Possibly buying a new TV...advice needed.

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DH and I are thinking about buying a new TV for the living room. All of the TV's we have are the "old fashioned" type, so I really don't know a whole lot about the newer flat screen varieties. I'd appreciate any advice. :)

I've looked at them in various stores, and I think we would probably buy a 42" model, possibly a bit larger if the price is right. Our living room is arranged so that the farthest view would only be about 12-13'. But I'm confused on several things:

*What is the difference between LCD, LED, and Plasma? Plasma seems a lot less expensive, and LED is the most expensive. LCD is right in the middle on cost. What is the difference and benefits of the 3 types?
*What is a HDMI port, and why do I need them?
*We have a Wii, DVD player, Tivo, and a VCR. Is it going to be possible to connect that many devices to one TV? (We can only connect two right now, and have to swap them out when needed.)
*What is a refresh rate? Why is it important?
*These new TV's have bulbs, right? About how long do they last? When they burn out, how expensive is it to have them replaced?

Thanks for any help, and for any advice. :love:
 
You should get a TV with at least two HDMI HDCP compliant inputs. HDMI is the current standard for hi-def video. A hi-def DVD player (Blue-Ray) needs one and the cable or dish box (if hi-def) needs one.

There should be at least one cluster of two reds, a green, a blue, and a white jack (component video).

You may or may not need S-video (black jack) for some of your video sources but if you do there should be a yellow-red-white cluster that is not the same as the S-video plus red plus white cluster.

TV's that bulge out more than 6 inches in the back (DLP, projection) have "bulbs" the may need replacing. Real flat panel (LCD, LED, LCOS) TV's do have a "bulb" that is really a flat panel but you cannot replace it so don't worry about it.

(We can only connect two right now, and have to swap them out when needed.)
You can and definitely should get a TV with more inputs in the back to fit everything you got. (Or an "audio-video receiver" that is a separate box and that has all the input jacks you need and also higher powered audio amplifiers for larger speakers, am/fm tuner but no TV channel selector.)

LED and plasma give deeper black than LCD. You may or may not find that absolutely essential. Plasma on average consumes more electricity than the same size LCD or LED and also requires more ventilation above and around the TV. Plasma TV sets also weigh more for a given size compared with LCD.

Refresh rate is supposed to give smoother motion. Years ago, LCD tended to smear fast motion and the faster refresh seemed to improve on that.
 
LED is supposed to be the fancy new thing with brighter/better colors, good refresh rate, etc. I didn't think it was worth the cost but I'm also a grad student so what constitutes "expensive" to me is not always the case for other people.

We have an LCD. You want at least a 120 Hz refresh rate. The main issues with LCD are the colors are not quite as black as plasmas, etc. and you'll get motion blur for sports, video games, action movies etc. if you don't get a fast enough refresh rate.

On the other hand, I found plasmas had a lot of glare. If you have a space where you can control the lighting well, a plasma may work for you. We have mostly overhead lights and a lot of windows we can't put much over in our living room so we wanted to get something without glare. Your mileage may vary. Go to the store and look at the picture for lots of TVs and find what you want.

HDMI is the newest input for hi-def stuff. See on your VCR how you have three plugs, yellow, white, and red? The yellow sends the picture while the red and white send the audio. HDMI sends more information over one cable so you get better picture and sound. You will find Blu-ray players use them, XBOX 360s and Playstation 3's, and high-end computer monitors. If you have or plan on having these kind of devices, you need the inputs. But most TVs have at least 3, sometimes more so that may not be an issue for you.

What you are going to have to pay attention to is what input types your devices already have:

I guessed on your VCR because it's old so it will have the oldest type, that 3 color cable I'm talking about. That is called a COMPOSITE cable.

I don't know what kind of cable your Wii, DVD player, and Tivo have, but they will either be that three-color, or it will be split into 5 colored plugs instead of 3. That is called a COMPONENT cable. I know the Wii has an optional component cable for improved picture which we use, but I'm guessing you might just be on the built in Composite for all of your devices.

When you're looking at TV you will need to see if it has a Composite input (and a Component, if you have devices that need it). You need to buy a TV with at least one input that matches the devices you already have. If you only have one, then you can use a switcher like this one http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Composi...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1315761412&sr=1-1 to plug several devices in and then just swap which one is running to the TV by hitting a switch. It's really not good for the TV to have stuff plugged and unplugged from its ports often, so you want to invest in a cheap switcher rather than damage your multi-hundred dollar TV!

