Plans have been filed for DVC expansion at Caribbean Beach Resort

[Madonna3]

No no, I totally agree, this is almost certainly happening. Its just funny that I think people generally rejected this in this thread.

Sorry my messaging is way off, I am super loaded up on cough medicine.

Where is Lockedout on this ?

Has he posted yet ?

I don't think we ever rejected this because I don't think we ever thought of it. We all agreed that to make this DVC it MUST connect to a park. Where we disagreed was the manner in which they would do it. We all looked to the water way initially and eliminated it because for us, bringing a new transportation system to WDW seemed to be against their current business model. You insisted it would be by water and we all told you no. So, the water naysayers were right. But, we were all correct that to make this DVC it would have to connect somehow. Where we also were correct, was that it would have to be isolated and function as its own resort from CBR.

I'm actually disappointed this is turning out to be DVC.

I'm also optimistic on the new skyway transit, but also a bit leery. I'm excited to see them connect multiple resorts, but that connection is what makes me leery in regard to economic stability.

This appears to be an elevated closed circuit transit system that looks to be linking that area conveniently to studios and also looks to be something that can be expanded to animal kingdom, springs and beyond if successful and cheap...

It is not a dredged canal through the service areas or a foot bridge.

So yes...this doesn't validate any of the points that were discussed...this is different...and if you look at it logically...it's the shorter distances being tested that could expand both east and west from that axis.

Everyone know why it was called "Epcot center"?

Hey, welcome to Florida this week. I was over in Crystal River until yesterday.

 

[Madonna3]

If this indeed happens it does show CBR is a prime location, and what some imagination can do.

Meh. I think it's more accurate to say that Disney has used their imagination to turn subprime into prime. It's not just CBR on this thing. It's AoA and PoP too and those are not what I think anyone would consider "prime".

 

[dlavender]

What an egregious oversight. At least I'll never have to take the bus when I'm at wdw next. Pretty sure I'll be able to gondola myself around everywhere with all these cheap canals.

So I was right......sort of, and by accident.

If you ignore the sarcasm and cheap canal talk.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's not about "prime location"...they ignored that for 30 years...

It's about - finally - an investment in infrastructure that works the best at that spot. I doubt they're building a transportation system for a 1 vacation club block...what the hell is the point of that?

This is about Star Wars and more...it also could very well be a move to eliminate the buses in some capacity - as someone pointed out.

Buses suck...they just do...I just got off them and it's not a high priced way to travel...

But an overhead transit system can be SOLD as a high priced.

...and here we are skipping boardwalk and park place and back to "go" again...the angles.

 

[DenLo]

It looks to me right now you will have 4 load spots. One at either end (the parks) then one at the CBT location, and then a second at the CBR location. The CBR location may require a load/unload point - as I picture there is a one line from CBR to DHS and then a second line that goes from CBR-CBT-EPCOT. Without the AOA spur (which it now sounds like is just theoretical) you could also have one single line the whole way as well.

You have to deal with load issues - for instance, if it's a single line from CBR-CBT-EPCOT, you can't load EVERY car at CBR, or else CBT passengers would have trouble getting on - so you tend up loading every other car instead. Not really a problem.

As I said, biggest problem is how to deal with shut-downs for weather. You can't strand people at the parks - would need to provide bus transport in the cases of bad weather.

It is a shame the site lines don't add up for the direct line from CBR to the tower, like you or someone mentioned in another post. I really liked this idea.

How about there is a spur to and from the tower to redirect elbow? DVC would then connect to the gondola system.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Meh. I think it's more accurate to say that Disney has used their imagination to turn subprime into prime. It's not just CBR on this thing. It's AoA and PoP too and those are not what I think anyone would consider "prime".

None of those places are worth $300 a night and never will be...

...but now they'll look for the herd to pay that much for them.

I was at Caribbean this week because I couldn't resist looking around a little...it had been awhile.

Nothing...and I mean...NOTHING...about that property implies 4 star class...it doesn't. It is what it is...and THAT is what it is.

 

[nkosiek]

So, let's talk point chart. Does this warrant VGF or Poly Points? I'd say no. BLT points, I'd say sorta. AKV points, now we might be onto something there. If they put the points between AKV and BLT, they may have a decent resort here. The savannah rooms at AKV are mostly the same PPN as the Standards are at BLT. Figure they could probably get away charging the Lake Room costs for the fireworks view (sorry, just can't think of a view of EPCOT's small display of pyrotechnics as worthy of the same cost as Theme Park View at BLT) and the rest at the BLT standard/AKV Savannah rate and I don't know if they'll face too much backlash.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

So, let's talk point chart. Does this warrant VGF or Poly Points? I'd say no. BLT points, I'd say sorta. AKV points, now we might be onto something there. If they put the points between AKV and BLT, they may have a decent resort here. The savannah rooms at AKV are mostly the same PPN as the Standards are at BLT. Figure they could probably get away charging the Lake Room costs for the fireworks view (sorry, just can't think of a view of EPCOT's small display of pyrotechnics as worthy of the same cost as Theme Park View at BLT) and the rest at the BLT standard/AKV Savannah rate and I don't know if they'll face too much backlash.

