Pool Hopping

[mariamouse]

Mercy--while I agree that there are other issues and dilemmas far more important, common respect for others is a practice that is also of great importance. Imagine if disrespect existed in more aspects of society...then wouldn't life itself be not nearly as great? The more that people make pool-hopping an issue, the more likely it is that it will not be debated about in the future. The rules say pool-hopping is not allowed--if people do not need to abide by these rules, then why do people bother following the law or acting in a civilized manner?

mariamouse

 

[tinkerbeth]

Originally posted by ducklite
A picture says 1000 words...

Similar signs are posted at every WDW pool.

Anne

Well, I for one think they should be checking every person who comes into that pool and making sure they showered properly. Heaven knows there are some people who are rude enough not to wet their hair completely. Two CMs should be on duty. One to sniff the guests for olfactory cleanliness, and one to inspect whether they showered thoroughly enough to completely wet their hair and bathing suits. After all, it's right there on the sign.

 

[Geoff_M]

As to your question, you still haven't looked it up- or you would have seen how the word is descriptive- and neither a positive or negative term. As to intent- my intent WAS to describe the behavior, and I make no apologies for that, only for the potential that it might be mistaken to be derogatory.

"Busy" and "body" are also descriptive words that are in the dictionary. Neither is positive or negative, but when placed together it's another story. Same for "blue" and "nose". Dittoes for "up" and "tight".

I was curious as to why you felt the need to apply a label to the "them" that you then also described? Why not just say "I find it interesting that the people against pool-hopping here are pretty much the same people every time this thread (or the mug thread, or the upgrade thread, etc) comes up."

For some, it is 'morally' OK to express an opinion regardless of how it may affect others (despite the fact it doesn't affect you)...

Well, now you're moving the goal posts. My point that was the receiver has the final say on how they choose to react or feel about an opinion, and not the sender.... but I'll bite. How exactly does one determine how another may be affected by the expressing of an opinion so one may decide whether the expressing of said opinion is, or isn't, "moral"?

 

[Lewisc]

Originally posted by mic_key_mouse
I find it interesting that the 'Disney police' or the 'morality police'- or whatever you want to call them are pretty much the same people every time this thread (or the mug thread, or the upgrade thread, etc) comes up.

I find it interesting that everytime a poster asks about the rules on things like pool hopping a few people give OP the rules and then the same group immoral posters proceed to post on why and how the rules should be broken. Pool hopping used to be permitted, a few guide books say it's still permitted. It's really a yes or no question (except for DVC's staying on points). It's not enough that some people chose to pool crash but the same group of people see the need to try to justify it and to persuade others that it's OK.

Sorry but calling the front desk and phrasing your request in way that implies you're a DVC member asking if the pool is available (not overcrowded) for pool hopping isn't really asking for permission.

Showing up to the pool in a bathing suit and asking the lifeguard isn't really asking either. You're basically trying put the employee in the postion of either violating the rules or looking like a real SOB.

I suspect most pool crashers don't do either.

I really blame Disney. The extent of the pool crashing is obvious. There really isn't any reason why they can't check ID's. The Vegas hotels do.

I am amazed no one has bother to find (and post) a location where you can climb a fence and enter the theme parks without paying admission. That seems to be about the only shady practice that isn't promoted.

 

[BluOrchid2]

I just think it's hilarious how pompous some people are, using terms like "end of story," and "ABSOLUTELY" like theirs is the only opinion that matters and the rest of us should just shut up and let theirs be the last post on the subject.

 

[hannahryan]

Originally posted by Lewisc

I really blame Disney. The extent of the pool crashing is obvious. There really isn't any reason why they can't check ID's. The Vegas hotels do.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!! Disney management just doesn't want to be bothered.

 

[Lewisc]

Originally posted by BluOrchid2
I just think it's hilarious how pompous some people are, using terms like "end of story," and "ABSOLUTELY" like theirs is the only opinion that matters and the rest of us should just shut up and let theirs be the last post on the subject.

Except questions as to rules have nothing to do with the opinions of the posters.