I hope that helped. Good luck!
 
I did a ton of research before we purchased our tv. I got a wide array of answers, some of them confilicting, from every source I tried.
Then I spoke to a 20 something guy who wasn't on comission and asked him to "Please just tell me what he would buy and why". He went on forever and my eyes started to glaze over..but in the end he pointed out some really key things and pointed us to a great Plasma. He knew I was prepared to spend more so I really felt he was genuine with his advice.
I have to be honest.. I am not so into my tv that I notice all of the technical differences.
We're happy with the Plasma. Picture is awesome, and the price point was great.

ETA) Our plasma is in the basement.. no large windows or bright lighting like another poster mentioned. So perhaps that has alot to do with me not noticing any glare.
 

We have a 54 inch Panasonic Viera plasma that we've had for 2 or 3 years. I did a lot of research and read all the good and bad about each of them. I shopped for awhile and got a great deal through Sears.

We felt like we got the most for our money with the plasma. We aren't electronic wizards and just wanted a TV to watch. Our living room is pretty large with a vaulted ceiling and a big picture window. Our picture has been great, and we've had absolutely no problems.

If you can hold off for awhile, you'll see some incredible deals around Thanksgiving. :thumbsup2
 
From one layman to another, I have an LED and an LCD. Got them both on sale. I love, love, love my LED. It was a snap to put on the wall and connect all my stuff to. I got some extra ports to add my Wii but the best thing I like about it is that I can stream my netflix through wi-fi. Saves me a bunch of money on the cable bill. Or it will once I call to cancel some stuff. Have to get through the season finale of true blood.
 
We've been doing a lot of research on this topic over the last couple of months. Here's what I learned in very basic layman's terms.

From what I can tell, LCD is old technology. LED is the newer, better version of LCD (and what most places are offering now). Both LCD and LED TVs are best viewed from straight in front. If you will have any seats off to the side, the picture quality will suffer. (To test this, go to a store with a bunch of them on the wall. Look at them straight on, then go off to the side and you'll see what I mean.) With LED TVs, the blacks don't get really truly black but close enough for most people. And many LED TVs now come with non-glare screens.

Plasma TVs have truer blacks and handle motion better. They also don't lose picture quality when viewed from the side. But their screens tend to have a lot of glare (even though some are now saying they have non-glare screens).

Which one of these is right for you is going to depend quite a lot on the room where it is going to be. Do you have a lot of windows (where glare might be an issue)? Will there be seats off to the side or is all viewing going to be straight on from the front? When we started looking I really thought LED was the right one for us, but it turns out that because of the way our room is situated, plasma is really the much better choice. Now we're just waiting for a good sale.
 
Buy the TV that fits your budget and looks best to YOUR eyes. thats the key ..
Don't worry about the technology. Look for a Smart TV if you want to do Netflix on it. thats all you need to concern yourself with.


also.. do NOT spend more than $30 on HDMI cables. There is no such thing as a 'hi speed' hdmi cable. it is a cable. it carries a digital signle. 010011110010111.
It either works (1), or it does not work(0). there is no "better" hdmi cable or "worse" hdmi cable. the $2 cable at Dollar tree is JUST AS GOOD as the $200 Monster Cable at best buy. (or should i say 100Xs as better as you can buy 100 of them for the same cost?)

Also.. you will not get HD out of the Wii, or any device that isn't HDMI/Component already. You may need to upgrade you dvd player, and your cable box if it doesn't already support HD. (us the $198 you saved not buying a Monster cable towards a cable box or bluray player)
 
*What is the difference between LCD, LED, and Plasma? Plasma seems a lot less expensive, and LED is the most expensive. LCD is right in the middle on cost. What is the difference and benefits of the 3 types?

Actually there are 4 types of TVs you can now buy. LCD, LED, Plasma and DLP.

