Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[123SA]

I'm not sure what you mean by "booking windows," but I've heard that return times can overlap by 15 minutes. That is not confirmed.

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I think we’re talking about the same thing

I mean. If I pre-book space mountain at 9am, can I pre/book POC at 9:05? Or like the last version of FP+, would it have to be 10am? An hour apart.

 

[Tom_E_D]

Remy's demand speaks to an overall capacity issue that Epcot has (and still has as the Epcot overhaul was a failure). It's one of three rides in the World Showcase and doesn't have a height requirement. It's also an older ride as it opened in DLP in 2014 but can still get a 2 hour wait on peak days.

The fact that it opened in Disneyland Paris in 2014 means very little. Most of the people at Disneyworld have never been to Disneyland Paris. It's still a new ride for WDW.

 

[HopperFan]

I don't know the ticket prices for Universal, Cedar Point, Dollywood, Knott's Berry Farms and Carow, but I can get a season pass for Six Flags Great adventure near me for under $100 when a one day ticket at WDW is over $150.

Yes, I have a Six Flags season pass, VIP Diamond I got on a big sale for $90 (half off). To me that is irrelevant to the offering or price of the "Fast Pass" because Six Flags and Disney are totally different on all levels.

Six Flags offers nothing to enjoy other than rides, Six Flags has horrible expensive quick eat foods, Six Flags has no entertainment or shows (we have one randomly), Six Flags has zero customer service and when I go to Six Flags it is for a few hours then I leave as more people come in. I could never get value from their "Fast Pass" which is expensive. AND I imagine most of their customers can not afford it anyway.

Buying a one day ticket to Disney is a personal choice and should in no way imply Disney owes you free or super cheap "Fast Pass". I would state that the price of Disney tickets are quite reasonable compared to what you are getting. 12-15 hours of top tier entertainment and attractions. Decent dining options with ways to eat reasonable OR they let you bring in your own lunch. The CMs are mostly top quality, the stores, the bathrooms, everything it top quality. All of this is still cheaper than an NFL game, Broadway Show, good seats at a concert etc .. all of which is only a couple of hours of entertainment.

And I feel very very safe at Disney parks which is more than I can say for many of those others. And as I always say Disney World is an optional luxury vacation that no one needs. If it no longer gives you joy time to find a new place to visit. Vacations are too priceless to waste at places that don't make you happy and give you value for your dollar.

 

[Tom_E_D]

I think we’re talking about the same thing

I mean. If I pre-book space mountain at 9am, can I pre/book POC at 9:05? Or like the last version of FP+, would it have to be 10am? An hour apart.

Assuming the unconfirmed report is correct, 9:45. 9:00-10:00 and 9:45-10:45 would be the max allowable 15 minute overlap (from 9:45-10:00). So, it looks like 45 minutes apart, at least for rides. I don't know about LL return times for shows.

 

[miksicnarf]

I mean. If I pre-book space mountain at 9am, can I pre/book POC at 9:05? Or like the last version of FP+, would it have to be 10am? An hour apart.

I don't know about LLMP, but with the old FP+ I found that although you couldn't initially book overlapping times, you could later modify the time so that it overlapped. You'd get a warning message, but it worked.

 

[Smugpugmug]

The fact that it opened in Disneyland Paris in 2014 means very little. Most of the people at Disneyworld have never been to Disneyland Paris. It's still a new ride for WDW.

It still has that older feel compared to other trackless rides. Just like how Tron feels old despite being a new addition to WDW.

Still doesn't nearly deserve a 2 hour wait.

 

[Tom_E_D]

It still has that older feel compared to other trackless rides. Just like how Tron feels old despite being a new addition to WDW.

Still doesn't nearly deserve a 2 hour wait.

I think you're basing that feeling on a lot more experience than the typical WDW guest.

 

[Gentry2004]

It still has that older feel compared to other trackless rides. Just like how Tron feels old despite being a new addition to WDW.

Still doesn't nearly deserve a 2 hour wait.