I just re-read the OP. Good work troll. Second question is how can he spend the day in the theme parks and still have plenty of time to pool hop.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by tinkerbeth
Well, I for one think they should be checking every person who comes into that pool and making sure they showered properly. Heaven knows there are some people who are rude enough not to wet their hair completely. Two CMs should be on duty. One to sniff the guests for olfactory cleanliness, and one to inspect whether they showered thoroughly enough to completely wet their hair and bathing suits. After all, it's right there on the sign.

And your point is, or is this an example of sarcasm.

 

[kelscross]

I agree tinkerbeth...I posted that earlier in this thread. Does everyone that is posting here shower before entering the pool? It's on the rule sign...

No I don't agree with pool hopping as I said before...just trying to point out that not all the "rules" of the pools are enforced as posted not just the pool hopping rule. AND not all of the anti pool hopping supporters (I am one of them) shower before entering the pool I'm sure.

Why does everyone get so heated about this? Yes it stinks to pay a bundle of money and not be able to use the pool because crashers are at the pool. How many people actually do this that pack the pools? I didn't see any when we went to CBR last year, maybe no one wanted to crash that pool, I don't know.

Go say something to management when you notice these pool hoppers. Management is not hanging at the pool so maybe they do not know the extent of the problem (if it is extensive) I'm sure BC made their policy based on complaints of resort guests. The other resorts may have to follow suit IF the problem is reported.

 

[Bojangles]

Originally posted by kelscross

. How many people actually do this that pack the pools? I didn't see any when we went to CBR last year, maybe no one wanted to crash that pool, I don't know.

CBR isn't right outside the MK. The monorail resorts get people crashing from offsite, the theme parks, and FW.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by Lewisc
same group immoral posters

pu-lease

I see some people actually walk on the pools, not just swim in them.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by tinkerbeth
Well, I for one think they should be checking every person who comes into that pool and making sure they showered properly. Heaven knows there are some people who are rude enough not to wet their hair completely. Two CMs should be on duty. One to sniff the guests for olfactory cleanliness, and one to inspect whether they showered thoroughly enough to completely wet their hair and bathing suits. After all, it's right there on the sign.

absolutely right on point.

 

[Goof]

And the Saga continues

 

[mic_key_mouse]

""Busy" and "body" are also descriptive words that are in the dictionary. Neither is positive or negative, but when placed together it's another story. Same for "blue" and "nose". Dittoes for "up" and "tight"."

Since you seem to have trouble with understanding the meaning of a two word phrase, in the future I will do my best to use one word- and I will try to keep it short enough that you can garner the meaning...

"I was curious as to why you felt the need to apply a label to the "them" that you then also described? Why not just say "I find it interesting that the people against pool-hopping here are pretty much the same people every time this thread (or the mug thread, or the upgrade thread, etc) comes up."

Label??? What label??? Using your point that "the receiver has the final say on how they choose to react or feel about an opinion, and not the sender", how can you be certain anyone (other than you) believes it to be some sort of label? It was just my opinion, you are labeling my opinion a 'label'- not me

"Well, now you're moving the goal posts. My point that was the receiver has the final say on how they choose to react or feel about an opinion, and not the sender.... but I'll bite. How exactly does one determine how another may be affected by the expressing of an opinion so one may decide whether the expressing of said opinion is, or isn't, "moral"?
"
I will use your rationale to answer this question, too. Because it is up to the reciever to determine how they feel about an opinion, and an opinion (according to you) is neutral unless acted on, then it makes sense to me that there is probably no reponse- positive or negative- to a neutral opinion. Makes about as much sense as your question...

I am more than happy to throw gobbledygook at this pablum (as long as I don't fall asleep from all the neutrality). Maybe if you want to form an opinion there could be a discussion, but that would necesitate that you form an opinion, therefore blowing your whole argument out of the water.

 

[Sammie]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
pu-lease

I see some people actually walk on the pools, not just swim in them.

Dad I don't really think the person meant that these posters are immoral. Just a reference to someone calling those against pool hopping the "morality police and Disney police" Which would mean those in favor of pool hopping would be the "immoral" and Disney "felons" by reason of the first post.

