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I am really astounded at all the go ahead and not take her responses.

I can't believe how heartless and rude and cruel you all are telling this poster to be. I really can't.

You all seriously think it is OK to go back on your word and break a promise, especially at this late date. Wow I guess peoples word isn't worth anything anymore.


Would you really understand and like it if someone broke their promise to your child at the last moment after months of looking forward to it? I don't believe you would be on here saying "yeah after my child planned and looked forward to a trip with a friend they told them they couldn't go at the last moment and I think its is perfectly fine and he is as happy as a clam over it" I think we all know what the post would look like.

I raise my children to and I also keep my word if I promise something.

While I think it is a shame that the girls had an incident (and BTW, if some kid slapped my DD there is no way I am paying for them to take a trip with me), you have to look at the facts. If these girls have made ZERO contact with each other in the last two months, why would this girl's mother wait until now to ask about a full paid vacation for their kid. That is just weird.

OP, if it were me, I would arrange for the girls to reconnect well in advance of the trip and perhaps more than once. I would email the mother back and tell her that the girls had a bit of a falling out and that your DD is hesitant to have her come on the trip. Let her know that you think the girls can work it out and arrange for them to get together. The girls need to work out their issuses themselves, but there is no reason you can't give the mother some insight into the situation. You don't need to give her the details of what happened, but just let her know that you were not even sure her daughter was still interested in going since she has not even talked to your DD all summer.

Best of luck. It's a tough spot. In the end, you need to do what is best for your DD and your family to enjoy the vacation you worked hard to pay for.
 
let me add some needed info. the girls are both 13 years old. the friend of my daughter is going the "boy crazy" route. my daughter (so far thank you thank you thank you) is not. there was an incident right before school let out where the friend was talking about a particular boy and my daughter said "ok! nobody wants to hear about this anymore. and the friend slapped my daughter in the face. now she did apologize to my daughter and my daughter accepted the apology and that's what led to the drifting apart thing. also, the friend is with her father for the summer - but they both have facebooks and have not communicated there either. i do not know the mom well, and was actually very surprised that she would let her daughter go. my main concern is that my daughter has said that she does not want to spend her entire vacation hearing about all these boys - and i'm worried about what may or may not happen.

now i don't believe the mom knows about the incident - and i would rather not tell her because....well, let's just say the mother is very physical with her discipline. personally, i agree with the "you made your bed" logic, but i don't want this vacation to be miserable. my daughter has wanted to go to WWOHP for 3 years now - and i want it to be perfect for her.

maybe that will help with the advice!!!!:scared:

I'm not understanding, you say in the thread title and this last line you are looking for advice, yet you are really looking for people to validate your desire to rescind the invitation. You also stated in the OP that you expect the friendship to pick back up when school resumes?
 
Ok...I think we can all agree that hindsight is 20/20.

Yes, this should have been worked out earlier between the girls. Yes, communication could have been better between all sides of the equation. But what's done is done, and can't be helped now. From my perspective, what the OP is asking for are some viable options to make the best decision for her family and her daughter in particular. It's not about judging what's the better parenting method...she's asked this community to help her make the right choice.

Thirteen is a crappy age - especially for girls. Let's face it - too old to be a baby, too young to understand the raging hormones. On top of that, every movie, magazine, video game, and song is telling them they have to age from 13 to 31 in a heartbeat. They're told from every angle that being a child is uncool; they are encouraged to be sexy and alluring from the moment they realize that boys aren't just girls that smell funky. I don't envy teenagers today by any stretch.

However, the bottom line is that there was an episode between these two young ladies that resulted in some violence. That's never right, and should be addressed. Who's to say that it won't happen again, or worse yet, escalate? And if the OP isn't comfortable with the influence the guest girl will have on her daughter, she has a right (moreover, an obligation) to protect her child, etiquette or not.

I would humbly suggest that the moms come together and discuss this. After all, they will be footing the bill - and each should be concerned about the welfare of their children. Perhaps the guest girl's mom is a bit heavy-handed. That responsibility lies with the guest girl's mom, not the OP. It is not the OP's fault if the guest girl's mother doesn't handle the news well. The situation should be explained fully, and how the OP is worried that the girls might go at it again, but with more serious consequences (after all, one of the moms won't be there...and the guest girl might feel she can get away with more serious infractions; or the OP's daughter might feel that she has more power and become bossy or vengeful).

Ensure that the guest girls' mom knows that the problem is not with her daughter alone, but whether or not the two girls will get along well. Remember, arguments and conflicts are rarely one-sided, especially when it comes to kids. Going on vacation means the girls will be together almost 24 hours a day for several days. There will be excitement and emotions and fear and everything else. If they are only marginally friends now, any unhappiness will be magnified. Every little snit or dig can potentially turn into a big dramafest, and that isn't good for anyone.

After a serious conversation between the moms, and then the daughters, the OP can better determine if this would be a good vacation dynamic. In my opinion, it's more important to preserve the sanity of her family than to worry about whether it's good form to follow through with an invite.

