Pro Choice or Not

What is your sex and your stance on abortion?

  • I am a woman and I would like to keep abortion legal

  • I am a woman and I would like abortions to be made illegal

  • I am a man and I would like to keep abortion legal

  • I am a man and I would like abortions to be made illegal


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Just to address this point... The number of abortions is decreasing (please see statistics I posted a little further up), due to the use of injectible contraception. When you don't ovulate, you can't get pregnant. Does that version of contraception also jive with your belief system?

Brandie

Yes, I'm not against birth control. I'm catholic so I get that its wrong according to my faith but when it comes to other people's choice to ovulate or not ovulate, I dont think its any of my business. Plus if fewer unwanted children are being conceived, all the better.
 
Yes, I'm not against birth control. I'm catholic so I get that its wrong according to my faith but when it comes to other people's choice to ovulate or not ovulate, I dont think its any of my business. Plus if fewer unwanted children are being conceived, all the better.

Cool! :thumbsup2 Glad I pointed that out, then.

Brandie
 
Oh my God, we're sliding over into consensus. :scared:
 

I am pro-life. I dont believe it is right to destroy a human being just because it is unwanted by the parent. I believe life begins at conception. Therefore, to me, killing an unborn child is not much different than killing a child after its born. When you believe that an unborn child is a living human being, abortion is not a private matter any more than domestic violence is or any other situation in which a fellow human is being harmed.

The debate is touchy because it really comes down to when you believe life starts. If you dont think life starts until after the baby is out or until some point during the pregnancy when the baby is more alive than it was earlier, than I guess I could understand why people dont think abortion should be against the law and that its a private matter.

I find it interesting that far fewer men tend to weigh in on this, convinced that it is a woman's issue. While women may carry the child, the conception required both genders and men deserve as much of a say as women to. It seems unfair to me that women can choose to keep a child then demand child support but if they choose to abort the child, the man who helped create it has no say. There's something very wrong about that.

I dont believe in standing outside of abortion clinics and screaming at the girls who go in or waving around posters with pictures of aborted fetuses on it but I do think abortion is morally wrong. I think the procedure is abused and taken way too lightly by SOME people. I also dont think that women who've had an abortion are unforgivable or anything like that, either. I'm willing to bet most of the people in this thread that are pro-choice probably havent had abortions but there are some people out there who've had three or four of them. Its unfortunate, thats all.

Unfortunately the option has to be available.....

Some people abuse things.....

The rights should not be taken away because of a small
percentage of abusers....

I think it is disgusting that some use abortion as a form of
birth control.....
But.......many people use it as necessary option for them once.....

Which is why it needs to stay legal.
Kerri
 
So why do people want abortions to be rare but still think they should be allowed? This question isnt just to you, fitswimmer but to anyone who might agree with what you said.

Well, I said I'm pro-life, but want abortion to remain legal but rare. I realize that there are a handful of circumstances that abortion would actually be the better option (ie, Jenny's situation) and I would like abortion to be legal so that women don't have to use a coat hanger or fly to Mexico to get the rare abortion. My main focus is getting to the RARE point in life.
 
So why do people want abortions to be rare but still think they should be allowed? This question isnt just to you, fitswimmer but to anyone who might agree with what you said.

In my case, it has to do with how much and what kind of power I want the government to have over me.

Take the criminal justice system - we have certain rights in this country - that the police may not enter our homes without cause, that we cannot be beaten into confessing to a crime, that our priests, doctors and lawyers cannot be compelled to divulge information about us, that we are entitled to legal representation, that we cannot be jailed indefinitely without being charged with a crime, and so on and so on.

As a result of these rights - sometimes a guilty person is not convicted and punished for that crime. And that is very upsetting. But that is the trade off - we establish guidelines about what our government can and cannot do to its citizens, and that is the consequence.

Sometimes, a citizenry is willing to cede its freedoms, because they feel the trade-off is worthwhile. Legislation is passed requiring seatbelts - an infringment on our "rights" perhaps, but one that the majority of voters consider a reasonable price to pay for increased safety.

