Plan Ahead with Lightning Lane Entry at Walt Disney World Starting July 24

[Tatebeck]

I thought you aren't able to cancel them? Plus, which park would you go last to? Make sure to check LL availability on thrill data as if it is HS or MK, I suspect you won't be able to get many of your top choices at good times that close to park date

Well after we would use the multipass on the party day, that multipass is gone. When I would go back in to book the last multipass, the system should hopefully see that we have 2 reserved multipasses but we have at least 3 available park day tickets for everyone. We were planning on doing animal kingdom for our last day, so it would definitely work out, it's just a question of if their system lets us do it.

 

[jeneric997]

Well after we would use the multipass on the party day, that multipass is gone. When I would go back in to book the last multipass, the system should hopefully see that we have 2 reserved multipasses but we have at least 3 available park day tickets for everyone. We were planning on doing animal kingdom for our last day, so it would definitely work out, it's just a question of if their system lets us do it.

Well it's taking chance. I would suspect that when the party ticket is scanned instead of a regular admission ticket, the LLMP is not going to work. But who knows.

 

[Tatebeck]

I suspect that each time you scan a LL it is not checking your ticket status, etc. it is just checking to see if you have a LL reservation. The system is checking if you have a ticket/reservation before allowing you to book the LLs so it doesn't make much sense for them to program it in to check the ticket status as well as the LL reservation at the LL scan point when nothing else in the entire park system checks ticket status except the entry scanners. Their system mostly sorts itself out, my case is just a very niche one. But I guess we may find out!

 

[Tatebeck]

What happens if you booked a MP for a day where you end up skipping the park all together due to a storm or something and decide to move that park day to a different day at the end of your trip? Does the MP expire, you retain a valid ticket day, and can make another MP purchase for later in the trip? In this instance you would have purchased one more MP than number of valid ticket days over the course of the trip, just like my question. I feel this case is more common and would probably end up mostly answering my question as well.

 

[jeneric997]

What happens if you booked a MP for a day where you end up skipping the park all together due to a storm or something and decide to move that park day to a different day at the end of your trip? Does the MP expire, you retain a valid ticket day, and can make another MP purchase for later in the trip? In this instance you would have purchased one more MP than number of valid ticket days over the course of the trip, just like my question. I feel this case is more common and would probably end up mostly answering my question as well.

They say they are not refundable. This has been a complaint on here, what if there is a tropical storm....you could go to guest relations and try to get a refund. If they saw you went to the park anyway and just didn't use it, well I doubt you could get your money back. So in your case, if you show up to the party and try it and it doesn't work and then you go to GR and I guess say you didn't get to the park early enough(because they will see you made it for MK)... if I was a CM I would know exactly what you are trying to do and tell you tough luck, but I'm not a CM.

My DD is a CM, she has different media to get into the parks, if the system messes up and tries the wrong ticket, she can't get in(reservation) until she goes to guest relations and gets them to switch it. I'm pretty sure it has been proven that with Genie+ and others if you don't enter the park your MB/ticket won't work on the rides. Did people have success with Genie+ and entering just for a party? If it worked for that, then it might work. This seems like a lot of hassle to ride maybe 2 rides with the LL.

 

[Disneydawg74]

Well it's taking chance. I would suspect that when the party ticket is scanned instead of a regular admission ticket, the LLMP is not going to work. But who knows.

Or, worse, it will use one of your day tickets because you booked LLMP.

 

[msmith1026]

Seeing reports of guests having issues using disney gift cards for mp/sp. One person I was talking to said he had put enough money on his gift card to cover his seven day tickets. By the time he went to purchase his fifth day, gift card services shut the gc down for fraud (multiple errors when try to pay) He said he was on the phone with them trying to get it sorted for over an hour with them stating that it would take 48 hours to unlock the card. He did state he fought to get immediate access to his money but was wondering if anybody else was having this sort of issue. I was planning on using strictly a gift card since credit cards have been having issues, now it looks like this seems to be a problem too.

I purchased our LLMP / LLSP this past Friday using a Disney gift card. Purchased for 5 days, and had no issues.

 

[Tatebeck]

They say they are not refundable. This has been a complaint on here, what if there is a tropical storm....you could go to guest relations and try to get a refund. If they saw you went to the park anyway and just didn't use it, well I doubt you could get your money back. So in your case, if you show up to the party and try it and it doesn't work and then you go to GR and I guess say you didn't get to the park early enough(because they will see you made it for MK)... if I was a CM I would know exactly what you are trying to do and tell you tough luck, but I'm not a CM.

My DD is a CM, she has different media to get into the parks, if the system messes up and tries the wrong ticket, she can't get in(reservation) until she goes to guest relations and gets them to switch it. I'm pretty sure it has been proven that with Genie+ and others if you don't enter the park your MB/ticket won't work on the rides. Did people have success with Genie+ and entering just for a party? If it worked for that, then it might work. This seems like a lot of hassle to ride maybe 2 rides with the LL.