OP - I think this is a situation that can be handled through honest and forthright communication. You may also find - to your benefit - that doing this will teach your daughter that there are more ethical and proper ways of dealing with conflict. And perhaps this experience will allow you to not fall into the same trap in the future. That, in my opinion, is how you teach young girls to be strong women. To instill the best values in them...by showing them how it's done.

Most of all, whatever you decide, I truly hope you and your family have a lovely vacation.
 
OP, was there ANY communication between you and the other parent(s) when the invitation was originally offered?

If this was a simple case of your DD asking the other girl to go with her and she accepted, but the parents didn't talk, you've got an easy out.
 

OP, if it were me, I would arrange for the girls to reconnect well in advance of the trip and perhaps more than once. I would email the mother back and tell her that the girls had a bit of a falling out and that your DD is hesitant to have her come on the trip. Let her know that you think the girls can work it out and arrange for them to get together. The girls need to work out their issuses themselves, but there is no reason you can't give the mother some insight into the situation. You don't need to give her the details of what happened, but just let her know that you were not even sure her daughter was still interested in going since she has not even talked to your DD all summer.

Best advice yet!!!

AND, why is everyone so sure there aren't TWO sides to this whole "She slapped my kid", story?
 
AND, why is everyone so sure there aren't TWO sides to this whole "She slapped my kid", story?

Frankly, there are probably way more than two (one kid's verison, other kid's version, the version mom was told, the version we were told....)
 
The girl was invited. You'd really just be all 'oh well, too bad' if your kid changed his mind willy nilly and didn't want a kid you'd invited on a holiday vacation along at the last minute just so YOUR kid wasn't made unhappy?

She was invited, she goes, imo, unless somethig horrible happened in the meantime which it doesn't seem to have.

The incident seems minor, the OP's daughter was being bratty too, and the OP says her daughter has moved on from it - plus as someone else said, don't really know exactly what happened there.

I don't understand the OP's seeming surprise the kid was still coming, just because the girls hadn't spoken in... 5 or so weeks? ... during summer vacation when one is away. Presumably she thought she'd be on vacation with y'all soon. Suggesting the friendship will pick right back up also suggests OP's daughter is just being mercurial. I say she goes. It's beyond rude to ditch her at this point for no real reason.

It's one thing when you mouth off to one another, it's another thing to lay your hands on each another...if someone slapped me they would be picking themselves up off the ground. :)

If her daughter moved on then why doesn't she want the girl to still come on the trip?

Friendships at that age change constantly. Seems like neither one was too interested in keeping it going once school was over.

How do you know for sure the other girl still wants to go on the trip? How do you know that the other mother isn't in the same exact situation telling her daughter "you said you would go, so now you have to go!" :rotfl:

It seems to me if either girl really wanted this to happen they would have kept in touch way before this.
 
Then if it bothered you so much why didn't you cancel the day after it happened or at least back in May? You don't do that to a person. You don't promise and dangle something in front of them and then pull it away at the last minute. That just isn't right.

That girls heart will be broken.

You are being pretty dramatic with your replies. This girl is not going to be heartbroken, she doesn't even talk to the OP's daughter anymore :confused3. The OP is totally within her rights to let the other mom know the invitation is no longer valid. The trip isn't for a couple more months anyway. I don't feel the girl should have to let the family know, the parents should handle it.
 
Let me first say thank you for all the advice - from both sides. Second, I certainly didn't mean for this to become an "attack" type issue. The friend was invited before the slapping incident, and I decided to let my dd figure out how to handle it - obviously, that was not one of my better decisions because here I am. How was I to know that they would not speak to eachother for the entire summer? As I said before, I do not know the mom very well, and the only communication between us was the dates of the trip. And that conversation was in May - no communication between us again until the email I got this morning.

This has given me alot to think about, and I hope I make the best decision for everyone involved. Thank you all again so much.
 
Let me first say thank you for all the advice - from both sides. Second, I certainly didn't mean for this to become an "attack" type issue. The friend was invited before the slapping incident, and I decided to let my dd figure out how to handle it - obviously, that was not one of my better decisions because here I am. How was I to know that they would not speak to eachother for the entire summer? As I said before, I do not know the mom very well, and the only communication between us was the dates of the trip. And that conversation was in May - no communication between us again until the email I got this morning.

This has given me alot to think about, and I hope I make the best decision for everyone involved. Thank you all again so much.

Best of luck! Let us know how it all turns out. No matter what, have a great trip! :goodvibes
 
You are being pretty dramatic with your replies. This girl is not going to be heartbroken, she doesn't even talk to the OP's daughter anymore :confused3. The OP is totally within her rights to let the other mom know the invitation is no longer valid. The trip isn't for a couple more months anyway. I don't feel the girl should have to let the family know, the parents should handle it.

Oh I disagree. If the girl was invited on a trip and then the rug is pulled out from under her at the last minute you don't think she will be hurt? If the trip is in the summer it isn't month's away. school starts in August. She may not talk in the month because she is at her Dad's and what if he doesn't allow her to use the computer? or she doesn't have a cell phone? that isn't her fault. Most school friends don't talk over the summer much, what with living different places, living with other parents, sports, visiting grandparents, etc.