LCD and LED both work the same way, You have a panel of liquid crystals that bascially acts as a changeable filter turning specific pixels on the screen on or off (letting light pass through or holding it back)... the LCD uses florescent tubes to provide the light from behind the screen while a LED uses a light emitting diode to provide the light... LCDs usually use 2 or more of those florescent tubes, the tubes are bit like the ones in an overhead light and will eventually burn out, when it happens they may or may not be replaceable by you... most aren't and would require a TV repair service to fix it. The LED on the other hand will likely last longer than any other part in the TV... LEDs rarely burn out. The only down side to an LED is that some are a bit too bright in a darkly light room, they do however use the least amount of power.
In both LCD and LED you have only one real issue when you get the TV, Dead pixels, little pixels on the TV that might be dark or light regardless of the picture you are watching... caused by a defect on the liquid crystal panel that doesn't let the pixel turn on and off as it should. This is an issue because they can be very annoying especially if they are near the dead center of the picture. This is also the one reason to be very careful where you buy the TV. Most manufacturers WILL NOT replace a TV because of dead pixels. Most manufacturers claim that a certain number are too be expected and are not a defect (regardless of the fact that you paid a couple of thousand for the TV).... the best defense you have is to buy it from a place that will exchange it or refund your money without questions or without a restocking fee. Walmart and Sams are my favorite places because it is easy to return the TV and not get hammered with a restocking fee. Always look at the fine print on returns, if I'm not mistaken Best Buy will hit you with a fee if you return a TV, other places certainly will so make sure you know the return policy before you buy.

Plasma - works close to the same way as your current CRT TV. The panel is made of little lights that will light up to create your picture... big down side is that plasma TV don't last forever and over time they will become more dim. They also use more electricity than any other type of TV your looking at. Are also heavier than a LCD,LED (not much but some). The benefit is that they have a very good picture and will give more contrast than any of the other TVs. Don't plan on keeping it forever if you watch a lot of TV plasmas will eventually die and when they do you can't replace any bulb you just throw them away.

DLP - this TV is the cheapest option. It works like a rear projection TV except that instead of different colored bulbs projecting on the screen it has 1 bulb that projects through a spinning color wheel. The upside is the TVs using DLP are cheap and lighter than similar sized LCD/LED/Plasma TVs, they also do a much better job when viewing non-HD content. The downside is that they do require a special bulb which burns out after a few thousand hours of use (though the bulbs are easily replaced by the user and don't require a technicial to replace, just open a panel on the back pull the old bulb out and slide the new one in). The biggest downside is that they are not flat enough to mount on a wall. A typical 60 inch DLP TV might be 12 inches deep, compared to 2 inches deep for a LED/LCD/Plasma. They don't use as much electricity as a plasma but use more than an LED... They also have the advantage of NOT using a glass screen so unlike the other types of TVs if you kid loses a Wii control and it hits the screen it wont destroy your TV, it might scratch it but will not crack ro shatter it.



*What is a HDMI port, and why do I need them?
*We have a Wii, DVD player, Tivo, and a VCR. Is it going to be possible to connect that many devices to one TV? (We can only connect two right now, and have to swap them out when needed.)

HDMI ports are special ports that allow you to connect one cable from a device to the TV so that both the audio and video signal use the same cable instead of having to connect individual audio and video cables... the stores will overcharge you for these cables, I've seen store charge over $100 for a HDMI cable that is no better than a $10 cable. I order all my HDMI cables from a place called monoprice.com, the last time I checked a 6 ft HDMI cable in your choice of colors cost about $4. DON'T overpay for cables.

As for what you need, I have no idea what type of output ports your have available on your listed equipment except the Wii (it doesn't have an HDMI option only component and composite video).... I'm guessing the DVD might have an HDMI option but it depends on the age of the player. The VCR is unlikely to have the HDMI. The Tivo I'm unsure of. Your problem will be finding a TV that includes enough component and composite video connection for you to hook up all your equipment.

you listed 4 items that probably don't have HDMI connections and almost all TVs are now moving toward having multiple HDMI connections and only 1 or 2 component/composite connections. I assume you could simply use your Tivo and VCR with a coax cable and turn to channel 3, but you will likely only have one coax connection so you would be having to daisy chain those two and probably don't want to have to disconnect and reconnect the Wii and DVD player all the time... so look carefully at the number of composite and component connections... you should be able to find TVs with at least 2 and if you get lucky might find some with as many as 3... but most will be heavier on the HDMI side.


