Pro Choice or Not

[Ariel Mae]

Right but if there is a standoff, then someone has to have the final say. Who gets it if they cannot agree? You cannot force people to agree, can you?

And why should a man get an equal say in what happens to a woman's body?

Why should a man get an equal say in what happens to a woman's body? Because, in the terms of a fetus/child, the male helped to create it. His sperm 'mated' with the egg..and, voila, creationism, at it's best. It takes two to create a child. Why shouldn't he get a say in the case of abortion, the case of something HE helped create?

And as for the first question...as I said, there's no sure way of knowing how that situation would turn out.

Its okay to have an opinion that does not pan out in reality, but then just say so, ie "in a perfect world the man and woman would come to a mutual decision."

So, what, only one opinion is acceptable? If and only if it pans out based on...who's view? And I'm not expecting a perfect world, so why would I say that?

And I'm not trying to debunk it, I just don't see how you can have complete equality in this decision.

Psst, I never said you were debunking my view.

I never said it was about equality, but an equal opportunity, an equal say. It's more about having a say over standing to the side.

 

[Ariel Mae]

Oh, come on, I had this long, beautiful post, and it didn't show!

I'm sorry, Chobie, I'll have my response later. I have to rewrite it, le grr.

 

[chobie]

Why should a man get an equal say in what happens to a woman's body? Because, in the terms of a fetus/child, the male helped to create it. His sperm 'mated' with the egg..and, voila, creationism, at it's best. It takes two to create a child. Why shouldn't he get a say in the case of abortion, the case of something HE helped create?

Because its not his body that has to gestate the baby. It's not his physical health at risk. That is why he should not get equal say. It is not equal no matter how you try to make it.

 

[declansdad]

So your saying a man can should have ownership over a woman's body as long as she is carrying part of his DNA?

No I'm saying there has to some type of agreement. Otherwise, the man says keep the child, the woman says no - abortion. The man says abort, the woman says no - no abortion. Therefore, the person who had an equal part in creating the child has no say.

 

[declansdad]

It should be taken into consideration of course, but the woman still makes the final decision.

The purpose of an abortion is to remove the embryo from the woman's body, not to have someone else raise it. After a baby is born, the father absolutely should have the right to raise the child.

If the father man helped create the baby he should have a say in what happens.

 

[crz4mm2]

Pro Choice all the way.
Female by the way.

 

[kristinleigh]

I am a woman and pro-life! When I was 6 weeks pregnant with my oldest child and saw her little heart beating on that ultrasound screen, it brought tears to my eyes thinking about what a miracle it was that this little person was growing inside me. I think all women who go to have an abortion should have an ultrasound before they make their final decision.

 

[chobie]

No I'm saying there has to some type of agreement. Otherwise, the man says keep the child, the woman says no - abortion. The man says abort, the woman says no - no abortion. Therefore, the person who had an equal part in creating the child has no say.

Therefore the person who does not bear the physical risks has no say .

But anyway, if they do not come to agreement, who decides?

 

[Ariel Mae]

Because its not his body that has to gestate the baby. It's not his physical health at risk. That is why he should not get equal say. It is not equal no matter how you try to make it.

It's not just the health risk that I look into, but the mental effects on both the mother and the creator. His body may not feel the effects, but how would, say, you feel if you were the male in hand, and your spouse went off and had an abortion without notifying you, 'killing' something you helped create? Why are we looking at this as just a physical health issue on the state of the mother, especially when there's two to tango, sperm and egg. It's his sperm, and I, viewpoint personal, say he has a say.

 

[Kath2003]

Female, pro-choice.

 

[JoiseyMom]

Pro-life ... I'm a woman. I just don't understand how a woman who has had children could be pro- abortion.

I have given birth to 4 children. And I am pro-choice. I believe every women in the situation of an un-planned pregnancy has the right to CHOOSE.

As an intelligent college educated person, I don't understand why people feel it is their right to make other people live by their standards, and do things they way and only the way they do things.

 

[Kath2003]

I don't necessarily agree in abortion in the majority of cases. However, I don't think my morals define another person's options.

 

[chobie]

It's not just the health risk that I look into, but the mental effects on both the mother and the creator. His body may not feel the effects, but how would, say, you feel if you were the male in hand, and your spouse went off and had an abortion without notifying you, 'killing' something you helped create? Why are we looking at this as just a physical health issue on the state of the mother, especially when there's two to tango, sperm and egg. It's his sperm, and I, viewpoint personal, say he has a say.

