Point Morphing

[Steamboat Bill]

I know there are a ton of posts on this topic, but I want to start anew with new posts and new examples.

Is point morphing still occuring?

Has anyone transferred any OKW or SSR points into a BCV or VWL or BWV account in the last week or two and had those OKW/SSR points morphed into BCV/VWL/BWV points?

 

[vonpluto]

I understand that points transferred from OKW into a BCV account suddenly become BCV points. How does this happen? What are the mechanics of this? Is there some sort of dark side pixie dust at work?

 

[Y-ASK]

Let's say you own only one contract at BCV. When someone transfers points into your account the system has no way of tracking the fact that they came from say OKW or VWL. So now you've got both BCV and OKW or VWL points in your account that look to Disney as BCV points. Now all you have to do is bank those points and then at the 11 month mark of the prime time season (like Food and Wine or Xmas) you can book reservations using all of your BCV points and recently aquired "morphed" OKW/VWL points thus getting around the need to wait until 7 months to use the OKW/VWL points that were transfered into your BCV account.

If you do this with enough points you could make quite a few reservations that you never intend to use yourself but only want to line your pockets with the profits from a prime time season reservation thus reducing the number of reservations that other members might like to make but were too "stupid" to book at the 11 month mark

Y-ASK

 

[Steamboat Bill]

Yes, this pixie dust was only landing on a select few DVC owners that knew about the flaw in point tracking. Look at other posts to explain how it happens.

I am seeking posts to see if this loophole has been closed or is the abuse still occuring (even if it is a small 25 point contract).

 

[OneMoreTry]

If VWL points are transferred to an OKW account, do they still retain VWL 11month status along with the new OKW 11month status? Or do they lose all VWL privileges and become PURE OKW points?

Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?

Just kidding!! (But could I??)

Am I just now catching on to the appeal of those teenyweeny addons?

 

[Steamboat Bill]

If I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month BCV window

yes...that apparantly WAS possible in the past. I want posts on if it is still occuring NOW (after August 1, 2007) because of the new transfer rule.

 

[nicky mouse]

Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?

My understanding is that if you do an add on it will be a sub contract of your original contract. And different subcontracts are tracked just fine. At the 11 mo. window 50 poins can be used for reservations at BCV and 300 for reservations at OKW. Also there is no need to transfer points to use them together for a reservation at the 7 mo. window. All 350 point could be used at whichever resort you wish.

To do what you are asking about you would need to buy a seperate contract via resale. As Disney would not let you buy a new contract for less than 150 points.

 

[RobDoc]

DVC can track these transfers, but the software is apparently not set up to do it automatically. Any tracking must be done manually by a CM willing to take the time to look back at notes made in an account possibly months earlier.

If you had (for example) OKW points transferred into your BCV account specifically because you wanted to book a GV 11 months ahead at OKW, you would have to push MS to do the manual search of the transferred points in order to book that reservation. In some cases, there may even be a delay of a day or more to have that happen - all of this BEFORE you can make that reservation. While it probably is not an impossible task at all, it does take a CM away from answering the phone during that time.

Since there are now over 100,000 members - the number of possible manual transfer inquiries could be staggering and beyond the practical manpower capabilities of MS without increasing staff - and thus expenses.

I think the move back to a limit of one transfer per year is an attempt to allow MS to better opportunity to track these transfers by simply taking the time to look back in the account notatations. Not a perfect system and not a perfect response to the problem created by the limitations of the system itself - but at least a small step towards correcting the problem.

While I'd expect that some transferred points may still "acquire" characteristics not "allowed" by the POS, I also expect that many will now be treated just as intended. I certainly hope so.\

Stay tuned!

 

[RobDoc]

If VWL points are transferred to an OKW account, do they still retain VWL 11month status along with the new OKW 11month status? Or do they lose all VWL privileges and become PURE OKW points?

Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?
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The VWL points should retain that status- but you may need to push MS to manually track them to be used at VWL at 11 months. Otherwise- in the past- they would become OKW points and available to be used at 11 months.

Again, the way the system has worked (or has been used by some), the transferred OKW points would become BCV points with the 11 month priority. Unless a conscientious MS CM makes the effort to read thru the account notations made when the transfer was completed. (If the add-on was done thru DVC- you would not be able to transfer the points, since they are already in the same account.)