Exactly. Even if I only had kids that didn’t meet any height requirement, I still wouldn’t stand in a 2 hour line for that ride. I wouldn’t even stand in a 1 hour line for that ride. I get annoyed standing in the super long LL for that ride!

 

[disney-inspired]

I may be the droid that they are looking for. I always prebooked attractions with the fastpass systems but have yet to purchase Genie or Lightning Lane selections (I hate being tied to a phone while on vacation). I found that between rope drop, overinflated posted wait times, and onsite stays of over 7 days with early entry, I was able to do everything that I wanted to do without Genie+.

I am actually considering purchasing this new system because of the prebook option so I will be closely watching what users report to determine if it's worthwhile for my touring preferences.

Same here. I think I've only bought an ILL once and it was for a big family trip as I really wanted them to experience ROTR and they don't go to WDW as often as I do. Also, I'm a rope drop person so I feel I get a lot accomplished in the mornings.
The overinflated times have gotten pretty bad; so I start my the stopwatch on my apple watch when I had to stand in line and found it several minutes shorter than what was listed.

Depending on price, I may buy the LLMP as well. I want to try it out going solo in August so I'm prepared for another big family trip in 2025.

 

[DisneyFive]

I always find this funny. If I could only choose one ride to go on between Remy, Frozen, TT or Soarin', I would pick Soarin' without hesitation! I understand that is not the best use of a Tier 1 LL, I won't use it there, but the fact is I prefer it to any of the other rides. Remy is cute but I don't get the crazy demand for that ride AT ALL.

Soarin may just be my all time favorite attraction in all of WDW but a LOT of that is purely based on nostalgia. (Don’t get me wrong I love the ride itself too). Our first visit ever was in 2010 and Soarin was the first ride that made us say “So this is what they’re talking about when they say Disney Magic.” The ride mechanism is genius, the added sense of smells, the immersive view and the awesome musical score. It just all added up to a real sense of wonder.

Having said that, so now that it has more theaters you can get very low wait times later in the afternoon/evening so it makes it an easy choice to choose a different attraction for my first tier 1.

 

[princesswahooey]

I guess everyone has started abbreviating the new LL Multipass as LLMP, and my mind reads it as "Lumpy" so I just keep picturing this:

 

[Jrb1979]

So that would be a yes, you would pay $100, $150, $200 per day per person (Universal is dynamic pricing) for it to be at Disney.

I would have no issue with that. I also know that it's priced that high to limit availability. The majority of guests use standby while maybe 10 to 25% of guests get short waits.

 

[Pyxie]

The main thing I'm wondering is if the pass for multiple parks/hopper will still cost more than a single park (except MK) as it does today. You can only make your initial selections in 1 park, but I'm assuming the system can see if you have hopper tickets or not. I'm curious if it defaults you to the multi-park pricing (if different) when you have hoppers or if it will let you choose 1 or multiple parks like it does today.

 

[Tom_E_D]

The main thing I'm wondering is if the pass for multiple parks/hopper will still cost more than a single park (except MK) as it does today. You can only make your initial selections in 1 park, but I'm assuming the system can see if you have hopper tickets or not. I'm curious if it defaults you to the multi-park pricing (if different) when you have hoppers or if it will let you choose 1 or multiple parks like it does today.

It appears there won't be a multi-park option. From the Disneyworld.com website: "Pricing for Lightning Lane passes varies by date and theme park or attraction, and purchase is subject to limited availability. Prices will be displayed in the My Disney Experience app."

I read "by . . . theme park" as meaning the park you make your first three selections in.

The website also says:

"When you purchase a Lightning Lane Multi Pass for a theme park, you’ll be prompted to choose up to 3 multi pass experiences and arrival windows in the same theme park.

Once you redeem a selection on the day of your park visit, you can use the My Disney Experience app to choose another multi pass experience in any Walt Disney World theme park (subject to availability), as long as you have a valid ticket with the Park Hopper option or an Annual Pass."

 

[spewey]

I guess everyone has started abbreviating the new LL Multipass as LLMP, and my mind reads it as "Lumpy" so I just keep picturing this: View attachment 871730

I'm referring to these as Lumpys from now on. Let's get that trending.