Thanks for the response! Hearing about CMs and others with various ticket types will probably help me figure this out. In your example it sounds like they weren't able to get in the park itself if they try the wrong ticket, right? Not that they weren't able to use a LL they had booked?

Whether or not the person got a refund in my example on a day they decided not to go to the parks, since that MP expired and they had valid days left on their ticket, they would be able to book a new LL MP reservation for a future date of their ticket though right?

I saw reports that they used to be able to BUY and USE genie+ LLs with just a party ticket, but then they made it so that you couldn't buy genie+ with just a park ticket anymore. So a party ticket doesn't let you BUY LL products by itself. But I have not heard any reports of anyone trying to use a LL reservation that they WERE able to book but on a day when they ONLY USED the party ticket. It is a very strange case so idk. I will have scanned in with a valid ticket, just one that normally doesn't let you BUY LLs. But if I used other valid tickets to BUY the LLs, will the Disney system let me USE the LLs is my crazy question.

If I don't hear any reports of a similar situation I may not even attempt it if wait times look reasonable from 4-7 on weekday party days. I just want to make sure that the family that are going with us that aren't AP holders or DVC like we are get to ride everything they would like and still see all the party stuff. Does anyone know what time Tiana's and Tron go to standby on party days? Is it 6 when the park closes or 7 when the party starts? That may make a difference as well

 

[Tatebeck]

Or, worse, it will use one of your day tickets because you booked LLMP.

Not really worried about that. They have very separate lines when it gets close to 4pm and I'm sure I can't be the only group that has members with both a party ticket and dated ticket but is only using the party ticket. Worst case if it tries to say the valid dated ticket was used I will just go to guest relations and they should be able to see that we had a party ticket and scanned in after 4pm and restore the dated ticket. I'm sure someone else has gone in the wrong line before.

 

[Dave006]

I suspect that each time you scan a LL it is not checking your ticket status, etc. it is just checking to see if you have a LL reservation.

You would suspect wrong. Disney fixed this basic issue with the original FP systems first update. Now with access to your MDE it is even easier to match your LLMP / LLSP to validate against your ticket entitlement (Disney term).

The system is checking if you have a ticket/reservation before allowing you to book the LLs so it doesn't make much sense for them to program it in to check the ticket status as well as the LL reservation at the LL scan point when nothing else in the entire park system

Yes it does make sense to check for your use of a valid ticket entitlement to enter the park. And Disney does this validation. Guests have tried multiple versions of what you are suggesting from the original FP, FP+, Genie+ and now LLMP / LLSP.

Again as I indicated previously, if you manage to play games with your tickets and purchase LLMP / LLSP for your MK day where you plan to use your Hard Ticket Event. If you don't use a normal Park Entry entitlement then you will not be able to redeem your LLMP / LLSP that you purchased if you enter the park on your Party ticket.

Dave

 

[Tatebeck]

You would suspect wrong. Disney fixed this basic issue with the original FP systems first update. Now with access to your MDE it is even easier to match your LLMP / LLSP to validate against your ticket entitlement (Disney term).


Yes it does make sense to check for your use of a valid ticket entitlement to enter the park. And Disney does this validation. Guests have tried multiple versions of what you are suggesting from the original FP, FP+, Genie+ and now LLMP / LLSP.

Again as I indicated previously, if you manage to play games with your tickets and purchase LLMP / LLSP for your MK day where you plan to use your Hard Ticket Event. If you don't use a normal Park Entry entitlement then you will not be able to redeem your LLMP / LLSP that you purchased if you enter the park on your Party ticket.

Dave

Oh so you have seen reports that someone had a LL reservation in their MDE account but they were denied entry into the LL? Can you please point some out to me? I have been searching but I cannot find anyone who has tried a truly similar situation

I am saying that I think that the LL scanners are ONLY checking for a LL reservation in MDE, while the park entry scanners are ONLY checking for valid entry media. They are checking for 2 different things. You are saying that the LL scanners are checking both your LL reservations AND what tickets you have? Again do you have any examples of this?

It seems like they are using the valid ticket media being in your account as the determining factor on whether you can BUY MP LLs or not, but I have not seen any reports of guests who WERE able to BUY the LLs get denied USING them, despite actively looking for these reports.

 

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[focusondisney]

Or, worse, it will use one of your day tickets because you booked LLMP.

If you enter thru the Event Entrance, it won’t take a regular day ticket. Those to points are programs for that specific ticket. If you try to get in there with a regular ticket, it will not turn green.

The issue would be.. is the LLMP associated with a specific ticket or with the person & park.