Good god


Have you ever been to Caribbean? The facilities are blah...

I was just at kidani village...you want to pay the poly point chart for that? That's what your talking about here. That level of "nice"...maybe less.

Gotta be better consumers, people. If you're diving into this I hope there's a second tier of DVC...this doesn't pass the minimum value requirement.

Speaking of view...any of you ever looked at the BACK of world showcase?

Heh? It's not worth a $20,000 investment and dues. We glossed over that as well on this 3,000 post thread.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I don't think we ever rejected this because I don't think we ever thought of it. We all agreed that to make this DVC it MUST connect to a park. Where we disagreed was the manner in which they would do it. We all looked to the water way initially and eliminated it because for us, bringing a new transportation system to WDW seemed to be against their current business model. You insisted it would be by water and we all told you no. So, the water naysayers were right. But, we were all correct that to make this DVC it would have to connect somehow. Where we also were correct, was that it would have to be isolated and function as its own resort from CBR.

I'm actually disappointed this is turning out to be DVC.

I'm also optimistic on the new skyway transit, but also a bit leery. I'm excited to see them connect multiple resorts, but that connection is what makes me leery in regard to economic stability.



Hey, welcome to Florida this week. I was over in Crystal River until yesterday.

Perfect..."reality based" response.

I was in crystal river on Monday.

 

[dlavender]

Good god


Have you ever been to Caribbean? The facilities are blah...

I was just at kidani village...you want to pay the poly point chart for that? That's what your talking about here. That level of "nice"...maybe less.

Gotta be better consumers, people. If you're diving into this I hope there's a second tier of DVC...this doesn't pass the minimum value requirement.

Speaking of view...any of you ever looked at the BACK of world showcase?

Heh? It's not worth a $20,000 investment and dues. We glossed over that as well on this 3,000 post thread.

Given the posts here, people seem to be happy with access and a bed. Seems to be the threshold for paying premium prices. Nothing else matters.

Sales presentation will go like this:

Salesman: New CBR DVC will be $25k buy in
Potential buyer: Isn't that what BLT/Poly went for?
Salesman: Yes
Potential buyer: Is there direct access, and does the room have a bed?
Salesman: Yes
Potential buyer: What a deal! Give me 2.

 

[LSLS]

First, the permits are just for the structures at DHS and CBR, correct? I think it makes a lot of sense that they could be looking into this transportation, but I'm not sure those permits show without a doubt the buildings are going to be for transportation. Worth pointing out before people get TOO excited for this.

But, to run with this a bit. I think you are going to have to have 4 stops on this transport minimum. You have Epcot and DHS, but I think you are also going to be looking at 2 in CBR. The main building (which the build off to AOA/POP goes from) are on the south side of CBR. As far as I remember, the DVC are rumored for Barbados. If we are talking about this great access for DVC, you are talking about a 0.6 mile hike at least to get from your rooms to the platform. Heck, I can walk from POP/AOA and it is a quarter mile to that location (assuming road access). For this to be a DVC perk, there would HAVE to be a load/unload closer to the DVC area. And speaking of that quarter mile hike, I could see that as being the access for the values. If they simply build a path, it would save a lot of time, and may keep the gondolas from getting too busy with 4,000 or so additional rooms packing onto it.

 

[jade1]

It's AoA and PoP too and those are not what I think anyone would consider "prime".

If this happens, their "location" will be prime, esp for Star Wars Land.

 

[rteetz]

First, the permits are just for the structures at DHS and CBR, correct? I think it makes a lot of sense that they could be looking into this transportation, but I'm not sure those permits show without a doubt the buildings are going to be for transportation. Worth pointing out before people get TOO excited for this.

