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Folks! Really, stop please. This thread is declining in to a theoretical debate of law instead of a thread where people offer their opinions on the actual website. Back on track please...

I have to admit while I hate walmart for a variety of reasons I don't think it is right to make fun of people to their faces and so the photos should have peoples faces blanked out. I also think they shouldn't allow people to make comments about the photos some of those comments are just wrong.

I also have to admit that while I just didn't get the humor in some of the photos (the guy with the western shirt :confused3) and thought they could be hurtful and some were just "OMG I can't belive someone's in public like that!" (the swastika, etc.:eek:) I did find it to be funny overall, especially the truck with the storm window and or the goats! - I mean how funny are those! :rotfl:
 
Places of public accommodation include a wide range of entities, such as ... retail stores, ...

http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/adaqa2.html
Please notice my use of the term "general" and "normally" (misspelled) in my response with regard to retail spaces. As for the terms of the ADA, retail spaces may be considered a "public accommodation", but that definition varies from state to state and law to law. Per many statutes retail spaces are not considered as such. I didn't say it was universal. My point holds... the notion of the "public accommodation" isn't the same as a "public space". All "public accommodations" are "public spaces", but not all "public spaces" are "public accommodations".


We can argue until the cows come home, but as it stands, each state does have its own separate laws and a private person being subject to ridicule--will not necessarily pass muster.
It's not really a matter of debating, it's a matter of the case law. If you know of a member of the general public that has successfully sued a publication for their use of an unaltered photo taken in the public that pokes fun at them that didn't involve something like a "wardrobe malfunction", a misrepresentation, or defamation in recent years, I'm all eyes.

Let's assume that they post a photo of a guy wearing a pink leotard on the web site and the guy decides to sue the web site for humiliation of a non-newsworthy person. During the lawsuit the guy takes the stand, and I envision this exchange would likely take place:

Defendant's Lawyer: Mr. Pink, is that actually you in the photo?
Mr. Pink: Yes.
Lawyer: Was it your idea to wear the leotard?
Mr. Pink: Yes. I wear it occasionally.
Lawyer: Were you on the way to a costume party and my client incorrectly made it appear that this was normal attire for you?
Pink: No.
Lawyer: Do you think it is embarrassing to shop at Wal-mart while wearing a pink leotard?
Mr. Pink: No.
Lawyer: Your lawsuit claims that my client posting your photo to his web site caused you extreme mental anguish and embarrassment, but can you explain for us why you think walking through a store full of customers in that outfit is not embarrassing, but someone publishing a photo of you doing so is unbearably so.
Mr. Pink:........


A child star having once had celebrity status, is not necessarily in the same category as a woman who overdid it a litle with liquid eyeliner.
Correct, but ironically in the same case the court also said that one of the reasons that they found for the magazine was that their descriptions of things like the former child math-wiz's odd manner of public dress as an adult was presented in a truthful manner.

In fact, across several photography boards, they mention subjects who are just in the background as opposed to being featured. Being part of the crowd--not an issue. Featured as a focal point in a photograph--it could be an issue.

Note, I say "could"--not that it "is" without question.

Likely if any of these individuals knew they were on this website, they likely could request to have their photo taken down and reasonably expect to be accomodated.
You are correct that nothing is etched in stone and judges may decide to change precedent and there's always an "if", "could", or a "maybe", but I'm not aware of cases of these fears coming to pass in court decisions.

You are probably right that if someone asked to have their photo removed from the site that the operators would likely oblige them out of courtesy, but I doubt that if they refused they would have any legal ramifications. I'm sure that people have probably already tried to shut them down, Wal-mart themselves at the very least. You can't be legally faint of heart to run a site like that one.

Photos of cars and goats and people with faces concealed--would have a bit more of a challenged. So pink shorts dude, dude with boxers fully exposed and butt crack shots--I'm not so sure they'd have much luck.
You're correct... Another standard for invasion of privacy is whether the general public could readily identify the person in the photo as being you instead of someone else. If a judge / jury can't make such a determination, the case likely stops there.

