Percentages -- Anyone Know?

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I am very curious to know the following numbers, all on an average day...

1. What percentage of guests in the parks are staying at a Disney resort?

2. What percentage of guests in the parks pre-scheduled their Fast Passes?

3. What percentage of guests in the parks did extensive research and planning before their trip? (I realize this is pretty nebulous, but I'm still curious what people think.)

I'm quite sure Disney would not officially release the information for 1 & 2, but I'd love it if someone had some insider knowledge.

Or we can all just speculate as usual, that's always fun! :chat:
 
Oooh speculation. This oughta be good! :)

1. What percentage of guests in the parks are staying at a Disney resort?
I guess around 70%

2. What percentage of guests in the parks pre-scheduled their Fast Passes?
I guess around 75%

3. What percentage of guests in the parks did extensive research and planning before their trip?

Extensive research? 20%
Some research? 75%

That is I think most guests are now looking over the site and picking some rides to FastPass. In these %'s I'm grouping by families. That is, if a family has one active planner, I'd consider that whole group going in having researched. If you want to go by the actual number of individuals (given half of most parental groups are not into it, nor are most kids) then the planner-percentages would go down to about 1/4th of those numbers.
 
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Oooh speculation. This oughta be good!

1. What percentage of guests in the parks are staying at a Disney resort?

I guess around 70%

2. What percentage of guests in the parks pre-scheduled their Fast Passes?

I guess around 75%

3. What percentage of guests in the parks did extensive research and planning before their trip?

Extensive research? 20%
Some research? 75%

That is I think most guests are now looking over the site and picking some rides to FastPass. In these %'s I'm grouping by families. That is, if a family has one active planner, I'd consider that whole group going in having researched. If you want to go by the actual number of individuals (given half of most parental groups are not into it, nor are most kids) then the planner-percentages would go down to about 1/4th of those numbers.

I think about half of each of these numbers.
 
I think about half of each of these numbers.
I agree,no way are 70% of park visitors staying at a Disney resort,probably more like 25%-35%,you have hundreds or thousands of off site hotels as well as locals.People who pre booked FP I would say a little higher,maybe 35%-50%.As far as a percentage of those who did extensive research 10% max,some research close to the 35%-50% that also have FP's.
 

One day at AK last month, we started noticing how many people were wearing magic bands (onsite) to not wearing magic bands (off-site).

The VAST majority of guests did not have on magic bands. I would venture to say that less than 1 in 5 (20%) were wearing magic bands.

Yes, some people wearing magic bands could have purchased them even though they were staying off-site.

yes, some onsite people could have had their magic bands in their pockets.

Not a scientific observation, just an interesting observation. Most people were not wearing magic bands.
 
Dont forget local AP's who will have magicbands as well.Even if its only 25%-35% of park visitors who are staying onsite thats still a huge number.On any given run of the mill average day there could be 150,000-175,000 at the 4 parks and 2 waterparks,that's still like 50K at the Disney hotels.
 
It's totally offsite guests that drive park attendance. No way are 70% of park guests staying onsite. That's why you often see totally "sold out" onsite resorts (like last week, when we were there) and yet moderate crowds. In the summer, onsite occupancy drops and yet the parks are packed. Why? Offsiters.
 
All are low, the 3rd the lowest of all.

I guess
1. 25%
2. 30%
3. 15%
 
Completely my guesses, I have no insider knowledge:

1. What percentage of guests in the parks are staying at a Disney resort?
25-30%

2. What percentage of guests in the parks pre-scheduled their Fast Passes?
Honestly, probably less than 50%

3. What percentage of guests in the parks did extensive research and planning before their trip? (I realize this is pretty nebulous, but I'm still curious what people think.)
25-30%. I feel like it's a lot less than what most would think. Disers are the minority.
 
I'm quite certain the percentage of on-site vs. offsite varies considerably by season.
We've been to WDW almost every month of the year. I've long been in the habit of checking WDW hotel availability/park hours as a rough metric of what kind of crowds to expect.

I'm not going to attach numbers or percentages, but I'm sure that in September during free dining- onsite guest % is higher than a peak vacation week like Easter- when many off property hotels, condos and rental properties are relatively full. Last we went during free dining- onsite availability was very limited- especially at the values and mods. TS places were packed, but (most) ride lines were short. MK hours were very limited.

