PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[Cfabar1]

I think the market for folks lining up to buy $30k timeshares for one specific Disney Property that already own $30k Disney timeshares at other properties is likely a niche market... to put it kindly...

I have no doubt that sales have picked up for the guides, but I also don't get the sense this is selling super quickly, and I fully admit I could be wrong.

Informed buyers, which would be the ones right now, would at least want to take pause over the:
- room allocations
- points chart
- lack of 2023 points in December UY (when other UY will give you them right now)

 

[atthebeachclub]

I think the market for folks lining up to buy $30k timeshares for one specific Disney Property that already own $30k Disney timeshares at other properties is likely a niche market... to put it kindly...

I have no doubt that sales have picked up for the guides, but I also don't get the sense this is selling super quickly, and I fully admit I could be wrong.

Informed buyers, which would be the ones right now, would at least want to take pause over the:
- room allocations
- points chart
- lack of 2023 points in December UY (when other UY will give you them right now)

I asked my Guide (I switched to a good one now, too) about room allocation and he said he hasn’t been made aware the breakdown of how many of each view types exist for room types yet. Do we know how many standard/preferred/theme park view etc exist for each room type?

 

[aka Charles]

Everything you said makes sense but (especially if you don't get a FW) you can achieve all your goals by buying PVB resale and either (i) save on the budget and become a Poly owner sooner or (ii) get more points for the same budget.

I thought about resale, but I would be booking a full week in December and want a standard view.

I agree with you and many others that standard view rooms will be in short supply and fill up quickly, especially for high demand times around the holidays.

I know that getting a FW direct contract comes with a points premium (10%) and a price per point premium (of course).

The points premium is a non-factor to me, as it is still less points than would be needed to book the next higher view normally.

For example - A Week 51 FW Standard View Deluxe Studio is 266 points, but if I had to book the same week in a Preferred View Deluxe Studio because standard view was already booked up, it would take 291 points.
That's 25 more points to be maybe one floor higher and still not guaranteed, as TPV may be the only ones left available (346 points).

Also, I do not want to go through the frustration of trying to walk a reservation into December.
It's not worth it.

A FW contract solves these issues for a small 10% points premium.

It will probably be many years before any FW Island Tower contracts show up on the resale market, and probably not for the week I want (lol), so for now Direct is the only FW option.

So, in the above example, I am left with the options of either getting a 300-350 point resale contract (enough to book a preferred or TPV if needed) or a 266 point direct FW contract, with the villa I want locked in.

At current asking prices (I just checked DVC Resale Market), the difference between a 300 point resale and a 266 point direct is about $3500.
That puts the 266 point direct contract only 6.5% more expensive than the 300 point resale contract, and with less dues per year.

The peace of mind over the coming years is worth more than that $3500 to me.

Everyone's situation, needs and desires are different, but these of some of the ones that I have been looking at for me and my family.

All of my vacation plans are set though 2025, so I am in no hurry yet.
I plan to take the next year or so to make sure everything lines up for this purchase.
I will be monitoring any new offers, both direct and resale, along the way, and if something special pops up, I may jump on it.

Until then, I will still be going over to get a DoleWhip and a drink or two at Trader Sam's every chance I get !!!
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Update---

Actually, If you include closing costs and fees, the price difference in the example is only about $900.

See screenshots below.



And, YES, I know there are differences in what you are paying for in the above contracts.
The resale contract requires you pay the 2025 dues if it closes in December while the direct contract does not. (at least not as shown)
The direct contract includes 2024 points, while the resale contract does not.
I think they kind of cancel each other out, but that is just one way to look at it.

Regardless, these are the actual total prices you would have to pay right now to purchase either of these contracts.
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[disneylandtour]

I think the market for folks lining up to buy $30k timeshares for one specific Disney Property that already own $30k Disney timeshares at other properties is likely a niche market... to put it kindly...

I have no doubt that sales have picked up for the guides, but I also don't get the sense this is selling super quickly, and I fully admit I could be wrong.

