'Pregnant' man stuns medical profession

[SandraVB79]

As far as I know, changing your gender isn't based on your "body", although hormone treatment is usually always involved, as well as "top" surgery.

When you want to change your gender, you have to go through long psychologic tests/ interviews/ follow-ups. It's not that you can decide today you want to switch gender and then in 5 years decide to switch gender again. At least here it isn't that way.

I know of a case of a person who was born with a male body, but with a female "spirit". This person went through the gender swicth/ change/ whatever it is called and became a woman. Then this person fell in love with another woman, that way becoming a lesbian.
One could say: if you're going to love a woman, why not stay a man? Because in her head, she wasn't a man, but a woman, trapped in a male body, but still loving women.

It IS confusing. But IMO, it is none of my business. If they are happier this way, who am I to judge? They are happy, don't hurt anyone, they do nothing wrong. There are people in this world doing really bad things, we'd better be upset by them.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

Perhaps their "deals" are with GLBT publications, not just mainstream press. Would you still consider that pimping their fetus? ANd like tohers have already mentioned the "deals" may not be monetary in nature, but more about privacy.

Morning news shows are pretty mainstream and not a GLBT publication from what I can tell.

Again, if the deals are not monetary, then they are free to make "privacy deals" with whomever they want.

But they refused to speak to the Telegraph because they had pending "deals" with American papers. American papers don't get exclusives without money involved.

If it was privacy deals, these are just interview parameters one sets up. It does not exclude a person from speaking to other papers and setting up the same privacy conditions.

Exclusive "deals" are monetary.

 

[Aisling]

No it's the other way around--the transition was female to male.

The pregnant person was born with typically female parts. He then went through hormone surgery and top surgery to remove breast tissue. He has just stopped the hormones temporarily to go through with the pregnancy and then, I assume, will continue with the hormones.

But you are right about sensitivity to pro-nouns

Oops, I got confused!! Ok, I understand now!

 

[PghLybrt]

Morning news shows are pretty mainstream and not a GLBT publication from what I can tell.

Again, if the deals are not monetary, then they are free to make "privacy deals" with whomever they want.

But they refused to speak to the Telegraph because they had pending "deals" with American papers. American papers don't get exclusives with money involved.

If it was privacy deals, these are just interview parameters one sets up. It does not exclude a person from speaking to other papers and setting up the same privacy conditions.

Exclusive "deals" are monetary.

What morning news show did they talk to?

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

What morning news show did they talk to?

Good Morning America and ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4526582&page=1

Although GMA is just quoting the Advocate article, it is possible that this is one of the "deals" that they were speaking about. And no more speculative than people saying their "deals" are only with GLBT publications.

 

[Nikel]

What morning news show did they talk to?

I was wondering that too. I can't seem to find anything about that. Any links?

 

[Nikel]

Good Morning America and ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4526582&page=1

Am I missing something? It doesn't sound like GMA actually talked to them. From the article linked: "But The Advocate, which posted the story in its online edition, said it stands by its story even though so far the couple has refused to talk to other media."

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Good Morning America and ABC News:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4526582&page=1

No they didn't. The first line from the article.

A transgender man from Oregon says he is five months pregnant, according to gay rights magazine The Advocate.

Looks like GMA interviewed a doctor about this.

 

[PghLybrt]

That's what I thought, they did not speak to any mainstream media. It is all in the last issue of the Advocate I have sitting on my desk.

 

[Mr Man]

Most importantly, what does the poor child say when he gets home from school?

Hello "Mom/Dad", I'm home

or perhaps

Hello "caregiver of intentionally blurred and indeterminate gender", I'm home.

Either way, it makes them eligible for Father's Day and Mother's Day cards.... which is just greedy

I am generally ok with people doing what they think they need to do in such instances (even if I don't understand the rationale). Freedom of expression and all it entails after all.

I am less ok with the young child, who will have to live with their parent's decision. They will take the brunt of it I am sure. Such is life I suppose.

