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[Sandisw]

Also, if anyone gets an reports from MS, when calling, about when owners might get new policy info or updated rules…please share!

Just to see how consistent the answers are!!

 

[Sandisw]

I have so few points that renting isn’t even on my radar, but if I were, and I was doing everything I knew I was supposed to be doing, then I would carry on until I was specifically told to stop. If I was playing some shell game with those points, I would be looking over my shoulder right now. I think most people know which category they fall into, they just want some reassurance from the people making the decisions.

To add, there are a lot of owners renting within the 2008 policy rules because that was the policy when they bought and they have never been informed by DVC it has been changed.

It will be interesting to see if we get any reports that enforcement looks different!!!

 

[matt_in_nh]

Here is a question.
How does a commercial renter with large contracts even sell them? Or am I incorrect for assuming commercial renters have contracts any larger than the consumer oriented DVC owner? Our contracts are 200 points or less. I doubt I'd want them any bigger than 250 tops. Just makes it harder to divey up between the kids if it ever came down to that.

IF commercial renters have larger contracts, 300+ points per contract, aren't they harder to sell resale? I've seen a few resale contracts worth 500 points but not many. Would the commercial renter be hoping for ROFR?

Well looking at the contracts coming for sale, it is obvious they own lots of small contracts probably up to the 8K max points. With LLC's they could hide things to a degree. Basically they own the same types of contracts everyday people have, just lots of them.

contracts for sale have gone from mid 1200's to high 1400's since "the announcement"

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Also, if anyone gets an reports from MS, when calling, about when owners might get new policy info or updated rules…please share!

Just to see how consistent the answers are!!

I wish I had a legit reason to change names so I could inquire, but I also am on the more cautious side of interpreting the policy so I’m not going to make a fake spec rental name change request just so I can chat with member services about it.

 

[matt_in_nh]

I wish I had a legit reason to change names so I could inquire, but I also am on the more cautious side of interpreting the policy so I’m not going to make a fake spec rental name change request just so I can chat with member services about it.

Just read a Facebook post where the CM questioned hard when someone called to add a rando for a one night rental. It is friends and family it it is against terms and conditions. Of course everyone can be everyone else’s friend so it might just be “play the game”. But it sounds like they want to curb confirmed reservation rentals.

 

[Mouseforward]

Again, everyone forgets- the POS mentioned leasing as an allowed activity. And the contract only forbids commercial activity.

It simply doesn’t matter what new policies they want to put in place. It would require a vote, and the people who vote against in Florida would be grandfathered into the old terms. Condo law is very clear on that in Florida.

 

[lowlight]

Again, everyone forgets- the POS mentioned leasing as an allowed activity. And the contract only forbids commercial activity.

It simply doesn’t matter what new policies they want to put in place. It would require a vote, and the people who vote against in Florida would be grandfathered into the old terms. Condo law is very clear on that in Florida.

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

 

[Mouseforward]

Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

The law is written in black-and-white and it’s covered extensively in this thread. As are the POS conditions that are posted in this thread if you choose to ignore it that’s on you. None of this is my opinion.

 

[lowlight]

The law is written in black-and-white and it’s covered extensively in this thread. As are the POS conditions that are posted in this thread if you choose to ignore it that’s on you. None of this is my opinion.

This entire thread is nothing but a bunch of opinions.

 

[matt_in_nh]

The lawyers are here?

 

[muppets3d]

That same law also says the condo association has to allow you to put an EV charger in if you want to. Try telling Disney you're getting estimates to have an EV charger put in beside your 1 bedroom at Saratoga Springs.

These laws don't apply to timeshare condo associations...

 

[Mouseforward]

That same law also says the condo association has to allow you to put an EV charger in if you want to. Try telling Disney you're getting estimates to have an EV charger put in beside your 1 bedroom at Saratoga Springs.

These laws don't apply to timeshare condo associations...

Show me a Florida case that decided that point

 

[matt_in_nh]

Show me a Florida case that decided that point

respectfully I don’t think there is anyone in this thread show understands these laws and POS, how they apply, what Disney will actually do and what lawsuits may arise.

 

[Mouseforward]

respectfully I don’t think there is anyone in this thread show understands these laws and POS, how they apply, what Disney will actually do and what lawsuits may arise.

There’s literally an attorney in this thread, who broke it down extensively.

As for the false theory that it doesn’t apply to timeshare condos . It’s funny how it did apply when it came to the structural assessment laws for condos that were passed, and Disney had to do structural assessments of all of our timeshares.

 

[DonMacGregor]

It’s a qualitative & quantitative evaluation. The total number of points you own is the quantitative evaluation and how you manage your points is the qualitative evaluation. Either metric can “fail” you … if a member is found to own in excess of the number of allowed points by using deceit, that can trigger consequences. A member’s usage pattern can trigger consequences. The two metrics are independent and both are not required to be present for them to take action.

Bingo. I was going to just say that, but thought a real-world analogy might make more sense. Maybe not...

 

[lowlight]

There’s literally an attorney in this thread, who broke it down extensively.

As for the false theory that it doesn’t apply to timeshare condos . It’s funny how it did apply when it came to the structural assessment laws for condos that were passed, and Disney had to do structural assessments of all of our timeshares.

There are at least 4 in this thread that have self identified, and there is no consensus. There would be no need for lawyers if contract law was so black and white as to need no interpretation, or if every interpretation were the same.

 

[mkatsy]

The law is written in black-and-white and it’s covered extensively in this thread. As are the POS conditions that are posted in this thread if you choose to ignore it that’s on you. None of this is my opinion.

I’m assuming you’re resting your laurels on 718. meh … the law does ask 721 to play nice with 718 … BUT it recognizes that there may be conflicts and the State of Florida appoints itself as the final arbiter between 718 & 721 through the use of exemptions. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch … Disney is the state’s largest employer and they are back in the Governor’s good graces.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

The law is written in black-and-white and it’s covered extensively in this thread. As are the POS conditions that are posted in this thread if you choose to ignore it that’s on you. None of this is my opinion.

Nothing in the POS requires them to allow spec renting or requires an amendment to change it.

 

[Tatebeck]

Yeah before that post a few pages ago I was unaware of the wording that DVCs approval of a renter is only not required if you have already made the reservation in the renter's name. If the reservation isn't in their name already, they do not have to approve the name change/rental of the reservation. That may be key and an easy way to stop a pattern of spec renting

 

[Mouseforward]

Nothing in the POS requires them to allow spec renting or requires an amendment to change it.

POS would have to restrict, anything not restricted would be considered a right of the owner. Where does it say you can’t spec rent?