I do not want the goverment to have the power to tell me that I must carry any and all pregnancies to term. Any more than I want the government telling me that I must let them listen to my phone conversations or turn over a list of books I have checked out of the library, or that I must allow a police officer to root through my closets without cause or a warrant.

And yes, I am aware that the trade-off for preserving that right is that a baby will not be born. Just as it is with guilty criminals going free - these are not easy choices. I just think the consequences of not making them are worse.
 
Oh my God, we're sliding over into consensus. :scared:


The universe will implode!! Dogs and Cats sleeping together!! Chaos in the streets!!

ok, panic over. If WE can discuss this issue like reasonable humans WHY in the name of all that is Holy can't the Congress???
 
female.
i believe abortion should be kept legal people will always find ways if it's made illegal and that may endanger themselves as well.
 
I am pro-choice. The mother has the choice whether or not to engage in activities that may result in procreation. Once she is impregnated, I believe that the choice is now the CHILD'S choice whether or not to be born.

Of course, it's not always that cut and dry, but I would err on the side of life over death.

In any event, I don't think abortion should be used as birth control - and I am saddened to think that it happens WAY to frequently for this reason.
 
The universe will implode!! Dogs and Cats sleeping together!! Chaos in the streets!!

ok, panic over. If WE can discuss this issue like reasonable humans WHY in the name of all that is Holy can't the Congress???


cough.pelosi.cough cough
 
I am pro-choice. The "mother" has the choice whether or not to engage in activities that may result in procreation. Once she is impregnated, I believe that the choice is now the CHILD'S choice whether or not to be born.

Of course, it's not always that cut and dry, but I would err on the side of life over death.

In any event, I don't think abortion should be used as birth control - and I am saddened to think that it happens WAY to frequently for this reason.

um that's pro-life
 
I don't know why people have abortions and I couldn't care less. Some are for very good reasons, IMO, and some are for very bad reasons, IMO. That is an issue of privacy between a woman and her doctor. No one has to justify, to you or to me, why they do what they do. I respect your privacy and everyone else's in making decisions and I expect the same courtesy. That is the essence of CHOICE. That's is what you cannot seem to grasp.


What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that I think the baby doesn't have a CHOICE. And that I don't think taking anothers life should be anyones CHOICE to make.
 
What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that I think the baby doesn't have a CHOICE. And that I don't think taking anothers life should be anyones CHOICE to make.

I get the feeling she doesn't view a first trimester embryo/fetus as a baby, therefore it's like you 2 are speaking different languages.
You will never agree on abortion because you will never agree on what a baby is
 
I get the feeling she doesn't view a first trimester embryo/fetus as a baby, therefore it's like you 2 are speaking different languages.
You will never agree on abortion because you will never agree on what a baby is


I know :guilty: .

We are like a little microcosm of society.

Jenny, I know that our religions tell us different things about that, and I sympothize wtih the horrible position you were put in, but it is just hard for me to understand how anyone who has seen a baby sucking their thumb in the womb on a screen in the first trimester can't see it as a life.
 
this shouldnt even be up for discussion... a woman has the right to choose.... period.

Matt
 
What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that I think the baby doesn't have a CHOICE. And that I don't think taking anothers life should be anyones CHOICE to make.

How do you feel about innocent lives being taken in war? Are you against capital punishment? What about choices being made in organ donation? Every time a choice is made about who receives an organ, someone else on that list that isn't chosen will probably die.

Choices are made that cost lives every day and not just in abortion clinics. If you're going to be consistent, you've got to be against them ALL. I admire folks that can hold that position, I tried and failed.
 
What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that I think the baby doesn't have a CHOICE. And that I don't think taking anothers life should be anyones CHOICE to make.

When life begins is a question of faith, not an undisputed scientific fact. I don't believe life begins at conception, and truly there is nothing that any human being could ever say to me that would change my mind in that regard.

Since I don't believe that life begins at conception, I don't consider a first trimester abortion "taking another's life".

I am guessing that you don't agree, and that there wouldn't be anything any human being could tell you that would make you change your mind, either.

Which is fine.

But in a question of faith - ie when life begins - whose opinion wins out? .
 








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