*What is a refresh rate? Why is it important?

refresh rate is really not that important at this point, it is really more of a marketing gimmick unless you plan on getting a 3D capable TV. The reason is that source material you are going to display is at most a series of 60 images that will be sent to your TV per second... a good deal of your content when you watch a movie is only 24 frames per second (fps)... so when a TV has 120 Hz (which means it refreshes the image 120 times a second)... what that means is the TV getting a TV show made of of 60 fps will show frame 1 twice before showing frame 2 twice before showing frame 3 twice and so on... or in some cases the TV will use special software to take frame 1 and frame 2 and create what it believes the frame in between should be, so in this TV the real images would be 1, 3, 5, 7... and so on... and the ones the TV generated as filler would be images 2,4,6,8 and so on... If you get a higher end TV that has a 240hz refresh rate then it is just going to be creating even more of what it thinks is happening than what is really there.... some people like this when watching a sporting even where a ball is moving down field quickly as the TV is pretty good at creating the imaginary frames that the real picture doesn't have... but for most people it just doesn't make sense to pay lots of money for something that isn't really noticable.



*These new TV's have bulbs, right? About how long do they last? When they burn out, how expensive is it to have them replaced?

Summarizing the original overview,
LEDs wont burn out, LCDs will burn out and will require a repair shop to fix usually not worth fixing because of price, Plasmas will burn out and cannot be fixed, and DLP will burn out but is easily fixed by you at home.

A typical LCD repair will cost more than a new TV.... a DLP will cost between 150 and 200 for a bulb (very specialized bulbs).

I've had LCD, LED and DLP TVs.... based on my experience my only mistake was not getting a bigger DLP (ours is 60 inches)... for a movie like experience the DLP is much more like a theater than the LCD or LED.... now if you are looking for a TV to hang on the wall... I would probably go with another LCD, only because the premium for an equal sized LED is still higher than the benefit you get from them... I don't expect to keep my TV forever so I don't worry about the bulb burning out... for the record our oldest LCD TV is about 7 years old and the bulb hasn't burned out.
 
We have a 3 year old Panasonic plasma. We love this TV. It is in a room with a lot of windows so we opted for the antiglare screen and that does help during the couple of hours a day the glare can be a problem.

We just finished our basement so we have been searching for another flat screen. We thought we had decided on an LED until we compared it to a plasma. In our house sports is king :lmao: and really LED/LCD can't compare to plasma with fast motion sports.

Every store we shopped had the energy guide attached to the TV and for the 60" size we were looking for the energy consumption was within $6/year for plasma vs LED/LCD.

The new plasma's are also a lot thinner and less bulky than they used to be. The one we decided on is no thicker than the LED we were contemplating.

Good luck in the search. You will LOVE whichever TV you decide on. :)
 
Breaking down the possible connections on a TV (a TV many have all, some, and any number of these connections):

Here's a picture...
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Right now, HDMI will (generally) give you the best connection. It will carry sound and picture. You'll find matching connections on DVD/Blue-Ray players, HD Cable/Satellite boxes, and any HD DVRs.

Component connections will have a Red, Green, and Blue connector. This carries video only. If you want an HD signal, it must come from either an HDMI or Component input. You can get a component output cable for your Wii. These will also typically be found on DVD/Blu-Ray players, Cable/Satellite boxes, and DVRs. You only have to hook up component OR HDMI from a device, you don't need both.

SVHS or S-Video connectors are generally black and have four small 'pins'.

Composite connectors are generally yellow.

If you use Component, S-video, and Composite connectors only carry video. You will need a different cable to carry audio.

Analog audio cables are generally red & white.

Digital audio cables come in two flavors... optical and coaxial. Either will work, but you need to make sure the TV supports your device(s).

Antenna/Cable is a "screw on" type. Some cable systems will allow you to hook your TV straight to the cable system (and bypass a 'box') and be able to scan (at least some) stations in. This is also the connector you'd use if you want to hook up an antenna.

I would say you want at least:
3x HDMI inputs
2x Component inputs
2x Composite Inputs (possibly one on the side to hook up a video camera or something)
1x S-Video
1x Antenna/Cable input


As far as picking out a TV... do some online research (http://www.cnet.com or http://www.avsforum.com/). Write down the EXACT model number of TVs you're interested in. Go into a store and look at the TVs. Don't just look straight on... make sure you go off to the sides to find out where the viewing angle is. Look at the colors. Look at how it handles motion. Does it have PiP (picture in picture)? Do you want that? How are you going to mount it? TV's will come with stands or you can mount it on a wall.

All that being said, we got a Samsung LCD almost three years ago. Have been VERY happy with it.