 

[CVG]

I guess everyone has started abbreviating the new LL Multipass as LLMP, and my mind reads it as "Lumpy" so I just keep picturing this: View attachment 871730

Limp and Lisp works for me.

 

[ML_LovesDisney]

I mean the vacation is Disney - your pool day is to relax. A beach trip is to relax. Disney is Disney.

FP+ was stressful. You still had to wait on standard lines. Genie+ was the change - you paid $ but you only had to wait on a line that didn’t HAVE Genie+ if you used it correctly. So much less phone time day of, much easier to plan (FP+ had such spordic times which often conflicted with dining!!). Genie+ was chronological order!!!

Now yes, there were a VERY small handful of rides that would sell out before 9, when you could also book (like many offsiters). Maybe SDD day would force you to be up at 7.

But not pre-planning with the old system means you didn’t know how to use it nor spent the time to learn it. Historically it was easy to find out what rides had immediate returns and what were later returns (thrill data). You could know that historically, on this day of your visit) by 11am you could still get a jungle cruise return anywhere between 3:45 and 4:15. Book it, go to your noon lunch ressie, book your next LL at 1pm. It worked well because it allowed data to be collected. This new system is a free for all, all based on personal decisions.

For those that want to get their monies worth (because 3 rides under genie+ is EXTREMELY LOW), there is no planning because we don’t know what times people will pick, nor give up because it no longer works, and even for rides that you could immediately hop on, like its a small world, pirates, dumbo, etc, this will now cause major conflicts day of with previously booked dining because the times will be all over the place (it’s no longer going to be released in chronological order, people can book whenever). More so, you could effectively use genie+ if you wanted to just wait the 2 hour rule and stack. You could line up a good amount of rides, again in chronological order, by evening. This new system does not allow this.

It will be harder to plan, except for those that are okay with using it for only 3 or 4 rides (why???). I don’t know what many people’s personal lives look like, but having to work also plays a role with now having to spend time doing this on a potential workday. Sure, I loved to pre plan but I like to after my kids go to sleep, not being forced to tell my boss I’m going to be late because I have to book Disney things, of which I’m already taking off for a week later and just was late 2 months ago because it was Disney dining day. It’s too much.

That's not how we do our Disney vacations, but to each their own. We like mixing up park and pool in the same day; we don't care about riding 10 rides. We relax on our Disney vacations as well. We enjoy the planning part and "set it and forget it" approach. I was on my phone nonstop with Genie+ so I think each person has a different experience and perception. No system will make everyone happy.

 

[Jrb1979]

That's not how we do our Disney vacations, but to each their own. We like mixing up park and pool in the same day; we don't care about riding 10 rides. We relax on our Disney vacations as well. We enjoy the planning part and "set it and forget it" approach. I was on my phone nonstop with Genie+ so I think each person has a different experience and perception. No system will make everyone happy.

Agreed. It's why I think they should have given those who want to plan and avoid the 7am wakeup the ability to book their first LL each day ahead of time. Then leave the system as is for everyone else. It would have been a better compromise.

 

[NYGoofy1889]

As a fan of afternoon arrivals and stacking, I am not a fan of the end of the 120 minute rule. Since the rule to book a new LL in any tier is to use one or after the LL window expires, I could see the use of "throwaway" LLs becoming popular for afternoon arrivers. In other words, book Remy for 3pm and book two tier 2 rides for as early as possible that you don't plan on riding or don't really need a LL (i.e. Figment & Nemo). Then from the comfort of the hotel pool or water park, etc at 10-10:30, book Frozen and Soarin when these 2 "throwaways" expire. Then you can enter EPCOT at 3pm with 3 tier one LLs stacked. Same for MK or HS.

 

[Minnie1222]

I guess everyone has started abbreviating the new LL Multipass as LLMP, and my mind reads it as "Lumpy" so I just keep picturing this: View attachment 871730

I like this name. Lumpy as in lumping all the passes together. Makes a lot of sense, unlike "Genie+".