ALWAYS - weather is BIG factor. Pretty simple if you think about it. If you live half an hour from WDW, are you going to go on a day it is pouring? Windy and very cold? Maybe you WILL go for the 4th of July though - if mainly just to see some fireworks.

As for #3, you'd REALLY have to define your variables. I have extensive knowledge about WDW. You might say much of my methodology is tried and true, but I dismiss the idea that our visits are heavily planned. I'd say our touring style is opportunistic. I'm not in the habit of waiting an hour for *almost* anything. Unplanned, we simply go where the wait is short-est. If BTMRR has no wait- we ride it five times. If it has a 90min wait- we go to CBJ or even swimming.

I also agree one planner per family is likely the norm, but I also suspect the numbers of what WDW used to call "Grand Gatherings" (groups of 9 traveling together) going to WDW is also WAY down from - say - ten years ago. (pre-recession)
 
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but I also suspect the numbers of what WDW used to call "Grand Gatherings" (groups of 9 traveling together) going to WDW is also WAY down from - say - ten years ago. (pre-recession)
See, my feeling is the multi-family/extend family trips are up, or increasing. Many families are going to Disney less often but they are going with other family members to make it more of a Grand trip, so to speak. But I don't know what they were like 10 years ago so maybe, while there still seems to be a lot of them, they are down.
 
1. According to TouringPlans.com there are 30,469 on-site rooms, and 60,685 off-site rooms. Those numbers are published (WDW does say how many rooms each resort has, you just need to add them up). http://touringplans.com/walt-disney-world/hotels/number-rooms#

So by that measurement, the number of rooms on-site represents 33% of total rooms in the area.

Also, TEA's attendance numbers give 19,332,000 for MK, 11,454,000 for Epcot, 10,402,000 for AK, and 10,312,000 for DHS. Add them up: 51,500,000 for the year, divide by 365 = 141,096 people per day entering a theme park. If you assume 100% room occupancy, and 3 people per room, that equals 91,407 people onsite. That equals 64.8% of people being onsite. If you assume 90% hotel occupancy (27422 rooms), and 3 people per room, that equals 58.3%.

So somewhere between 33-60% But people have non-theme park days, non-Disney days, some people are on business trips (conventions), some are couples, some have large families. For convenience, I assume it's about 50%.

2. In statements made in early 2014, after the rollout of MyMagic+ to all guests. Bob Iger, Jay Rasulo and Tom Staggs would say that with legacy FP even after 10 years, only about half of visitors were using fastpass. And I think it was in a CM communication, that George Kalogridis said something like 2/3rds of on-site guests were using " advance My Magic Planning Tools." But there was no discussion about which tools they were using? Fastpass, dining reservations, simply looking up hours? Or when the time frame of usage was. Big difference between using tools more than 180 days, or more than 60 days before your trip versus the week or day before. I would guess there is a spike at 60 days, a spike at 30 days, and another spike within the last week, and a significant of guests don't do anything until they arrive. But percentages? I would guess that maybe 60% have at least 1 FP day. More people probably have DHS as a FP day than AK.

3. The DIS forum front page says there are 478,587 members. That's since the beginning of DIStime which was like May 2001, so there are a lot of accounts not being used anymore, 2nd accounts, etc. So maybe 100,000 people actively planning a vacation, so maybe 500,000 including all their friends and family they share with. 7 day vacations, so maybe 3.5 million vacation days out of 51.5 million or about 7%.

But here's the thing. 7DMT has like 1800 people per hour capacity. Over 12 hours, that's 21,600 people. Average MK attendance is 52,964 people. If 10% are heavy planners, that's 5296 people. That's 24.5% of 7DMT's daily capacity. Then you potentially have 47,668 fighting for 16,304 seats. Or basically 3 people for every remaining seat. And that's not even accounting for people who want to ride more than once. People like to say that others just need to "plan more." But the more heavy planners there are, the faster available seats disappear. If 25% of guests were heavy planners, that would mean 13,241 guests in the MK on a given day, and that's now 61.3% of 7DMT's capacity. Now, if you have something like a restaurant which can only serve maybe 150 people per seating and maybe only 4 seatings, you can see how even a small percentage of heavy planners can overwhelm a facility.
 