But, to run with this a bit. I think you are going to have to have 4 stops on this transport minimum. You have Epcot and DHS, but I think you are also going to be looking at 2 in CBR. The main building (which the build off to AOA/POP goes from) are on the south side of CBR. As far as I remember, the DVC are rumored for Barbados. If we are talking about this great access for DVC, you are talking about a 0.6 mile hike at least to get from your rooms to the platform. Heck, I can walk from POP/AOA and it is a quarter mile to that location (assuming road access). For this to be a DVC perk, there would HAVE to be a load/unload closer to the DVC area. And speaking of that quarter mile hike, I could see that as being the access for the values. If they simply build a path, it would save a lot of time, and may keep the gondolas from getting too busy with 4,000 or so additional rooms packing onto it.

The yellow structures are in the permits. The green is speculation. It's expected we see an Epcot stop because of the structure near the boardwalk.

 

[nkosiek]

Good god


Have you ever been to Caribbean? The facilities are blah...

I was just at kidani village...you want to pay the poly point chart for that? That's what your talking about here. That level of "nice"...maybe less.

Gotta be better consumers, people. If you're diving into this I hope there's a second tier of DVC...this doesn't pass the minimum value requirement.

Speaking of view...any of you ever looked at the BACK of world showcase?

Heh? It's not worth a $20,000 investment and dues. We glossed over that as well on this 3,000 post thread.

Short of being on the Magical Express, nope. I take your word for it. I also didn't say I wanted to pay for anything over there. I've got my BLT points and am quite happy with them. I also said it wasn't worth VGF/Poly level of points. I don't think it will be WORTH BLT points but I see them trying to charge that level and many people sorta being okay with that. People will say, "Hey, look, new property and it costs less ppn than any of their other properties they've built recently." I have no idea what they will put with that tower, but I believe they'll try to charge somewhere between BLT and AKV point levels.

As for the last part, no, I haven't. That said, some people complain about the "Theme Park View" from BLT with the parking lot below but many others don't even notice the parking lot from the castle/Space mountain. Not sure how the backstage buildings would be any different to many people.

 

[LSLS]

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The yellow structures are in the permits. The green is speculation. It's expected we see an Epcot stop because of the structure near the boardwalk.

The permits are for structures at those locations, but as far as I have read nothing states that these are specifically for transportation, just that they are unfamiliar structures, and people then began trying to connect dots. Admittedly I am going off of the initial posts on WDWMagic and the news articles I have seen pop up (which are a day or so old) so there may be something I don't know, but I have yet to see anything that specifies that is absolutely what these are for. It makes a lot of sense, but LOL's favorite saying really applies here I think.

 

[dlavender]

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The yellow structures are in the permits. The green is speculation. It's expected we see an Epcot stop because of the structure near the boardwalk.

That does look like quite a hike from the proposed CBR tower to that load/unload spot.

Will you have to bus over to it? That still have the same weight, then?

 

[rteetz]

The permits are for structures at those locations, but as far as I have read nothing states that these are specifically for transportation, just that they are unfamiliar structures, and people then began trying to connect dots. Admittedly I am going off of the initial posts on WDWMagic and the news articles I have seen pop up (which are a day or so old) so there may be something I don't know, but I have yet to see anything that specifies that is absolutely what these are for. It makes a lot of sense, but LOL's favorite saying really applies here I think.

Permits like this never really specify what exactly it's for especially SFWM permits. Yes TOTS but I have yet to see something not built that had permits filed for it in my time here. Sure there could be modifications to the permits but this is about as close as confirmation as we are going to get that these buildings are being built. With work set to begin this year and be complete by 2019 (which is stated in the permits) I can't see it not happening now.

 

[rteetz]

That does look like quite a hike from the proposed CBR tower to that load/unload spot.

Will you have to bus over to it? That still have the same weight, then?

That I'm not sure of but it's closer to the DVC portion of the resort than other parts of the resort. My guess is they will have an internal bus system.

 

[LSLS]

Permits like this never really specify what exactly it's for especially SFWM permits. Yes TOTS but I have yet to see something not built that had permits filed for it in my time here. Sure there could be modifications to the permits but this is about as close as confirmation as we are going to get that these buildings are being built. With work set to begin this year and be complete by 2019 (which is stated in the permits) I can't see it not happening now.

See this is where I've been wading too far into something I don't fully understand (I'm far from an architect/engineer). But my point with that first part has just been they could easily be buildings for a completely different reason as far as I have seen. It makes a lot of sense (especially with the shapes of the buildings) that they would be for a form of transport, but the permits don't completely verify that. I just wanted to make sure I was interpreting what we were seeing correctly.

 

[dlavender]

The red is where the new DVC building is being built, right?

Just seems that given the location of the load/unload, it's not really a DVC exclusive type thing.

Are they sectioning off that whole side of CBR for a DVC resort, where the red circle is? Just looks, as it is now, with just the tower, that CBR has better access to the new system than the DVC tower would.