I personally do not find the website a violation of the right to privacy. But that is based on my knowledge from when I graduated from a school of journalism and communications many moons ago. But that was before the internet exploded and took a life of its own. (back when they had no google and searching for information on the internet was cruel and unusual punishment.)
I think you're assessment is correct. I think you'll find that as the "old" media world fades, most of the legal precepts will move over to the "new media" of the Internet.
 
Folks! Really, stop please. This thread is declining in to a theoretical debate of law instead of a thread where people offer their opinions on the actual website. Back on track please...
Fair enough... I think the site is mean spirited in general and I think it's completely unfair to Wal-mart... but I understand it's appeal to irrational Wal-mart haters out there. I've been to the local "good" (read "Union") competitor of Wal-mart late at night and seen plenty of equally scary folk there. I think it's often a case of "they come out at night" instead of "freaks like Wal-mart".
 

did anyone quote the OP yet. I would hate to have missed the rule.

Mikeeee
 
We can argue until the cows come home, but as it stands, each state does have its own separate laws and a private person being subject to ridicule--will not necessarily pass muster.
Remarkably, though, the laws that apply to a website such as what we're referring to are the laws of the state that the website is hosted in (as well as federal law), or in the case of a website hosted abroad, the laws of (or lack thereof) the nation that the website is hosted in. The state laws of the state that the photos were taken in can only be applied to the act of taking photos.

A child star having once had celebrity status, is not necessarily in the same category as a woman who overdid it a litle with liquid eyeliner.
Indeed, the celebrity might have more standing because the website could be accused of capitalizing on the celebrity's recognizability.

Featured as a focal point in a photograph--it could be an issue.
The reasons for that were mentioned earlier in the thread. It is not an absolute.

Note, I say "could"--not that it "is" without question.
And that's the same as what Geoff and I said earlier.

Likely if any of these individuals knew they were on this website, they likely could request to have their photo taken down and reasonably expect to be accomodated.
Maybe. I doubt we could ever know if the law would back up their request, because it is likely that the folks running the website would do so voluntarily.
 
Folks! Really, stop please. This thread is declining in to a theoretical debate of law instead of a thread where people offer their opinions on the actual website. Back on track please...
Arguably, the discussion of the law is more appropriate than the discussion of the content of the website. And more important generally.
 
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As for the terms of the ADA, retail spaces may be considered a "public accommodation", but that definition varies from state to state and law to law.
The citation I provided was to a federal law. With respect, that terminology is correct nationwide. Remember, we're talking about words and whether they apply. Again, with respect, they do. It is very important, for many of us, for folks to recognize that retail stores are public accommodations, not just public places. We worked hard to get such tenets into the ADA.
 
The citation I provided was to a federal law. With respect, that terminology is correct nationwide.
Correct... if you are limiting your discussion to the provisions of the ADA, but that wasn't the notion being discussed. Here was your original assertion:
All retails stores open to the public are public places, with regard to the law. The technical term is "public accommodation".
The term "public accommodation" without reference to a specific statute is meaningless... which was the point of my objection to your generic use of the term. Something's status under Federal law can change from law to law. For example, groups like the Jaycees are considered a "public accommodation" under Federal law (the courts have held) when it comes to gender discrimination law, but not one under the ADA. Federal law considers retail spaces as a "public accommodation" when it comes to accessibility issues covered by the ADA, but not in other respects such as when it comes to law and legal interpretations regarding things like free assembly or free speech. However five states do have laws on the books that do give rights for protests, political activities, and peaceful assembly on a retailer's property... Here's a discussion of Colorado's law that extends public accommodation status to shopping malls and retail parking lots for free speech and assembly as modern day "town squares".

Your initial assertion was like someone saying "Those things with 4 wheels on the highways are called 'cars'" and you then reply with "Yes, but the technical term for them is 'Fords'."

