vacationer1954
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It was an over reaction that blew up into rumor driven panic.Have they backed down from this? I read that here just a few days ago.. Or was that just a rumour?
It was an over reaction that blew up into rumor driven panic.Have they backed down from this? I read that here just a few days ago.. Or was that just a rumour?
Have they backed down from this? I read that here just a few days ago.. Or was that just a rumour?
Disney haven't changed a thing about their plans.
The over-reacting, panic stricken folk just seem to have finally read the press release with a level head and realised what is actually happening.
It's nice that Disney lets us in on the plans, but when they do so with incomplete information it only stirs up more questions and concerns regarding what changes we can expect.
I don't blame folks for their reactions. Disney did not handle the announcement very well. They have done this before, putting releases like this in the hands of their bloggers without refining it to include the specifics people will be concerned with most about was a mistake. There is one blogger who repeatedly skips details in his posts and I have to wonder if he does it to get more reactions.
A few thoughts for the "Disney should do their own special thing..." camp:
Disney did do their own special version of a coffee shop. It was called the Fountainview Espresso and Bakery.
It opened in November of 1993 as an annex of the Sunrise Terrace in Epcot (the remainder of which was converted into Pasta Piazza by May of 1994.)
It was a full on "coffee shop" with bakery items and froofy drinks. It served Nescafe products as well as Disney food items. It had/has a show kitchen bakery in the rear and is entirely setup akin to a modern Starbucks but with two-sided ordering. There was even ridiculous "coffee" theme items covering the walls.
It never did well. It failed to attract guests and by 2001 it was on seasonal operation. The adjacent Pasta Piazza also failed to attract guests. Pasta Piazza became Character Connection as a test and due to the success of that test it was closed, torn down, and then finally became Character Spot.
Fountainview lingered on as a seasonal offering, until finally in 2007 they tore out the bakery case and put in ice cream as a menu offering. It has remained open as merely The Fountainview Cafe since then.
Disney's own conceptualization of a modern coffee shop failed to attract guests in one of the busiest theme parks in the world at one of the heaviest foot traffic areas. It simply wasn't good and it was a failure.
Now do any of us really think Starbucks is going to fail at that same location?
If you consider that factually, you can see why they're not going to attempt to make yet another Disney version of a Starbucks but rather just put a proper Starbucks offering in place at Fountainview and the Main Street Bakery.
*A quick continuation of the history lesson...
Those who went to Character Spot before it closed recently for renovation might recognize the queue..
And in the right side of that photo is the back wall of the show kitchen of Fountainview - note the plexiglass low wall to let people see into it. Bakery made pastries there in full view of guests.
What guests? These ones..
That's almost the same angle as the first shot. But you may think, where's the column that is prominent in the first photo?
It just didn't last
Perhaps, though it also seems like a lot of the blow up over this was due to people seeing negative details that simply weren't there and instead of admitting that they don't know it seems that they chose to fill in the gaps with the most negative things they could think of.There is one blogger who repeatedly skips details in his posts and I have to wonder if he does it to get more reactions.
~This is SO ugly, it reminds me of the old Contemporary before the refurb! I can't believe I am saying this, but I wonder if Disney could corrupt Starbucks?!? I wasn't thrilled with the idea of Starbucks, it's part of my daily commute, I go to Disney to escape all that.A few thoughts for the "Disney should do their own special thing..." camp:
Disney did do their own special version of a coffee shop. It was called the Fountainview Espresso and Bakery.
It opened in November of 1993 as an annex of the Sunrise Terrace in Epcot (the remainder of which was converted into Pasta Piazza by May of 1994.)
It was a full on "coffee shop" with bakery items and froofy drinks. It served Nescafe products as well as Disney food items. It had/has a show kitchen bakery in the rear and is entirely setup akin to a modern Starbucks but with two-sided ordering. There was even ridiculous "coffee" theme items covering the walls.
It never did well. It failed to attract guests and by 2001 it was on seasonal operation. The adjacent Pasta Piazza also failed to attract guests. Pasta Piazza became Character Connection as a test and due to the success of that test it was closed, torn down, and then finally became Character Spot.
Fountainview lingered on as a seasonal offering, until finally in 2007 they tore out the bakery case and put in ice cream as a menu offering. It has remained open as merely The Fountainview Cafe since then.
Disney's own conceptualization of a modern coffee shop failed to attract guests in one of the busiest theme parks in the world at one of the heaviest foot traffic areas. It simply wasn't good and it was a failure.
Now do any of us really think Starbucks is going to fail at that same location?
If you consider that factually, you can see why they're not going to attempt to make yet another Disney version of a Starbucks but rather just put a proper Starbucks offering in place at Fountainview and the Main Street Bakery.
Thank you for the "I don't care" option. Sorry, just not feeling sentimental to either side. but, it's probably because I've never had a lick of coffee in my life.
Disclaimer: Now, you tell me McD's is coming back, I'm a passionate "Uh, yeah!"
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You're welcome. Yeah, I'm with you, I love McDonalds coffee.
i was actually referring to their fries.
I didn't vote, because I need an "other" option. I think Starbucks certainly should be offered at Walt Disney World, but they shouldn't take over an entire coffee shop. It should be a Disney owned shop and offer the coffee as an *option*.