if I did.

Good advice -you didn't upset me at all I have been having the same conversations with my kids for years. The one and only reason I am willing to pay Penn State is because of the alumni association's reach which is legendary in the Northeast & because my kids are looking at lucrative careers. I'm not particularly brand conscious so I would not support my kids just for the sake of saying they were going to a fancy school and I would also not support them if I didn't think they could do the work and they both know I have to have access to the grades and I will pull them out as soon as I see a problem.

I agree with you that the financial education has to start earlier but to be honest I've been actively seeking out information for about two years and nobody wants to talk to you until you've done fafsa and schools didn't want to talk to me until my kid got i and schools didn't want to talk to me until my kid got it in. Seriously I started calling Penn State last year and all they kept telling me was how premature I was- so frustrating on this side too. From what I understand there are financial counselors but everyone I know Who paid for it said it was a scam.
 
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so I bought a bunch of books and read them all by Christmas but now with summer course and fall course deadlines looming my head is swimming in info and I'm very confused. A friend told me Sallie Mae was wonderful, her son went to a reasonably priced school and for each semester they paid 1/2 cash and the other half over the rest of the year. It seems these can be in the students name, which we would pay but it would give some much needed buffer room. The only one mentioned by the Penn State financial aid person was Parent Plus but these have a higher interest rate and a origination fee, no personal reviews from anyone so I don't know what to think. usaa seems to have some too and then there is home equity but that feels like a bad step

I went to a small school so I didn't have any loans and no experience at all other than what I see in the news. Gadzooks, I am feeling overwhelmed and under informed so any input would make me very grateful - no idea what I am doing SOS

If you are really just looking to defer your payments over the year most schools have a system set up with a nominal fee of maybe $50 you can pay tuition over a period of 10 months instead of all at once. If you couldn't make these payments using your income/savings then you would need to take out loans.

As PPs mentioned, the financial aid office should be able to help you with this.

Also, check nearby libraries or local high schools for college financial planning sessions. While they might not be offered right in your town you can usually find one within a reasonable driving radius around this time and they are often free when offered at high schools or libraries.
 
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Yeah, no one is going to do that. Your kids, at this point in their lives, have no assets and no real ability to pay back loans.
Except student loans are never dischargable. They will follow the kids until they pay them off or die.
 
My daughter went to Pharmacy school in Boston so on top of tuition, we paid $1500.00 a month in rent for a small studio apartment. She came out with her doctorate in Pharmacy along with a combination of over $249,000.00 in student loans (both subsidized and unsubsidized along with Parent Plus). Our loans started out with Sallie Mae and are now serviced by Navient. Her loan payments are over $3500.00 a month but thank God she has a good job making 6 figures so she is able to handle the payments but I really feel sorry for the grads who come out with tons of student loan debt and are barely able to survive. I think that it is a shame that we can't help out our students more since my daughters interest rate goes from 6% to 7.25% when you can get a home equity loan for a lot cheaper. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. We also had a 529 but never anticipated her going to a 6 year program and in Boston no less so we didn't save nearly enough and to top it off, my husband lost his job her 1st year of college but we still didn't qualify for too much student aid. She did do work study for her spending money.

That's a lot of money, your daughter is fortunate that she picked a solid career; I am forever harping on my children to be pragmatic with their choice. If they truly deeply love something indulgent it can be a double major or associates (I got one of my associates from Shakespeare classes I adored) but the main job is to provide for themselves and that's final, if we are paying. My kids may or may not go to grad school but I've told them that part is on them and if they are smart they should take jobs at organizations in cities with good schools where the employer will pay for it. I can't do more than suggest so I guess we will see how that unfolds. For now I am just trying to blindly piece together a workable plan with maximum flexibility & it's been a bananas process
 
The 529 can only be used for qualified education expenses, so not only should that money be going to your children's college costs, it would be hugely detrimental to you financially if you have to pay the penalty for using it on non-qualified spending.

The bottom line is this - the single best thing you can do for your children is guide them to school that you (and they) can actually afford - for most people that is 2 yr community college/transfer to state school or an affordable state-school tuition. College costs have changed dramatically and it's plainly true that a 4-year private school is not a good investment in most cases.

Trying to find private loans for your children should be the 100% last thing you do.

It's not that we can't afford it, it's more that the whole outlay for 2 kids is such a giant sum that it could jeopardize our stability so I am trying to hedge with buffers. So hopefully the loans will actually be unnecessary but who knows what life holds.

The reason I'm looking for loans is to hedge the uncertainty, so many people I know overextended themselves with mortgages that when things went south financially they couldn't refi so they ended up insolvent. I imagine student loans might go the same way & since it's nearly impossible to find money when you need to from strain so I think its better to do it up front

I'm being cautious because there is a possibility we may be stuck with these loans forever so just trying to make good choices.
 
If you are doing Penn State, it seems 60% of students do the 2+2 plan...which would help alleviate the board costs for a PA resident. If you go this route, you are looking at needing $18K/kid for years 1-2 and then (if they have to board) $30K/kids for years 3-4 if you are a PA resident. So, a ballpark $100K/kid if you receive no discount on tuition (through merit or need aid).

I don't know what you have saved, nor what years your child needs to go to school (although I think it's soon). Since student loans are pretty much non-dischargable and come with high rates/fees (if unsubsidized), that's probably the least desireable path to fund the education if you are planning to help. But, I don't want to really recommend anything until I know more (like how much you make/aka how much grant aid you might qualify for, how much you want to pay toward the $100K, how much you have saved up already, how much free money you have in your budget already, if your child works a part time or summer job, if your child is willing to take a gap year to save up, etc)...
 
These are the loan limits the students can borrow in their name only from the Federal Gov't with no co-signer = $27,000 for 4 years
https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/loans/subsidized-unsubsidized#how-much

The following chart shows the annual and aggregate limits for subsidized and unsubsidized loans.

Year

Dependent Students (except students whose parents are unable to obtain PLUS Loans

First-Year Undergraduate Annual Loan Limit

$5,500—No more than $3,500 of this amount may be in subsidized loans.


Second-Year Undergraduate Annual Loan Limit

$6,500—No more than $4,500 of this amount may be in subsidized loans.


Third-Year and Beyond Undergraduate Annual Loan Limit

$7,500—No more than $5,500 of this amount may be in subsidized loans.
 
I thought I saw one of the loan types can be for kids

There is one that you can get from the government for students - but you need to qualify for it with your FAFSA and only if the parents don't qualify for a PLUS loan.
 
There is a Perkins Loan but your daughter is not likely to qualify if she doesn't qualify for Subsidized Stafford loans. The Perkins is for the highest need based students. The Financial Aid office can award higher Stafford loan amounts IF the parents cannot qualify for a PLUS loan in certain circumstances. It doesn't sound like that would apply to your case either.
 
There is a Perkins Loan but your daughter is not likely to qualify if she doesn't qualify for Subsidized Stafford loans. The Perkins is for the highest need based students. The Financial Aid office can award higher Stafford loan amounts IF the parents cannot qualify for a PLUS loan in certain circumstances. It doesn't sound like that would apply to your case either.

No, there will be no support for us but don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. The thing is I'd like to be solvent at the end of the balloon that is college and it seems that if I'm not careful things can go very very badly when we are most vulnerable
 

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