I second the hint about using cheap HDMI cables & monoprice.com.
 
also.. do NOT spend more than $30 on HDMI cables. There is no such thing as a 'hi speed' hdmi cable. it is a cable. it carries a digital signle. 010011110010111.
It either works (1), or it does not work(0). there is no "better" hdmi cable or "worse" hdmi cable. the $2 cable at Dollar tree is JUST AS GOOD as the $200 Monster Cable at best buy. (or should i say 100Xs as better as you can buy 100 of them for the same cost?)

Well you can overpay for cables, but there are better and worse HDMI. There are different standards, and I doubt the Dollar Tree $2 cables are HDMI 1.4, gold plated, and well insulated. Poorly made cables will cause problems, where expensive cables are just expensive. You need to avoid both. As someone else already mentioned, use monoprice.com for high quality low cost cables. In a pinch, Amazon's basic line are decent cables for the price.
 
We went with an HD projector, and never looked back. :) We bought ours from The Projector People, and they are a great business.

I love that the "screen" is as big or little as we want.

It is ceiling mounted, so when you walk in the room you don't see a giant TV taking up a ton of space.

It uses less electricity.

Picture is awesome!

You do have to replace the bulbs, and they can be expensive, but we've had ours for over 2 years now and it still looks great.
 
Thanks so much for all of the info. I need to re-read all of this a couple of times so it sinks into my brain. :)
 
I'm not a tv/movie person (I prefer to read), but DH is. Last winter he was in the market for a new tv. This is the man who researches everything for months before he buys.

We ended up with an LED 3D HD tv (Samsung - and its huge) with the 3D blu ray player and the soundbar. Even I have to say that I've never seen a clearer picture. When he rents a movie and gets that sound going it's better than the movie theater.
 
We have both a Samsung Plasma & a Samsung LED. Both have great pictures and both had problems at the three year mark. We had insurance on the Plasma so the fix was covered. It was a circuit board that affected the picture on 1/2 the screen. That fix was a couple of years ago.

Our LED just went wacky last week. There were lines all over the screen and it was giving us double 'ghost' images. No extended warranty on that TV. :( We took it to a local repair place and he said he was beginning to see a lot of these Samsung LED's. Mostly with power supply problems (that isn't the problem with ours). Apparently he thinks it has something to do with the way the circuit boards are made in order to get the TV's so thin. Anyway, we're waiting on a part for the TV. If that part fixes the issue the repair should be around $500.

If we bought another, I would still get the LED - LOVE the picture and I can clearly see the picture even if I'm sitting off to the side (same with my plasma). But I might get the extended warranty, or at least figure the cost of the warranty against the cost of probable repairs 3 years down the road.
Btw, we called Samsung, and sent them pictures of what the TV was doing and they said the repair could be between $500 and $1700 - too big of a spread for us (plus shipping!). So we went with a local TV repair shop.
 
Breaking down the possible connections on a TV (a TV many have all, some, and any number of these connections):

Here's a picture...I would say you want at least:
...
2x Composite Inputs (possibly one on the side to hook up a video camera or something)
1x S-Video
Note that in the picture, the shared composite and S-video input does not count both as one of the 2 composite inputs and also as the S-video input. Either or. You would need to unplug one before you could use the other.
 
We just did a ton of research and went with an LED vizio wifi model. It's 42 inches I think but we could have gone to 46 or 52 inches looking back.

The wii connects via the composite cables. The current wii is not HD compatible but supposedly there is a new one coming out that will be. We scrapped our VCR and old DVD players and upgraded to wifi vizio blue ray players that use hdmi connectors.

The satelite box (or cable if we still had it) connects via hdmi connection. So does the Roku box I have plugged in upstairs (bought before we went with the wifi TV and blueray players).

The HDMI handles both picture and sound so only one wire per device.

I also have a converter so I can use an HDMI cable and plug my iphone in and view videos or do picture slideshows on the big TV. It's pretty cool. Now, if we had the apple air TV thing then that could be done wirelessly as well. But, the TV has HDMI ports in the back and one on the side so we are good.

We bought a smaller LCD flat screen for our bedroom and it has less ports which might be a problem later on.

The flat screen TVs do not have the best sound. We had surround sound speakers with our old DVD player but the wires were everywhere. I bought a sound bar with a wireless subwoofer and one cord from the sound bar to the TV.
 













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