I'm being dramatic because this is how all the crap that goes on between teen girls starts! The nastiness, the bullying, it goes on. Have you had any teen girls lately?
 
I wouldn't be as concerned with the other girl's feelings as much as my daughter's. If you really think that your DD won't have as good of a time with her "friend" there, then let her mother know that there was an incident and you're sorry, but you've decided that you'd rather it be a family trip.

The other girl may be upset, but I'd rather have that girl upset then my own daughter. :confused3
 
Let me first say thank you for all the advice - from both sides. Second, I certainly didn't mean for this to become an "attack" type issue. The friend was invited before the slapping incident, and I decided to let my dd figure out how to handle it - obviously, that was not one of my better decisions because here I am. How was I to know that they would not speak to eachother for the entire summer? As I said before, I do not know the mom very well, and the only communication between us was the dates of the trip. And that conversation was in May - no communication between us again until the email I got this morning.

This has given me alot to think about, and I hope I make the best decision for everyone involved. Thank you all again so much.

Wait.... the incident - your daughter DID figure out how to handle it. She was being a brat, her friend reacted inappropriately, her friend apologized, your daughter accepted the apology and moved on.

You don't like how your daughter handled it, apparently, because YOU still hold a grudge. That doesn't mean it was a mistake to let her handle it because... what, she should hold a grudge?

As to not speaking for "the entire summer" it seems they haven't spoken for June, as it's the second week of July when you heard from the mother and you heard from them in May. The friend has been on vacation with her father. :confused3 You said you expect the friendship to pick right back up in school so it's not as if you think there's some big problem, sounds like friend was busy and away and your daughter made no effort either and they just didn't talk for a few weeks.

I dunno, this post sounds like the other poster who said you may be looking for any justification to ditch the girl was right. You invited her - what reason would the mother have had for contacting you between May and now, closer to the trip? You didn't contact her either. Maybe she just thought people were busy with other stuff and closer to the trip you'd discuss the trip.

Reverse the situation - your daughter was invited on a big trip. You talked to them about a month ago. Since then, your daughter has been at... her grandparent's farm for a month. You now email the mother to check on the plans and she's suddenly all 'uhm, yeah, we decided not to take your kid.' How would you feel? I bet you'd be on here, kind of shocked and blindsided, because you had no idea and people would be sympathetic about the person who was cancelling on your kid at the last minute and what if you had plans for when your daughter was going to be away and how dare they, how rude....
 
Yeah, I see that attitude a lot. Especially with the "only child" parents.

Sorry, that's just how I feel. Especially if I was paying for the trip.

My kids come first. 100%. I hope that every parent would say the same?
 
You might be overthinking this one. The mom emailed and asked if the trip was still planned. Seems pretty simple to reply that your plans have changed and you can't take friends this time. Let her know that you thought the girls would talk about it over the summer but apparently they have not talked since school got out. You could even let her know that you are glad she emailed you to clarify.
 
Sorry, that's just how I feel. Especially if I was paying for the trip.

My kids come first. 100%. I hope that every parent would say the same?

My child comes first to an extent. And that does not extend to hurting the feelings of a "friend". I want her to always understand that the proper thing to do sometimes is putting the feelings of someone else first.
 
My child comes first to an extent. And that does not extend to hurting the feelings of a "friend". I want her to always understand that the proper thing to do sometimes is putting the feelings of someone else first.

Sometimes, being the key word.
This is a major trip that she has been waiting a long time for.
And to have it ruined because they can't get along would be horrible.
Sure, that girl would be upset - but not for long.
And, anyways, if they were fighting the whole time - neither of them would have fun, and the other girl would probably just want to go home. :confused3
 
Sometimes, being the key word.
This is a major trip that she has been waiting a long time for.
And to have it ruined because they can't get along would be horrible.
Sure, that girl would be upset - but not for long.
And, anyways, if they were fighting the whole time - neither of them would have fun, and the other girl would probably just want to go home. :confused3

How do you know the other girl would not be upset for long?

How do you know neither of them would have fun?

These are the assumptions that are made when your ONLY concern is YOUR childs, with absolutely NO concern for the other childs feelings.

Yes, as parents our kids are first, but, I don't think I exclude the feelings of others as easily as you seem to.
 
As to not speaking for "the entire summer" it seems they haven't spoken for June, as it's the second week of July when you heard from the mother and you heard from them in May. The friend has been on vacation with her father. :confused3 You said you expect the friendship to pick right back up in school so it's not as if you think there's some big problem, sounds like friend was busy and away and your daughter made no effort either and they just didn't talk for a few weeks.

I was wondering the same thing. Where I live we are only into 2 weeks of the summer vacation. Even if the OP's school let out at the end of May for summer vacation that's still not the "entire summer" and only a little over a month since the parents last spoke about the trip. Maybe the mom was waiting to hear from the OP and then waited till after the holiday (July 4th) to contact her.:confused3
 
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