Moreover, none of this has anything to do with the issue that was being discussed by the person you were responding to. "Public Accommodations" have zero to do with privacy issues in public places. The terms "public spaces" and "public accommodations" are not interchangeable.

(Sorry to be a 'buzzkill', people.)
 
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No one forced them to dress and act like whackos. When you go out in public looking like that, you're fair game for ridicule.

And who are we to be so much better and decide what anyone else wants to wear. Last time I looked we don't live in Stepford. So to you they look odd well maybe you do to them that doesn't mean you should laugh at them or treat them with so much disrespect.
 
And who are we to be so much better and decide what anyone else wants to wear. Last time I looked we don't live in Stepford. So to you they look odd well maybe you do to them that doesn't mean you should laugh at them or treat them with so much disrespect.

:rolleyes:

I think most of us do not go out of the house looking like a spectacle.
 
:rolleyes:

I think most of us do not go out of the house looking like a spectacle.

So the woman in the turquoise jewelry and sequined tank top is trying to look like a spectacle? I don't get it. It's not what I'd wear, sure, but that's the reason there are so many different styles.

I understand if this mindset were coming from a middle-schooler ("Let's wear dresses tomorrow!"), but I'd expect better from an adult.
 
Arguably, the discussion of the law is more appropriate than the discussion of the content of the website. And more important generally.

Yes, but I don't want the mods to shut this down as political. I'm interested in what people have to say about the site, not the legality of it.

So the woman in the turquoise jewelry and sequined tank top is trying to look like a spectacle? I don't get it. It's not what I'd wear, sure, but that's the reason there are so many different styles.

I understand if this mindset were coming from a middle-schooler ("Let's wear dresses tomorrow!"), but I'd expect better from an adult.

Yes, and really some of them I just shrug and say what's funny about that, but let's face it anyone who goes to Wal-mart wearing a semi-sheer bright yellow dress with smiley face :) underwear is looking for attention.

And some of these people do know they stand out because they are obviously posing for these photos. (Lady with nails, girl with genitalia shorts).
 
So the woman in the turquoise jewelry and sequined tank top is trying to look like a spectacle? I don't get it. It's not what I'd wear, sure, but that's the reason there are so many different styles.

I understand if this mindset were coming from a middle-schooler ("Let's wear dresses tomorrow!"), but I'd expect better from an adult.

If I see someone who is a size 22 wearing size 2 short-shorts and their butt cheeks are hanging out, or someone with size 50 ZZZZ ****s wearing a see thru t-shirt with no bra, or someone dressed like a superhero, I will look and laugh all I want. I am only human and will never claim to be a saint. :littleangel:

Some people like to shock. Some people enjoy being oggled and some people like to get indignant about everything other people do.
 
And some of these people do know they stand out because they are obviously posing for these photos. (Lady with nails, girl with genitalia shorts).
Maybe they knew they were having their photo taken, but did they know it was going to be posted on the internet for all to see?
 
And who are we to be so much better and decide what anyone else wants to wear. Last time I looked we don't live in Stepford. So to you they look odd well maybe you do to them that doesn't mean you should laugh at them or treat them with so much disrespect.

I only go out in public dressed like a freak once a year on Halloween. These people run their freak show on a daily basis. It's sad in a way because these people obviously do not have any friends. A friend wouldn't let anyone go out of the house looking so messed up.

Of course it is also sad if any of these people have mental challenges.
 
I only go out in public dressed like a freak once a year on Halloween. These people run their freak show on a daily basis. It's sad in a way because these people obviously do not have any friends. A friend wouldn't let anyone go out of the house looking so messed up.

Of course it is also sad if any of these people have mental challenges.
It could be Halloween. I don't see dates on any of the pictures. And saying they don't have friends because of how they look? That's kind of shallow. And I hope none of them have any mental challenges, but if they do, I hope you feel even better about yourself, making fun of them. :sad2:
 

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