PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[aka Charles]

Convenience is definitely worth extra. But is there a savings amount that would change your mind?

I'll just say that if resale is a serious consideration, don't fall for the "trap" of thinking asking price matters, especially on a 300 point contract where the pool of potential buyers is limited. The couple of sellers advertising 300pt contracts in the mid to high $170s have had those listing up for 3-5 months. They may be happy to take an offer in the low $150s or even in the $140s. So if you save an extra $25/pt and the difference is now $11,000 does that change anything?

Ultimately it's about what's best for you and your family. But it's possible and even likely the resale savings are substantially more than $3500. If it's a consideration, it doesn't cost to make an offer that would also be attractive to you and see what happens.

I have been down the resale road a few times, both buying and selling, and I fully understand asking price/offer negotiations.
Right now Poly resale is inflated and sellers have not been budging very much.
Even the instant sale prices are a bit high.
This is why I said I would be watching both direct and resale offers/prices over the next year or so.
I have time and I do not need to buy now, or even a year from now, unless the deal is right.
I still feel a FW would be best for my needs, but who knows what deal may come my way.
I am just going to have to be patient. (easier said than done, lol)
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[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

This has me curious...when was the last time there were addtional incentives while on a cruise?

I was on a DCL cruise in August and there were no additional incentives then. And if memory serves, the last time DCL did have additional incentives was pre-Welcome Home (I assume because the DCL cruise could be construed as the Welcome Home qualifying trip).

We got an extra $1k onboard incentive in Jan of 2023. Not sure if anybody else has a more recent experience. When we sailed in August (Magic) or September (Dream), they were extending the Visa offer even though it had been discontinued, but I can’t recall which one it was.

 

[NicoleBold]

I think any room size standard view is going to be rough—but I also don’t understand why anybody wants standard or preferred tower over longhouses (once the new tower lure is gone) unless they really like the dishwasher.

Makes total sense to me. I’d probably pay up for a gorgeous view over the lake but don’t want to pay a preferred premium to be on the 4th floor staring at a golf And I can’t afford the 1br points!

This is kinda my last hurdle. I love the longhouses and standard view is just fine by us! I don’t think I’ll struggle to get longhouses at 11 months (don’t prove me wrong!) I want new points for the 1br and 2br when we need those.
I asked this question in a fb group a while ago… what do we think about the standard views at the tower. I don’t think I want it. Especially over the longhouses. TP view is out of my budget on a regular basis and absolutely out of budget for a FW.
I’m pretty sure I’ve settled on the number of points that will get me a 1br theme park view for my next trip, with borrowing. It will be enough to get that same thing every two years for all of my preferred seasons! I also have other poly points for smaller trips or off years as well as VGF points (my SAP’s). Sounds like I’m set?

That number is 167. I’ll probably just get 175, HOWEVER, one of the FW std studios I was considering was 176 points.

I’m torn between 150 & 25 or a FW that I may or may not use? Probably leaning toward the two contracts.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I think this is the problem. There are a handful of current DVC owners who will add on at high point numbers. But the majority of add-on contracts are more like $10k or $15k for 60 or 75 points, which is still a chunk of money for most people. Disney has essentially said, we're only discounting points for whales right now, which I think may turn out to have been a very, very bad strategy. But we'll see. I could be wrong. Disney largely targets the middle to upper middle class--and this promotional strategy specifically leaves them out.

When have they ever discounted for amounts smaller than 100?

I have never seen it.

I think you are misreading the situation.

 

[aka Charles]

That number is 167. I’ll probably just get 175, HOWEVER, one of the FW std studios I was considering was 176 points.

I’m torn between 150 & 25 or a FW that I may or may not use? Probably leaning toward the two contracts.

If the FW you are considering is for a holiday week, like Thanksgiving or Halloween, I would suggest getting that.
Otherwise the two regular contracts would be fine and give you some flexibility.
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[NicoleBold]

Does “Jersey week” count as a holiday? In a few years it actually includes Halloween.

 

[disneylandtour]

Does “Jersey week” count as a holiday? In a few years it actually includes Halloween.

When have they ever discounted for amounts smaller than 100?

I have never seen it.

I think you are misreading the situation.

You are correct, the developer's credit is almost always at 100 or more. I think Aulani had some minor developer's credits for 50 to 100. But yes, presently it's 100. But there have been other discounts/incentives that have been used under 150 at times. And at 150, it's meager.

 

[Sandisw]

You are correct, the developer's credit is almost always at 100 or more. I think Aulani had some minor developer's credits for 50 to 100. But yes, presently it's 100. But there have been other discounts/incentives that have been used under 150 at times. And at 150, it's meager.

No question they started low with incentives. I think they based it on al the excitement built up and figured they’d be able to capture for the first few months those buying no matter what.

 

[Electron_si]

We currently own 150 direct at RR and 200 poly resale. I’d like to end up at 500 total but I don’t really see the IT direct math making sense right now unless you are buying a FW. I think we might wait a year or two for resale to come back down knowing we can book the tower with those points.

Also we are sailing on our first DCL cruise in May so I need to see if we are going to start making that a regular thing. It might push off points buying another few years.

 

[PolyRob]

Is there somewhere that shows, for sure, that DVC pricing has been better AFTER the initial sale for existing members?

I thought (??) that opening day pricing was always the lowest price to buy DVC points.