 

[honeymo78]

LL scanners are definitely not just checking for a LL reservation but whether the guest has entered the park, presumably on a valid ticket for the LL. For example, if you have a late sleeper, you can't use an early LL that was booked for that person by just using their MB if they haven't tapped into the park yet. While I'm sure you could purchase LLMP for the party day using one of the regular tickets, I have a feeling that when you went to tap into the LL, it wouldn't recognize that you had tapped into the park (because you didn't enter with the ticket the LLMP purchase is associated with), and you'd be out the money you spent on LL.

 

[Tatebeck]

LL scanners are definitely not just checking for a LL reservation but whether the guest has entered the park, presumably on a valid ticket for the LL. For example, if you have a late sleeper, you can't use an early LL that was booked for that person by just using their MB if they haven't tapped into the park yet. While I'm sure you could purchase LLMP for the party day using one of the regular tickets, I have a feeling that when you went to tap into the LL, it wouldn't recognize that you had tapped into the park (because you didn't enter with the ticket the LLMP purchase is associated with), and you'd be out the money you spent on LL.

Oooh that does sound like a pretty comparable situation. Have you seen a report of someone trying to use a LL of a person that didn't enter the park?

 

[focusondisney]

I am saying that I think that the LL scanners are ONLY checking for a LL reservation in MDE, while the park entry scanners are ONLY checking for valid entry media. They are checking for 2 different things. You are saying that the LL scanners are checking both your LL reservations AND what tickets you have? Again do you have any examples of this?

No, they’re also checking that the associated ticket was scanned INTO the park. If you go into a party using the event ticket entrance… the park ticket associated with the LLMP wasn’t scanned into the park. If you go thru the regular entrance expecting to use your LL., it will use your regular ticket & not the party ticket. So you’ve wasted 1 of your days & you won’t get your party wristband til you get scammed in for the party.

You can not buy LLs for every member of your family but only you go into the park & take everyone else’s MBs thinking you’ll get to ride multiple times by scanning their bands. If they don’t scan into the park, their LLs aren’t activated.

 

[Disneydawg74]

If you enter thru the Event Entrance, it won’t take a regular day ticket. Those to points are programs for that specific ticket. If you try to get in there with a regular ticket, it will not turn green.

The issue would be.. is the LLMP associated with a specific ticket or with the person & park.

I understand how the tickets work to special events. As you suggest, I’m thinking that you need a day park ticket for the LLMP. I don’t see how LLMPs can be made for that unless the system uses one of those tickets. I’m definitely thinking it can’t be done if they are only using the party ticket.

 

[honeymo78]

Oooh that does sound like a pretty comparable situation. Have you seen a report of someone trying to use a LL of a person that didn't enter the park?

I haven't seen one yet related to LLMP, but in the past this was talked about for G+ here on the boards (maybe in the big G+ thread) and even the Touring Plans G+ FAQ talked about needing to have tapped into the park to use LL.

 

[focusondisney]

I understand how the tickets work to special events. As you suggest, I’m thinking that you need a day park ticket for the LLMP. I don’t see how LLMPs can be made for that unless the system uses one of those tickets. I’m definitely thinking it can’t be done if they are only using the party ticket.

You said “it would take 1 of your day tickets”. Just pointing out if the poster goes in thru the event entrance, there is no way it will take a day ticket. They are only programmed for an event ticket at that point & would not allow entrance with a day ticket.

 

[Tatebeck]

No, they’re also checking that the associated ticket was scanned INTO the park. If you go into a party using the event ticket entrance… the park ticket associated with the LLMP wasn’t scanned into the park. If you go thru the regular entrance expecting to use your LL., it will use your regular ticket & not the party ticket. So you’ve wasted 1 of your days & you won’t get your party wristband til you get scammed in for the party.

You can not buy LLs for every member of your family but only you go into the park & take everyone else’s MBs thinking you’ll get to ride multiple times by scanning their bands. If they don’t scan into the park, their LLs aren’t activated.

Thank you, I didn't think about someone using one ticket and a bunch of LLs of people who had valid tickets but didn't want to use them that day or were annual passholders. Someone could then pay for a bunch of LLs for the rest of the party and just ride every ride over and over all day alternating magic bands.

This then makes sense why they would go through the extra work of having the LL scanners check both the LL reservation and if a guest has been scanned in that day. I was missing why they would make it harder on their system but that makes more sense now. They check the ID/fingerprint at entry so you can't activate anyone else's band but your own and then probably check if it's been scanned in at LL entry as well. I just like knowing how things work lol. Which makes me still tempted to try it just to see!

I understand how the tickets work to special events. As you suggest, I’m thinking that you need a day park ticket for the LLMP. I don’t see how LLMPs can be made for that unless the system uses one of those tickets. I’m definitely thinking it can’t be done if they are only using the party ticket.

Because you make the LLMP reservations before scanning in I thought that it may not matter. But they probably closed my niche loophole when they closed the loophole of someone using a bunch of LLs for people they know and have passes, but didn't come to the park that day