Maybe Disney is preparing people for when they take EMH away entirely. Maybe this is more build-up to xPass.
Since this discussion started there have been a few new discussions about how much trouble people are having getting the rooms they want on dates they want (like the one Karantan just posted). I wonder if we will eventually see EMH go down to just one hour, since this change to two hours doesn't seem like it will get rid of all these complaints about hotels being so full.
I wonder who actually survive all 3 hours. Maybe during slow times when park closes early, but during busy times like summer, not so much. Maybe they figured that running parks extra hour for few survivors just not worth it. I will not miss it.
As has been mentioned, this totally depends on when you go. When I'm there, MK is open until 8 or 9pm on regular nights and DHS looks like it's closing at 8pm more often than not. So, while the 3 hours making it last until 3am does seem like it's overly too late (not for me so much, but in general), 11pm-12am really isn't too bad.PM extra magic hours go waaay too late in the night for me anyway. Who wants to stay in MK till about 2 or 3am and then get up for another day at 7am? You gotta be nuts to be trying schedules like that in the Florida heat.![]()
PM extra magic hours go waaay too late in the night for me anyway. Who wants to stay in MK till about 2 or 3am and then get up for another day at 7am? You gotta be nuts to be trying schedules like that in the Florida heat.![]()
We're NOT morning people and are fans of the late nights.Parents of teens, that's who! I'd have a revolt on my hands if I insisted on rope drop more than once or twice a trip, but we do evening EMH until the end, whether that is midnight or 3am.
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The "nuts" factor would be staying in the parks in the heat of the afternoon.
We would go back to the room and nap for those hottest hours, and use the late and early EMH to be in the parks
when they experience the coolest temperatures of the day.
The "nuts" factor would be staying in the parks in the heat of the afternoon.
Absolutely!
Hey, does this mean they can put back the extra monorail time? After all, that whole deal was based on how late it had to be in operation on those REALLY late PM EMH nights......
Correct. They already limit EMH (Magic Morning Hours) at DLR/DCA...WARNING: BASELESS SPECULATION AHEAD
Maybe this is build up to EMH being a XPass entitlement. Since Disney has tested fastpass parade and firework viewing spots (and I believe at least one interview with somebody who's working on xPass they said as much) I don't think it's too far out there to make the EMH something you have to spend an entitlement on. 1 EMH morning or evening for 1 entitlement. So while the decrease in evening EMH length at this point will increase crowds, if they did implement this I would wager that the crowd levels would fall to around E-Ride nights levels. (Most people preferring to have a reserved ride time during the day instead of going into the night. No data to support this; it's just a hunch.)
Also, this isn't as crazy as it sounds. Disneyland used to, I don't know if they still do, include with some tickets a single use EMH perk so there is precedent for this.
The "nuts" factor would be staying in the parks in the heat of the afternoon.
We would go back to the room and nap for those hottest hours, and use the late and early EMH to be in the parks
when they experience the coolest temperatures of the day.
This sucks.
PM EMH was a significant factor in our choice to stay onsite vs. offsite for our upcoming August trip. We routinely close down whatever park is open latest.
It's also what got us to add Park Hopping. When we stay offsite, we just go to whatever park had EMH the day before, and do one park a day. But on an onsite trip with evening EMH available to us, we go to a less-crowded park earlier in the day, and hop for the EMH hours.
I have a feeling future trips will see us staying offsite, with Disney losing revenue from us both on a room and on hoppers.
1- Robo, you edited/deleted as I started to respond.
2- It's more than just the CMs out front, though, isn't it? You'll have to add in the extra hour for backstage CMs who are there during an EMH, plus an hour less for all the transportation workers.
And even a fraction of a percentage is touted as a major savings by bean counters, and presented as such to shareholders.
-i dont read every single post and thread on here so didnt know it was old news...
Don't feel bad, it is new for me...
Rough numbers:
MK, Ep, DHS, DAK hours open per week ***
including 1-hour AM EMH x5 (MK x1, Ep x1, DHS x1, DAK x2)
including 3-hour PM EMH x4 (MK x2, Ep x1, DHS x1, DAK x0)
= 350 Theme Park hours open weekly, AVERAGE
Cut 4 hours per week of PM EMH (MK x2, Ep x1, DHS x1, DAK x0)
= 346 Theme Park hours open weekly, AVERAGE
Result:
Save 4 hours out of 350 in on-line CM wages (some in overtime) per week, across the board.
That is a rough wages savings of ONE TENTH of one percent. (.011 %)
Is this the kind of powerful cost-cutting that will "make or break" the bottom line for Disney Parks?
*** Open hours per week (average)
MK = 101
Ep = 92
DHS = 92
DAK = 65
Do any of you "numbers people" out there (you know who you are) want to take a crack at this?
I'd like you to double-check my math.
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Robo, you edited/deleted as I started to respond.
It's more than just the CMs out front, though, isn't it? You'll have to add in the extra hour for backstage CMs who are there during an EMH, plus an hour less for all the transportation workers.
And I would expect there are additional costs associated with operating the attractions that are at least reduced when the park is closed - less electricity and water, etc.
And even a fraction of a percentage is touted as a major savings by bean counters, and presented as such to shareholders. Because the true bottom line is that Disney is a publicly traded company and as such it's primary goal is required to be maximization of shareholder value/return on investment, not providing magic to guests. Sad but true.