PM EMH drops from THREE Hours to TWO Hours

[Robo]

I'll assume your figures in red are correct. If so, the actual number saved is 1.1% and not "one-tenth of one percent". An order of magnitude difference, but it still does not impress me as huge. (I hope that wasn't snippy.... )

Yes. That is correct.

I have edited my earlier post to update that.


Just snippy enough, thanks!

 

[Robo]

I would expect there are additional costs associated with operating the attractions that are at least reduced when the park is closed - less electricity and water, etc.

Good point, but it's difficult for any of us to know many facts on this datapoint, unless we were to pro-rate those hours like we did for the CMs. I don't have a warm-fuzzy that would be particularly accurate.

But, if you add those "electricity, etc." numbers in on the front end,
then do the math, the PERCENT would be roughly the same.

It would be "X hours of electricity to operate the rides per week " on the front end,
subtracting 4 hours of that electricity by dropping the use during PM EMH 4 hours.

My figures about the CM's are really "HOURS of working"
so the HOURS of electricity -etc- to operate the rides would play right along with the 1%, or so, savings.

 

[Cafeen]

But, if you add those "electricity, etc." numbers in on the front end,
then do the math, the PERCENT would be roughly the same.

It would be "X hours of electricity to operate the rides per week " on the front end,
subtracting 4 hours of that electricity by dropping the use during PM EMH 4 hours.

My figures about the CM's are really "HOURS of working"
so the HOURS of electricity -etc- to operate the rides would play right along with the 1%, or so, savings.

With CMs, it's either On or Off. With other resources, it could be a reduction, but not fully off. So, for example, if an attraction uses 50% of it's power while in "sleep" mode, this means that they're gaining 50% of 1%, or 0.5% for that hour. While I don't know the actual operating vs "sleep" mode differences, I don't believe that they fully shut them off, so there will be some slight difference.

So, basically, for other factors (water, electricity, etc), they're gaining at MOST 1%, but likely considerably less.

 

[mesaboy2]

Electricity, etc.



But, if you add those numbers in on the front end, then do the math, the PERCENT would be roughly the same.

It would be "X hours of electricity per week to operate the rides" on the front end,
subtracting 4 hours of that electricity by dropping the use for PM EMH 4 hours.

My figures about the CM's are really HOURS of work (so the hours of electricity -etc- to operate the rides would play right along with the 1%, or so.

I understand. I think it gets a little more complicated though because of the potential that attractions aren't simply turned off while the park is closed. For some maintenance work, and certainly testing, during off-hours I would expect the power draw to be the same. How many hours overnight is this done? Are they cutting back EMH hours to save money or to increase opportunity for maintenance? (I suspect the answer is probably to save money, or possibly a mix of both.) The CM wage savings is obvious and fairly straightforward, this less so.

Did I really just spend several minutes of my lunch hour discussing this?

ETA: I see Cafeen is thinking along the same lines.

Also, know that I work with complicated computerized systems that rival some WDW attractions and are in use during the day, and then are turned over at night for a maintenance shift. In my case, most of these systems remain on 24/7/365, and are only shut down when specific maintence procedures call for it.

 

[DizzyStitch]

I have been involved in preparing budgets for some large companies over the years. And I am always surprosed at how much "Managers" think the savings are going to be when they present these big cost savings measures. Of course in the next year I have to laugh when these same "Managers" are trying to explain why these cost savings measures are not saving as much as they said they would. Hopefully this will the case here as well and we will get back some of what is being taken away.

 

[lugnut33]

I'm guessing that this will get Iger a huge bonus. While the 1.1% number does not seem like much, when translated to dollars I bet it's in the millions and that equals huge bonus.

Our family doesn't use EMH all that often, but I don't want any perks taken away. And I do feel bad for the families that love EMH. I'll fight for them.

Ultimately it comes down to money, that's all.

 

[Phatoomch]

I'm guessing that this will get Iger a huge bonus. While the 1.1% number does not seem like much, when translated to dollars I bet it's in the millions and that equals huge bonus.