 

[Piglets Mommy]

So, following your reasoning, a woman who doesn't have ovaries or a uterus (anymore) isn't female anymore?

Of course not.

So if I need to have a complete hysterectomy, for whatever reason, I am no longer a woman???

I am less ok with the young child, who will have to live with their parent's decision. They will take the brunt of it I am sure. Such is life I suppose.

But all children have to deal with this...Wether they're children of gay parents, straight parents....the parent's decision in life affects the children. I think it is much better for the child to have 2 parents that love them (be it gay, straight, transgender, whatever)than to be caught up in a parent's divorce, seein them fight all the time abuse, etc. Of course any of that can happen in ANY relationship.

I say as long as the Dr's are sure that the Male hormones won't adversely affect the baby, then go for it. It sounds like this couple has tried very hard and really wants this baby.

 

[smartestnumber5]

I don't know much about selling stories to the news, but if one were primarily interested in getting money for what the mainstream press will think of as a weird situation, wouldn't it be pretty dumb to go to the Advocate first knowing that the Advocate isn't going to think it is weird at all? Now they have given away the "exclusive" interview and it's with a GLBT publication that paints their story in a positive light. How are they going to sell the "look how strange we are" angle to other news agencies now?

If they are in it for the money (Where did anyone get this idea? I guess next time I read in a magazine/newspaper about any parents who are discussing their pregnancies/children I should assume they are only having/had the kid so they could pimp it out? ) they must be pretty bad at it.

 

[Mr Man]

But all children have to deal with this...Wether they're children of gay parents, straight parents....the parent's decision in life affects the children. I think it is much better for the child to have 2 parents that love them (be it gay, straight, transgender, whatever)than to be caught up in a parent's divorce, seein them fight all the time abuse, etc. Of course any of that can happen in ANY relationship.

I say as long as the Dr's are sure that the Male hormones won't adversely affect the baby, then go for it. It sounds like this couple has tried very hard and really wants this baby.

Good point. I completely agree that having two parents that love their children is most important and traditional parents are not guaranteed to be better parents.

OTOH, having kids in elementary school personally. I can witness, those kids can be absolutely vicious. I expect something like this will send them into "Bionic Bully Overload". Might have to sedate a few of them.....

Hope it works out for the people in question. Although living in the media spotlight is likely going to make things unnecessarily difficult for all those involved IMO.

Me personally, I would have just told everyone to leave me alone (well that and walked around the house doing the pregnant beer gut thing) hehe

 

[Piglets Mommy]

I don't know much about selling stories to the news, but if one were primarily interested in getting money for what the mainstream press will think of as a weird situation, wouldn't it be pretty dumb to go to the Advocate first knowing that the Advocate isn't going to think it is weird at all? Now they have given away the "exclusive" interview and it's with a GLBT publication that paints their story in a positive light. How are they going to sell the "look how strange we are" angle to other news agencies now?

If they are in it for the money (Where did anyone get this idea? I guess next time I read in a magazine/newspaper about any parents who are discussing their pregnancies/children I should assume they are only having/had the kid so they could pimp it out? ) they must be pretty bad at it.

Good point...If they were just in it for the $$$ They probably would have gone for the Enquirer, Star, or one of the other tabloids, vs something targeted at such a specific group.

 

[Piglets Mommy]

Good point. I completely agree that having two parents that love their children is most important and traditional parents are not guaranteed to be better parents.

OTOH, having kids in elementary school personally. I can witness, those kids can be absolutely vicious. I expect something like this will send them into "Bionic Bully Overload". Might have to sedate a few of them.....

Hope it works out for the people in question. Although living in the media spotlight is likely going to make things unnecessarily difficult for all those involved IMO.

Me personally, I would have just told everyone to leave me alone (well that and walked around the house doing the pregnant beer gut thing) hehe

Yeah, the publicitiy will make it harder on this child. Hopefully by the time he/she hits school most people will have forgotten about how they were concieved. If the "Dad" goes back on testosterone, they will all look like the "traditional" Mother/Father/Child family anyway. Kids can be so mean!