Where is the number of 300,000 guests from? I calculated around 160,000 typical daily attendance and 120,000 onsite resort stayers at 4-per-room (small rooms hold 4, larger rooms hold 10-12). That's around 75%. If there are actually 300,000 guests at the parks on a day, then I'm way off, but I heard on the order of 50,000 at the MK on a day (18M / 365). The other parks have much less attendance than the MK. I agree with Mickeyluv'r though, that it's seasonal. Since the onsite resorts are near full at all times, during slower times that % is a larger share of the total, and during peak times, more people are having to stay offsite. I think I posted 70% to allow a slight margin for Disney rooms not being 100% booked all the time.
 
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Where is the number of 300,000 guests from? I calculated around 160,000 typical daily attendance and 120,000 onsite resort stayers at 4-per-room. That's around 75% If there are actually 300,000 guests at the parks on a day, then I'm way off, but I heard on the order of 50,000 at the MK on a day (18M / 365). The other parks have much less attendance than the MK. I agree with Mickeyluv'r though, that it's going to be seasonal. Since the onsite resorts are near full at all times, during slower times that % is a larger share of the total, and during peak times, more people are having to stay offsite.

So out of curiosity, if you believe 70% are on site, what do you think the people staying in the 60,000 offsite rooms are doing?

http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/pdf15/HVS072915.pdf That tells us that LBV has 80% occupancy, I-Drive 74%, so lets just say 75%. However, they say the total number of rooms for those two areas is 76,000. EDIT: I just see, that unlike most of the Orlando hotel statistics, they are including Disney's resort rooms in this total.

So I am recalculating...

Alright, 76,000 rooms - the 23,451 rooms they assign to WDW, leaving us with 52,549 off-site rooms. 75% occupancy = 40,000 rooms-ish. So 120,000 - 160,000 people (3 or 4 person occupancy)

The average daily attendance for SeaWorld/Universal is 58,000 people. WDW has 141,000. Call it 200,000. So 70% of the time, people are going to WDW vs 30% for the other parks. Assume people are doing other things too, and drop it to 50%.

So that means 60,000-80,000 of those off-site people should be going to WDW. Or 42.5% - 56.7% of the average daily attendance is off-site, leaving 58-44% for on-site.

In order to reach your estimate of 70% on-site, leaving only 30% of, let's even use your number of 160,000 people at WDW daily (48,000). Again, there are 120,000-160,000 of people staying off-site in LBV and I-Drive. That means off-site people, despite staying in areas closest to the theme parks, are only visiting WDW 40% (assuming 3 person room) or 30% (assuming 4 person per room) of the time. And these off-site people can't even be visiting the other parks, otherwise attendance at those parks would be a higher percentage of WDW's. That stretches the bounds of my logic.

So working "backwards" and starting from off-site statistics, another reason why for convenience I just say 50% on-site/50% off-site.
 
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So out of curiosity, if you believe 70% are on site, what do you think the people staying in the 60,000 offsite rooms are doing?

Aside from the obvious things you mentioned (Universal, Seaworld, Legoland), how about general business Travel? Why are there several major hotels (Hyatt, Westin, Sheraton, Hilton) in my small town. I do not live in a big city, nor am I adjacent to a theme park. Yet I bet they are 75% full. People travel for all sorts of reasons... Disney-related, construction, business, commerce, environment, conventions, sales pitches, dances, proms, weddings, etc like every other city that has 60,000 hotel rooms but not Disney World. Oh can't forget Gatorland. ;)

I'll add... Orlando is the #1 spot for business conventions according to this...
http://www.cvent.com/en/sem/top-50-meeting-destinations-us-2012.shtml

Quoting...
Approximately 60 million people visit Orlando every year. While a large portion of the city's economy is driven by the tourism industry, the convention industry is also a crucial piece of the city's economic backbone. Moreover, Orlando competes with cities like Chicago and Vegas for hosting the most convention attendees in the United States. However, the area's economy is not completely supported by the tourism and convention industries. Several other notable companies operate out of Orlando as well: AAA, Darden Restaurants, Lockheed-Martin, SunTrust Bank, The Golf Channel, Scholastic, NBC Universal, and the Walt Disney Company to name a few. Metro Orlando companies have made global waves by producing innovations in life science, biotechnology, healthcare, modeling, simulation and training (MS&T), and digital media.