Informed buyers, which would be the ones right now, would at least want to take pause over the:
- room allocations
- points chart
- lack of 2023 points in December UY (when other UY will give you them right now)

I think this is the problem. There are a handful of current DVC owners who will add on at high point numbers. But the majority of add-on contracts are more like $10k or $15k for 60 or 75 points, which is still a chunk of money for most people. Disney has essentially said, we're only discounting points for whales right now, which I think may turn out to have been a very, very bad strategy. But we'll see. I could be wrong. Disney largely targets the middle to upper middle class--and this promotional strategy specifically leaves them out.

 

[Lorana]

A bungalow is available. Maybe an add on for just that one night and also cross it off the bucket list and don’t worry about the tower at all!

One night in a Bungalow will not help your points hunger games desires. Once you stay in one, you will find yourself trying to figure out how many points you need for a longer stay.

Not that I'm speaking from experience or anything (though for me it was the CCV Cabins and AKV Grand Villas that did me in).

 

[Lorana]

If this helps, on the last day of a trip--when I'm packing up--I make a list on iCal (calendar) with everything I need to bring next time (mostly to replace items that have been used in my Owner's Locker). The list sits there on iCal. I can add to it later if I want. And I have two alerts to send me notifications one and two days before my next trip. The notifications have really helped. This past week, when I was getting ready to go, I had a pop-up, which included two things I forgot to pack.

That's a great idea!

I use the owners locker dashboard, where I track everything in my locker. When we use it up or forget something or want to add something, I just delete the thing used or forgotten and add ".REPLACE - (NAME OF ITEM)" and that way all the "Replace" items show up together and the "." makes it appear at the top of the list.

What I really need is something to remind us that we have a Brita Pitcher in the fridge and the water bottle shaped ice cube trays in the freezer. I'm embarrassed to say we've had to replace both of those TWICE.

 

[MICKIMINI]

It's a very interesting position to be in! The only thing that would give me reservation would be a highly sought after Favorite Week, but if you want regular points there is no way they will dry up in a year.

The dues are a big factor especially if you won't be using the points right away. It helps with the FOMO to have options.

We'll be touring with our guide in a few weeks so, it was great to get your point of view! It gives us and our son and DIL another option in 2025. We have direct and resale, but have been anticipating this like everyone else on this thread. EPCOT area options are another possibility. Options are good, right?

Thanks again being so forward thinking!!

 

[New Mouse]

I asked my Guide (I switched to a good one now, too) about room allocation and he said he hasn’t been made aware the breakdown of how many of each view types exist for room types yet. Do we know how many standard/preferred/theme park view etc exist for each room type?

You would think people trying to sell $30k worth of stuff would have some more knowledge or at the very least initiative to get that knowledge.

 

[MICKIMINI]

@aka Charles Great breakdown...AND don't forget those bots which will scoop up all the available Poly Tower villas possible. The competition for any Poly Tower villas will be impossible IMO.

FW's are really the only defense in that regard. I don't think you can go wrong buying a FW (pick the cheapest studio, really or the week you are likely to go) to convert to regular points each year. If you ever need to resell, it should be highly desirable and differentiate those points from all the other Poly points.

 

[MyDogTink]

I thought about resale, but I would be booking a full week in December and want a standard view.

I agree with you and many others that standard view rooms will be in short supply and fill up quickly, especially for high demand times around the holidays.

I know that getting a FW direct contract comes with a points premium (10%) and a price per point premium (of course).

The points premium is a non-factor to me, as it is still less points than would be needed to book the next higher view normally.

For example - A Week 51 FW Standard View Deluxe Studio is 266 points, but if I had to book the same week in a Preferred View Deluxe Studio because standard view was already booked up, it would take 291 points.
That's 25 more points to be maybe one floor higher and still not guaranteed, as TPV may be the only ones left available (346 points).

Also, I do not want to go through the frustration of trying to walk a reservation into December.
It's not worth it.