LMAO on the pregnant beer gut...DH grew a "sympathy belly" with both of my pregnancies!

 

[NYBlue1]

Most importantly, what does the poor child say when he gets home from school?

Hello "Mom/Dad", I'm home

or perhaps

Hello "caregiver of intentionally blurred and indeterminate gender", I'm home.

Either way, it makes them eligible for Father's Day and Mother's Day cards.... which is just greedy

I am generally ok with people doing what they think they need to do in such instances (even if I don't understand the rationale). Freedom of expression and all it entails after all.

I am less ok with the young child, who will have to live with their parent's decision. They will take the brunt of it I am sure. Such is life I suppose.

You may be surprised at how incredibly secure , confident and well rounded kids from non conventional families really can be. Having parents that love you and support you no matter what the sex really can make more of an impact than the sex of the parents.

There are many documentaries and TV shows that have shown the life of these kids.

Kids today in schools can be a lot more open minded than adults actually. Does this depend on what area of the country one is from, sure it does.

I dont agree with this couple going public with this story because I think it brings all the bad kind of attention to LGBT families , attention that is not needed, that again is my opinion and I know that many will disagree with me.
I could certainly deal with an article, the picture, I didn't care for. Its not the time yet for something like this, again my opinion.

 

[PghLybrt]

I dont agree with this couple going public with this story because I think it brings all the bad kind of attention to LGBT families , attention that is not needed, that again is my opinion and I know that many will disagree with me.
I could certainly deal with an article, the picture, I didn't care for. Its not the time yet for something like this, again my opinion.

Yep you do have many that disagree.


I think we need to be more vocal. I think that the "mainstream" needs to see, read about, meet and understand that people like us exist out there. We are your friends , neighbors and sometimes family. The more we talk about things the more understanding it brings. We have learned, as a community, that we will never get far by hiding in the closet.

 

[teacherforhi]

Can you just answer which sex it is that has ovaries and a uterus and gives birth?

So because I don't have ovaries or a uterus and am incapable of giving birth (due to cancer), I don't get to be female anymore? I wish you had been around to explain that to me years ago...

 

[NYBlue1]

Yep you do have many that disagree.


I think we need to be more vocal. I think that the "mainstream" needs to see, read about, meet and understand that people like us exist out there. We are your friends , neighbors and sometimes family. The more we talk about things the more understanding it brings. We have learned, as a community, that we will never get far by hiding in the closet.

I agree with you 100% , I dont however think in this particular case the public is ready to see a male that is pregnant in picture form. It gives all those that think we are freaks of nature fuel for their fire. Then again I was for recognized domestic partnership on a federal level, not gay marriage. Too much too fast has a negative effect, the shove it down our throats mentality takes over.

I am thrilled for this family that they are getting to have a child, the picture, not thrilled, dont think it was necessary. Does it offend me? Not in the slightest bit, its not me or my family however that I am worried about understanding it.

OUR we the people and all created equal country is getting there, but its not there yet.

 

[Mr Man]

You may be surprised at how incredibly secure , confident and well rounded kids from non conventional families really can be. Having parents that love you and support you no matter what the sex really can make more of an impact than the sex of the parents.

There are many documentaries and TV shows that have shown the life of these kids.

Kids today in schools can be a lot more open minded than adults actually. Does this depend on what area of the country one is from, sure it does.

I dont agree with this couple going public with this story because I think it brings all the bad kind of attention to LGBT families , attention that is not needed, that again is my opinion and I know that many will disagree with me.
I could certainly deal with an article, the picture, I didn't care for. Its not the time yet for something like this, again my opinion.

DW has a co-worker she is very close with. He is gay and has 2 small children. He and his partner are excellent parents. We socialize with them often (our kids are roughly the same age and are fast friends). They did have challenges with their kids in Public School but moved them to a private school (Catholic). The kids are very comfortable there and thriving.

For the record, their kids just say they have 2 Dads. Works for them.