The Orange County Convention Center has the second-largest amount of event space in the United States. Orlando provides all of the necessary services to ensure the success of any Orlando meeting planning professional's work.

Next, according to this:
http://loyaltytraveler.boardingarea.com/2013/10/09/top-ten-u-s-cities-by-hotel-rooms/

Greater Orlando has around 120,000 rooms. Now we've accounted for 90,000 already. Are you saying that all the rest of Orlando's business is handled by the other 30,000 rooms we haven't accounted for? And that 90,000 out of the 120,000 rooms are dedicated to Disney or Universal? Meanwhile other major cities like Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta have 70,000, 90,000, or more rooms devoted to business travel but no Disney World... Orlando is the #1 spot for conventions, but does so with only 30,000 of it's rooms being devoted to that section?

I concur with your reverse-calculation that only 30%-40% of the 60,000 rooms nearby, when filled, are there for Disney.
 
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1. According to TouringPlans.com there are 30,469 on-site rooms, and 60,685 off-site rooms. Those numbers are published (WDW does say how many rooms each resort has, you just need to add them up). http://touringplans.com/walt-disney-world/hotels/number-rooms#

So by that measurement, the number of rooms on-site represents 33% of total rooms in the area.
You neglected to account for local attendees.

Where is the number of 300,000 guests from?
300,000 is total capacity across all four parks. No park has hit capacity on any give day in the past five years or so. So, 140k seems like a good number for average daily attendance.
 
You neglected to account for local attendees.

Ah, good point. Once you add in locals, that would make it even harder to reach Mr. Infinity's 70% on-site prediction. Yes, some percentage is staying at home/family member's house. Maybe 10-15%? So maybe 45% on-site, 40-45% off-site, and 10-15% local?

EDIT: Oh, and using Mr. I's source posted above. "In addition to its 450 hotels and resorts, Orlando also offers an estimated 26,000 vacation home rentals, 16,000 vacation ownership homes, " That's even more people that should be tilting toward a larger percentage of off-site visitors. But maybe those people are just there for the Outlet malls.
 
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Its 25%-35% most of the year,some dates it may increase to just over 40% like maybe during marathon weekend in January which has low crowds but a high percentage of runners staying onsite,then during peak dates in summer,spring break or Christmas the percentage may drop to like 20%.Locals might not be as big a percentage as Disneyland visitors but are still a significant percentage of visitors at WDW,and another option I'm not sure about are rental homes,I don't think those are counted on the hotels list are they,there's families that come with 8-10 people staying in those and those are all located up and down Kissimmee,Clermont,Davenport and the four corners area,add those into the mix that percentage is going to drop again.
 
I also get a figure of about 120,000 rooms in the Orlando (according to Cvent), but then Kissimmee lists another 22,330 rooms, Lakeland at 25 min away has 2,280 rooms, Daytona at an hour away has 12,000 rooms. Space Coast has 6,300, at a little over an hour from WDW. Tampa - 90 minutes away- has 18,900 hotel rooms.

We often travel to WDW via Tampa, and see LOTS of Mickey bands and WDW shopping bags. (a.k.a Disney carry-on luggage).

My point isn't that all those folks are going to Disney, but just randomly citing the number of hotel rooms in Orlando is far from enough information. I'm willing to bet, a far higher % of folks staying in Kissimmee are going to WDW, than the number of folks staying in downtown Orlando.

As for Daytona, during Daytona's Bike week, you'll see a good number of motorcycles in the MK parking lot. One year we happened to visit WDW the same weekend as the Daytona 500. The day we were supposed to go home, a huge blizzard canceled MANY flights out of FLA, including ours. We made the best of it, and added a MK day.* That morning, the TTC ticket windows were absolutely SWAMPED with folks wearing Daytona racing gear!

*Curiously, adding a day to your tickets is no longer an option in new WDW! If this even happens again, we won't be hitting MK!
 












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