Becuase when it comes to the decision to have sex, its equal (except for rape of course). Whe it comes to supporting a child once it is born, it is equal. When it comes to the emotional impact of any decision made, its equal

BUT, When it comes to who has to take the pyhsical risks, loss of work, etc. its not eqaul. It's 100% the woman's burden. The sitaution is not 100% equal and therefore the decisin should not be 50-50.

So are you going to answer the question as to what happens when they cannot agree?

 

[Ariel Mae]

Becuase when it comes to the decision to have sex, its equal (except for rape of course). Whe it comes to supporting a child once it is born, it is equal. When it comes to the emotional impact of any decision made, its equal

It's an equal opportunity. Not an equal 'choice'. An equal 'say', and equal chance to have a stance.

So are you going to anser the question as to what happens when they cannot agree?

I already have. Twice, in face. Did you miss it? "Really, we can't be sure what would happen in these situations."

There. Answered thrice.

 

[JoiseyMom]

The man is involved in it if he helped create 'it', is he not? I mean, he was involved, quite directly...

When a man can get pregnant and carry a baby to term and deal with all the health risks that can happen, then he has a say. Until then, he can have an opinion, but it is ultimately the women's decision.

 

[chobie]

It's an equal opportunity. Not an equal 'choice'. An equal 'say', and equal chance to have a stance.



I already have. Twice, in face. Did you miss it? "Really, we can't be sure what would happen in these situations."

There. Answered thrice.

That's not an answer to the question. You cannot answer it because you do not want to admit that SOMEONE has to be the tiebreaker. If you admit that then you it cannot say that the decision is equal.

An answer is either, he decides, she decides, the state decides. Pick one.

 

[JoiseyMom]

The man is involved in it if he helped create 'it', is he not? I mean, he was involved, quite directly...

Should be legalize prostitution?

Yes, we should. Women would be protected from the men that profit from them, and our gov't would get all those lovely tax dollars.

 

[freckles and boo]

I am a woman and pro-life! When I was 6 weeks pregnant with my oldest child and saw her little heart beating on that ultrasound screen, it brought tears to my eyes thinking about what a miracle it was that this little person was growing inside me. I think all women who go to have an abortion should have an ultrasound before they make their final decision.

I am also a mom and I agree that seeing a child that was conceived out of love on an ultrasound is miraculous. I have also had a very sad miscarriage and I know that loss. But to force a woman who has made probably the most difficult decision of her life have an ultrasound is manipulative and cruel. You don't know why she is laying on that table so you don't know her circumstances. You aren't going to raise that unwanted child, are you? I find this type of "counseling" detestable. It is bullying of the highest order.

 

[Ariel Mae]

That's not an answer to the question. You cannot answer it because you do not want to admit that SOMEONE has to be the tiebreaker. If you admit that then you it cannot say that the decision is equal.

I'm not admitting to either situation, because you cannot know what is going to happen unless you are involved in such a situation. There is no way of knowing how it would end up, so there, in truth, in my viewpoint, is no answer. Now, quite honestly, I'm tired of repeating myself in this thread, so, that is it. That is my answer. I cannot say if there is certain a tiebreaker will be needed or not, because, quite honestly, I feel that, sometimes, a middle ground can be reached in all situations, no matter the situation, and what's stopping this from being such a situation? That's my answer. "There is no answer. You cannot be sure what is going to happen/occur."

An answer is either, he decides, she decides, the state decides. Pcick one.

Okay, now it's just becoming this 'black and white' issue, which, in my view, it's not.

I've answered. Four times, now. That's it. We're done.

 

[reeddi]

I agree with Kath 2003. I don't believe it is in my place to tell someone else what to do. I do not think Roe v Wade should be overturned and I do not think it is anyone else's BUSINESS if a woman chooses to have this done. I know two people who have had it done and it is NOT an easy choice.

The main reason I would like Roe v Wade to stand is that it can become far MORE reaching than abortion. There is now the beginnings of pharmacists being allowed to not fill presricptions for birth control pills. This is a slippery slope and needs to be left alone. Pro-Choice means exactly that pro-CHOICE. I don't want the government to tell me what I can do with my body. It could under a militant administration come to not allowing a woman to take birth control. What a woman does with her body is her business and NO ONE ELSE'S.

I am a woman and I am DEFINITELY Pro-CHOICE. By the way, I am a christian too.

Reeddi