There are so many factors that go into the pricing between developer credit tiers, promotions like Welcome Home, Magical Beginnings, Disney Visa, DCL, etc and what points you actually get based on UY that there isn't one resource that shows the price and if it was better afterward. I know for me personally 150 points at VGF2/Big Pine Key during current member pricing on day one was more expensive than the summer sale last year even before Magical Beginnings. I posted about it here: https://www.disboards.com/threads/b...y-new-dvc-resort-direct.3931436/post-65081155

I have a friend who purchased DLH on day one as a current member and sold back her first UY with Magical Beginnings, but with other promotions she could have received a better deal and still sold back the same points.

Cabins started with very minimal discounts, but had some boosts in the 150+ point range afterward.

Nothing is a guarantee, but it seems like it's happened with every resort over the past 2/3 years. Not saying it has to happen with Poly Island Tower, but after this initial rush dies down Disney may want to get creative to push some Poly points. Riviera and VGF proved whichever resort was incentivized more sold better. Base price won't ever go down, but the out of pocket cost to the owner could after incentives.

Disney never sold more than one or two DVC resorts at a time and you can currently select from five. It seems like "DVC 2.0" may be operating a little differently.

 

[jennypenny]

Does “Jersey week” count as a holiday? In a few years it actually includes Halloween.

We have a fixed week that often coincides with Jersey week. It's a nightmare to book because it can also include the F&W half marathon. I'm so glad we have a fixed week because the standard views disappear right at 11 months and there are obviously many walkers for a variety of rooms.

 

[Lorana]

This has me curious...when was the last time there were addtional incentives while on a cruise?

I was on a DCL cruise in August and there were no additional incentives then. And if memory serves, the last time DCL did have additional incentives was pre-Welcome Home (I assume because the DCL cruise could be construed as the Welcome Home qualifying trip).

They did have additional inventors in the members only sailing of the Magic to Lighthouse Point in June. With Magical Beginnings, 150pts was $171, $166pp for 200 and $157pp for 250 at RIV. Only slightly better than direct once the VISA promo was added, but at the time it was definitely better as the visa promo wasn’t active then. I had desperately hoped the visa promo could be applied, but no luck!

 

[Einstein509]

Looked at the latest contruction pics. Holy cow, that is one tiny pool for a whole lot more people. I imagine the main pool will be even more crazy than it already is......and the water cloudier.

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

Looked at the latest contruction pics. Holy cow, that is one tiny pool for a whole lot more people. I imagine the main pool will be even more crazy than it already is......and the water cloudier.

Is it smaller than the bay lake tower pool? The tower has slightly less rooms so I was expecting around that size

 

[maui22]

Disney never sold more than one or two DVC resorts at a time and you can currently select from five.

Liked everything else about your post. For clarity, wanted to point out the two resorts at a time hasn’t been true.

Adding this so others realize DVC has ebbed and flowed like the tide in the 15 years I have owned. (Wiser people know details from earlier and my memory may play tricks on me so hopefully others correct anything I get wrong).

In 2009, four resorts/additions opened. IIRC, the order of openings by month were AKV Kidani, SSR THV, BLT, and VGC. Disney was selling all four prior to opening and for some period of time after. On top of adding these, 2007-2009 Great Recession resulted in tons of foreclosures on SSR and AKV, so Disney had far more points to sell at these two properties than just the expansions.

Fire sales happened. VGC as low as $85/pt . It sold out first being a very small resort. BLT sold out next and I recall it could be bought for as low as $91/pt direct I believe AKV was next to sell out. With SSR being last of the four. There was no magical buyback or similar program back then.

Adding context to avoid the thread delving it SSR bashing. Realize it was very popular when it was first added and @tjkraz used to mention it sold the first couple phases faster than any other resort.

 

[EM Lawrence]

I agree the latest pictures make the pool look TINY, smaller than the pool I have in my back yard. But I'm hoping its just a bad angle!

 

[tjkraz]

Adding context to avoid the thread delving it SSR bashing. Realize it was very popular when it was first added and @tjkraz used to mention it sold the first couple phases faster than any other resort.

I don’t think there was much sales tracking back in 2003. And I doubt that SSR sold faster than BCV a couple years earlier. Riviera sold extremely well for a year before the pandemic hit.

But yeah, it’s interesting to see how DVC’s sales approach changed over the years. Through 2007 they were riding pretty high, with Kidani, VGC, BLT, Treehouses and Aulani all scheduled to open within about a 2 year span. Then the recession left them with a lot of inventory, in part thanks to massive competition from resale.

They gradually shifted to higher prices and smaller ~300 room resorts they could sell-out faster.

Now they’re bulking up again. Despite their unpopularity here, the resale restrictions and limiting perks to direct purchase must be working on many levels. 15 years ago, the ability to buy AKV or SSR resale really hurt damaged sales. Today, there doesn’t seem to be nearly as much concern about selling Riviera for 5 years or Aulani for 10+, not when those unsold rooms are being rented to cash guests.

 

[emchen]

Now, if they sold some points deeded to the longhouses or bungalows, those would be available for immediate use.

I noticed in the FW sales sheet, longhouse deluxe studios.

What if they did sell inventory from longhouse studios? Since they existed in 2023, would a buyer get ‘23 points in the scenario above?

 

[Sandisw]

I noticed in the FW sales sheet, longhouse deluxe studios.

What if they did sell inventory from longhouse studios? Since they existed in 2023, would a buyer get ‘23 points in the scenario above?

Yes, for a Dec UY, but they are not selling anything to the current units. Thst chart shows all options because it is for the resort. That chart is not what is available to buy

Currently, they are only selling FW to the tower. Rememger, DVD can sell no more than 35% in any one given use day in a room, but they can cap that lower if they choose.

 

[Electron_si]

Just to confirm are the Poly IT room tours available at Disney Springs or the SSR preview center?