A FW contract solves these issues for a small 10% points premium.

It will probably be many years before any FW Island Tower contracts show up on the resale market, and probably not for the week I want (lol), so for now Direct is the only FW option.

So, in the above example, I am left with the options of either getting a 300-350 point resale contract (enough to book a preferred or TPV if needed) or a 266 point direct FW contract, with the villa I want locked in.

At current asking prices (I just checked DVC Resale Market), the difference between a 300 point resale and a 266 point direct is about $3500.
That puts the 266 point direct contract only 6.5% more expensive than the 300 point resale contract, and with less dues per year.

The peace of mind over the coming years is worth more than that $3500 to me.

Everyone's situation, needs and desires are different, but these of some of the ones that I have been looking at for me and my family.

All of my vacation plans are set though 2025, so I am in no hurry yet.
I plan to take the next year or so to make sure everything lines up for this purchase.
I will be monitoring any new offers, both direct and resale, along the way, and if something special pops up, I may jump on it.

Until then, I will still be going over to get a DoleWhip and a drink or two at Trader Sam's every chance I

Update---

Actually, If you include closing costs and fees, the price difference in the example is only about $900.

See screenshots below.

Wouldn’t you get 2024 points with direct whereas this resale contract has points starting in 2025?

 

[aka Charles]

Wouldn’t you get 2024 points with direct whereas this resale contract has points starting in 2025?

Yes.

I was still editing my update when you read it, and I did add that fact.

Thanks for making sure I did not forget it, lol.
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[PolyRob]

We'll be touring with our guide in a few weeks so, it was great to get your point of view! It gives us and our son and DIL another option in 2025. We have direct and resale, but have been anticipating this like everyone else on this thread. EPCOT area options are another possibility. Options are good, right?

Thanks again being so forward thinking!!

Options are definitely good! It's nice you can tour the models, take your time, think things through, and not lose out on any points.

Of course! I will admit I personally felt torn because "opening day pricing for current members" was historically the best price... until it wasn't with VGF, DLH, CFW, etc. DVC tends to be making incentives better when sales slow so it's nice not rushing into something.

 

[CarolynFH]

When we use it up or forget something or want to add something, I just delete the thing used or forgotten and add ".REPLACE - (NAME OF ITEM)" and that way all the "Replace" items show up together and the "." makes it appear at the top of the list.

wow, I had never thought of that. Every time we’re getting ready for a trip I’ve had to review the list to find the items that I had marked as needed - but left the name in its normal position in the list. I’m going to edit my dashboard list before our next trip!

Thank you!

 

[ShaneDJ]

I will admit I personally felt torn because "opening day pricing for current members" was historically the best price... until it wasn't with VGF, DLH, CFW, etc.

Is there somewhere that shows, for sure, that DVC pricing has been better AFTER the initial sale for existing members?

I thought (??) that opening day pricing was always the lowest price to buy DVC points.

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

Is there somewhere that shows, for sure, that DVC pricing has been better AFTER the initial sale for existing members?

I thought (??) that opening day pricing was always the lowest price to buy DVC points.

No one knows what Disney will do. It would be fabulous if they have a Poly fire sale a la VGF, but I think they can sell Poly high and if it doesn’t sell fast they can enjoy cash bookings. Disney can have its cake and eat it too with Poly.

 

[Xalthon]

How do incentives compare on DCL cruise? Do they offer anything extra on top of regular incentives?

 

[DanCali]

I thought about resale, but I would be booking a full week in December and want a standard view.

I agree with you and many others that standard view rooms will be in short supply and fill up quickly, especially for high demand times around the holidays.

I know that getting a FW direct contract comes with a points premium (10%) and a price per point premium (of course).

The points premium is a non-factor to me, as it is still less points than would be needed to book the next higher view normally.

For example - A Week 51 FW Standard View Deluxe Studio is 266 points, but if I had to book the same week in a Preferred View Deluxe Studio because standard view was already booked up, it would take 291 points.
That's 25 more points to be maybe one floor higher and still not guaranteed, as TPV may be the only ones left available (346 points).