Our family doesn't use EMH all that often, but I don't want any perks taken away. And I do feel bad for the families that love EMH. I'll fight for them.

Ultimately it comes down to money, that's all.

I'm guessing it will cover costs on AoA, FL expansion and the complete re-furbs at resorts like POR.

I don't think they are trying to cut costs, more like cover costs.

 

[culli]

If they made the morning 2 hours instead of one, think of that popularity! The problem with the night is the line are long until the last hour, all the fast passes are gone and tough on the families...makes for two long days. You could get your whole day of rides in then just get to hang out the rest of the day.

BTW we are generally night owls, but the early times just allows us to make the most of the day. We are converts I guess you could say!

 

[Scrappy_Tink]

regarding 1 less EMH.

 

[palmtreelover08]

All this back and forth with the number crunching is making me feel like I am working (instead of the slacking off I am currently doing during lunch).. It is starting to make my head spin.

 

[larryz]

I understand. I think it gets a little more complicated though because of the potential that attractions aren't simply turned off while the park is closed. For some maintenance work, and certainly testing, during off-hours I would expect the power draw to be the same. How many hours overnight is this done? Are they cutting back EMH hours to save money or to increase opportunity for maintenance? (I suspect the answer is probably to save money, or possibly a mix of both.) The CM wage savings is obvious and fairly straightforward, this less so.

Did I really just spend several minutes of my lunch hour discussing this?

ETA: I see Cafeen is thinking along the same lines.

Also, know that I work with complicated computerized systems that rival some WDW attractions and are in use during the day, and then are turned over at night for a maintenance shift. In my case, most of these systems remain on 24/7/365, and are only shut down when specific maintence procedures call for it.

Wait a minute -- this speculation is USED!!!

It was when they said they were cutting back the Monorail hours...

It was for "maintenance," right?

I want some new speculation, or my money back, please!

 

[Planogirl]

I don't think that this is happening because they are complacent because it is difficult to find rooms as someone said earlier. I just checked Expedia for two weeks from now. Rooms are available for 9 nights at CR, Poly, BW, YC, AK, BC, WL, CSR, PO, FW, Pop, ASports and CBR. (Sorry for the abbreviations but it's way too much typing otherwise. ) That's in just two weeks! The prices are crazy for some (the Contemporary for $508 a night - really?!) but that's another topic.

I bet that we'll continue to see these changes, one at a time, as they gear up for NexGen.

 

[kaligal]

Wait a minute -- this speculation is USED!!!

It was when they said they were cutting back the Monorail hours...

It was for "maintenance," right?

I want some new speculation, or my money back, please!

I don't remember. Did Disney say that or was that what the DISers said?

I know it was said a lot, I just don't know why.

 

[Cafeen]

Wait a minute -- this speculation is USED!!!

It was when they said they were cutting back the Monorail hours...

It was for "maintenance," right?

I want some new speculation, or my money back, please!

Well, MY speculation is purely cost-cutting in the forms of staff hour reductions. Same deal with seemingly earlier closings in general. But, that cost-cutting bean counter based speculation is also quite used... so we still gotta find something Unfortunately, it's also probably right...

I don't remember. Did Disney say that or was that what the DISers said?

I know it was said a lot, I just don't know why.

The maintenance thing is what Disney originally said. I remember giving them the benefit of the doubt on that.

I was naive.

 

[Robo]

Bumping because-

I wasn't aware of the EMH change since I only visit the DIS once or twice a week. And that's mostly because of condescending posters who have no patience or simple courtesy.

 

[larryz]

Bumping because-

Oooh! Cross-thread posting...!

Very clever, Mrs Esterhouse...

 

[Robo]

Bumping-

to keep DISers informed.

 

[Robo]

Bumping because-

I didn't know either - nor had I seen any of the recent posts -

 

[Robo]

Bumping-

because DISers want to know.

 

[KellyNY]

And that is why Robo has so many posts!