 

[CarolMN]

....(snip).....Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?

Just kidding!! (But could I??)

Am I just now catching on to the appeal of those teenyweeny addons?

Don't count on it - MS has been known to pretty much refuse those kind of transfers when the contracts are owned by the same member. No legitimate reason to do such a transfer.

Best wishes -

 

[Dean]

If VWL points are transferred to an OKW account, do they still retain VWL 11month status along with the new OKW 11month status? Or do they lose all VWL privileges and become PURE OKW points?

Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?

Just kidding!! (But could I??)

Am I just now catching on to the appeal of those teenyweeny addons?

If they are unrelated contracts, you can do the transfer if you want. No reason if to do transfers if they're linked contracts.

 

[LisaS]

I think the move back to a limit of one transfer per year is an attempt to allow MS to better opportunity to track these transfers by simply taking the time to look back in the account notatations. Not a perfect system and not a perfect response to the problem created by the limitations of the system itself - but at least a small step towards correcting the problem.

I agree. With some members reportedly making hundreds of transfers per UY, I can't imagine MS trying to keep track of things manually.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Unless a conscientious MS CM makes the effort to read thru the account notations made when the transfer was completed.

Something tells me those CMs are going to be making A LOT more effort, or risk getting their butts chewed by their supervisors. With the limit of one transfer this should make manual tracking a reality in every case. I'd bet they are under strict orders to police the heck out of this and get it under control. This amount of extra work should be manageable now, with the amount of transfers happening before it was just hopeless. Here's hoping they get a handle on this, and quickly.

Sorry I went .

Anyone with any "morphs" to report?

 

[Jeremy&Susan]

Also, if I do a minimal add-on at the BCV (say with a 50 pt resale) could I then transfer my 300 OKW points into THAT account every year and get the 11month window for all 350 points at the BCV?

Just kidding!! (But could I??)

Am I just now catching on to the appeal of those teenyweeny addons?

MS may catch it with transfers from one account in your name to another, but if you have one account in your name and the other in your spouses or another family member, then it is a transfer.

I couldn't tell you how many people I've spoken to that say, this is the best way to buy cheap points and then upgrade yourself and your points to get 11-month ressies at BCV or BWV.

We only own points at Saratoga, love that location and have no intention on playing the game.

 

[disneygrandma]

OP asked if anyone had transferred points within the last 2 weeks and had them morphed into another resort...........is that possible? It seems like so many people who talk about points morphing, say it happens after they have been banked, that they THEN are morphed into the other resort's points. So have points previously morphed as soon as they were transferred, or only after they were then banked?

 

[skibum]

How does MS allocate points transferred in to a multiple contract owner. If you own 150 at SSR and 75 at BCV, and transferred in 75 OKW points, can you ask for them to go into BCV account? Do they just allocate based on the percentage of points you own (in this example, place 50 in SSR and 25 in BCV)?

 

[RobDoc]

How does MS allocate points transferred in to a multiple contract owner. If you own 150 at SSR and 75 at BCV, and transferred in 75 OKW points, can you ask for them to go into BCV account? Do they just allocate based on the percentage of points you own (in this example, place 50 in SSR and 25 in BCV)?

You would direct MS which account you want them transferred. They will probably ask anyway, but unless you want the OKW points to make a reservation at OKW 11 months ahead, it shouldn't make much difference as long as they are doing a better job of tracking the points.

 

[Steamboat Bill]

OP asked if anyone had transferred points within the last 2 weeks and had them morphed into another resort...........is that possible? It seems like so many people who talk about points morphing, say it happens after they have been banked, that they THEN are morphed into the other resort's points. So have points previously morphed as soon as they were transferred, or only after they were then banked?

I am looking for a post from anyone who has had points morphed, no matter if they were banked or transferred. Does it still work? Details please.....

 

[disneygrandma]

I understand that you're looking for details from someone who has transferred recently and had the points morphed, but I'm wondering if that is even possible. Is it during the act of banking that the points are then morphed? If so, then it would mean that a member both transferred and banked within the last week or so. Or do points morph as soon as they are transferred?

I'm also wondering if Disney has corrected the morphing problem, and am just as interested as you in finding that out. However, I wonder how many members are going to post here that they recently transferred to get morphing points.

 

[Doctor P]

When they morph (both use year and home resort), they do so immediately.