Actually no one against pool hopping was resorting to name calling. Only those in favor were.

And no one has answered my question. If you want to swim in a certain pool why not stay there.

 

[Geoff_M]

Since you seem to have trouble with understanding the meaning of a two word phrase, in the future I will do my best to use one word- and I will try to keep it short enough that you can garner the meaning...

There's no call for condescension on your part. Your claim that your use of "morality" was non-derogatory without mention of your linking it with the term "police" is, at best, only looking at half the equation.

Label??? What label??? Using your point that "the receiver has the final say on how they choose to react or feel about an opinion, and not the sender", how can you be certain anyone (other than you) believes it to be some sort of label?

Because you said so: "...or whatever you want to call them..."

I will use your rationale to answer this question, too. Because it is up to the reciever to determine how they feel about an opinion, and an opinion (according to you) is neutral unless acted on...

That was not my rationale. I never claimed an opinion was neutral unless acted upon... I said: "Opinions have no effect on anyone unless acted upon." Children sometimes express the idea as "Sticks and stones and break my bones, but words will never hurt me." I would add to that "... unless I decide to let them."

Makes about as much sense as your question...

Sorry, but you're the one that opted to bring the 'morals' of opinion expressing into the equation. I can only work with what you give me!

therefore blowing your whole argument out of the water.

Not quite... It blows your false impression of my argument out of the water.


Finally, let's look at what's transpired since your interjection into the thread. Let's roll the tapes:

mic_key_mouse: "I find it interesting that the 'Disney police' or the 'morality police'- or whatever you want to call them are pretty much the same people every time this thread (or the mug thread, or the upgrade thread, etc) comes up."

Geoff_M: "It's also worth noting that the quickest way for a thread to turn "ugly" is to start hurling labels."

Lewisc: "I find it interesting that everytime a poster asks about the rules on things like pool hopping a few people give OP the rules and then the same group immoral posters proceed to post on why and how the rules should be broken." (I suppose Lewis' "descriptive" term wasn't meant to be derogatory either. I'm also sure the mocking of your opening lines aren't a sign that your post had anything to do with him jumping into the fray.)

BluOrchid2: "I just think it's hilarious how pompous some people are,..." (Another dart hurled... or is it just another non-derogatory descriptive term?)

Lewisc: "Good work troll."

wdwdvcdad: "I see some people actually walk on the pools, not just swim in them."

Sammie: "Dad I don't really think the person meant that these posters are immoral. Just a reference to someone calling those against pool hopping the 'morality police and Disney police' Which would mean those in favor of pool hopping would be the 'immoral' and Disney 'felons' by reason of the first post."

I rest my case...

 

[Kennedy]

I sure hope none of the rule keepers have ever taken 11 items in the 10 or less lane, or ever driven 56 in a 55 zone, these people must be exhausted from being so perfect. Life is too short, to put this much energy into worrying about what other people do. I always tell my kids to worry about themselves, If you don't believe in pool hopping then don't do it. End of story. Spend more time cuddling your kids and not worring so much about someone else using your pool.

 

[Rafikifan]

You're very insightful for someone who has only posted 6 times.

 

[Mercy]

Originally posted by Kennedy
I sure hope none of the rule keepers have ever taken 11 items in the 10 or less lane, or ever driven 56 in a 55 zone, these people must be exhausted from being so perfect. Life is too short, to put this much energy into worrying about what other people do. I always tell my kids to worry about themselves, If you don't believe in pool hopping then don't do it. End of story. Spend more time cuddling your kids and not worring so much about someone else using your pool.

I totally agree, we ALL break the rules at times. And life is too short to worry about such stupid stuff.

And Kennedy, welcome to the boards!

 

[MermaidsMom]

To all the posters that have the "live and let live" attitude about pool hopping, could you post your addresses so that we can all come and eat from your fridge whenever it sounds like fun for the rest of us? I mean, what if we really "want" to eat from your fridge? We're hungry and bored sometimes and the kids would love it! If you have a pool - even better, we'll bring our suits. And don't get me started about driving your car......fun is all that's important, right?