Also, I do not want to go through the frustration of trying to walk a reservation into December.
It's not worth it.

A FW contract solves these issues for a small 10% points premium.

It will probably be many years before any FW Island Tower contracts show up on the resale market, and probably not for the week I want (lol), so for now Direct is the only FW option.

So, in the above example, I am left with the options of either getting a 300-350 point resale contract (enough to book a preferred or TPV if needed) or a 266 point direct FW contract, with the villa I want locked in.

At current asking prices (I just checked DVC Resale Market), the difference between a 300 point resale and a 266 point direct is about $3500.
That puts the 266 point direct contract only 6.5% more expensive than the 300 point resale contract, and with less dues per year.

The peace of mind over the coming years is worth more than that $3500 to me.

Everyone's situation, needs and desires are different, but these of some of the ones that I have been looking at for me and my family.

All of my vacation plans are set though 2025, so I am in no hurry yet.
I plan to take the next year or so to make sure everything lines up for this purchase.
I will be monitoring any new offers, both direct and resale, along the way, and if something special pops up, I may jump on it.

Until then, I will still be going over to get a DoleWhip and a drink or two at Trader Sam's every chance I get !!!
.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Update---

Actually, If you include closing costs and fees, the price difference in the example is only about $900.

See screenshots below.

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And, YES, I know there are differences in what you are paying for in the above contracts.
The resale contract requires you pay the 2025 dues if it closes in December while the direct contract does not. (at least not as shown)
The direct contract includes 2024 points, while the resale contract does not.
I think they kind of cancel each other out, but that is just one way to look at it.

Regardless, these are the actual total prices you would have to pay right now to purchase either of these contracts.
.

Convenience is definitely worth extra. But is there a savings amount that would change your mind?

I'll just say that if resale is a serious consideration, don't fall for the "trap" of thinking asking price matters, especially on a 300 point contract where the pool of potential buyers is limited. The couple of sellers advertising 300pt contracts in the mid to high $170s have had those listing up for 3-5 months. They may be happy to take an offer in the low $150s or even in the $140s. So if you save an extra $25/pt and the difference is now $11,000 does that change anything?

Ultimately it's about what's best for you and your family. But it's possible and even likely the resale savings are substantially more than $3500. If it's a consideration, it doesn't cost to make an offer that would also be attractive to you and see what happens.

 

[ShaneDJ]

How do incentives compare on DCL cruise? Do they offer anything extra on top of regular incentives?

There are no DCL incentives for Poly Tower.

I was on a Disney cruise on October 1st, when the Poly Tower first went on sale and incentives were announced, and the DVC guide on the DCL cruise said that there were no additional incentives while on a Disney cruise.

There were additional incentives for other non-Poly resorts (if you purchased during the cruise). But no cruise incentives for purchasing Poly Tower.

 

[New Mouse]

There are no DCL incentives for Poly Tower.

I was on a Disney cruise on October 1st, when the Poly Tower first went on sale and incentives were announced, and the DVC guide on the DCL cruise said that there were no additional incentives while on a Disney cruise.

There were additional incentives for other non-Poly resorts (if you purchased during the cruise). But no cruise incentives for purchasing Poly Tower.

Seems like DVC is way overplaying their hand on poly tower sales.

 

[ehh]

There are no DCL incentives for Poly Tower.

I was on a Disney cruise on October 1st, when the Poly Tower first went on sale and incentives were announced, and the DVC guide on the DCL cruise said that there were no additional incentives while on a Disney cruise.

There were additional incentives for other non-Poly resorts (if you purchased during the cruise). But no cruise incentives for purchasing Poly Tower.

This has me curious...when was the last time there were addtional incentives while on a cruise?

I was on a DCL cruise in August and there were no additional incentives then. And if memory serves, the last time DCL did have additional incentives was pre-Welcome Home (I assume because the DCL cruise could be construed as the Welcome Home qualifying trip).