Parents, why did you decide to have children?

I just wanted to clarify something, by "having goals" for your child I don't mean getting A's in school or being a great athlete. I was thinking more wanting a child to be self confident, respectful, kind - those sorts of things. I guess I used to the wrong words, but I was thinking more values than goals, and how you would instill them. Sorry if there was any confusion there.
 
LuvOrlando said:
You are trying to rationalize a desire to have kids which is as old as time. I have to wonder why? Having a family is about as reasonable as our collective love of all things Disney and our desire to fly there and drop thousands of dollars on fun and frivolity.

I get your point, but the thing is I'm not actually sure the feelings of wanting a child are because I really want one, or because I'm wanting to replace something that will be missing. I don't think it should be the job of anyone, particularly a child, to be a fill for a giant hole in my life. That to me is not a great reason for kids. But I can't deny that I'm (we're) thinking about it. Honestly, if at the end of the day all I can come up with is that I really want a baby to distract me from the pain of my mother's death, then you can bet I won't be going off my birth control any time soon.

On an unrelated note, giving Disney all my expendable income makes perfect sense. :thumbsup2
 
To answer your first question, the first 20 minutes of the movie Idiocracy sold me on procreation (I'm mostly kidding, but it was a bit of a wake up call).

For your second set of questions, no, we didn't talk about all of those things too specifically. We did discuss what we would do if pre-natal tests showed something abnormal, only because we wanted to be on the same page well before that point. We certainly never discussed the idea of twins, that was a huge shock that threw us for a loop, because we both knew that would be a lot more of a strain on everything.

I don't think it's abnormal to want to find a "replacement" for a loss. I don't know the details of your mother's condition, but I do know that one thing that was pushing me was the ability to have my parents and grandparents meet my children. Is there part of you who wants to say to your mom "I'm pregnant" or have her meet you child?
 
So, parents, (even those who "just knew") did you consider what you would do if the child had disabilities, either physical or mental, and the implications a disabled child would have on your marriage? Did you talk about what could happen if you ended up divorcing? Did you talk about how your relationship would change and when and what circumstances would require you to put the marriage first? Did you think about where the support would be in terms of family and friends? Could you see the whole future laid out in terms of being the parent to a teenager vs. having a baby? Did you ever consider adoption or was it biological or nothing? What about your goals for a child, did you think about what they were and how you as parents would nurture those goals? Did you look at other couples and think about their parenting and what you admired vs. didn't like? Maybe I'm the odd ball here, but there seems to be a lot to think about...

I get that at some point you take a leap of faith. I just think there are emotional, physical, and social consequences to be considered. If this means we are not meant to be parents, because we're thinking it through vs. just knowing it's suppose to be, then we'll arrive at that conclusion. As I said, I respect the people who "just knew." But I'm not one of them. And I don't think "just knowing" makes for a better parent, either. Just because you feel you want to do something, doesn't guarantee you'll be good at it.

Right now I'm facing the upcoming death of my mother. I don't want to just react to this by having a child, because I know that's where part of the desire is coming from (for both of us, my husband lost his parents as a young child and is very close to my mother). So we're talking about it, and all the implications. We're examining our feelings and being open and honest. I do apologize that this doesn't work for some people.


I'll try to answer there:)

1. Sure I thought about the possibility of having a child with disabilkities. I had worked with many children with disbilities over the years and I know those kids need loving parents at least as much, if not more than, "normal" kids. DH and I are the typed of couple who only get closer through difficulties so I was not really worried about our marraige. I will say the thoguht htat a severly disabled child could end up in my care for teh rest of my life (which could easily have been 40-50 or more years since I had my first at 24) gave me pause, but it was more of a well if that is what life throws me I will cope kind of thing. I worried more about this the second time around--the idea that I could have a very high needs child who might make it hard for me to be a good mother to the new child and my first was a little scary. But, I knew how much I loved my first and i knew we would be very concious of teh effect of the new child on her no matter what so I was not overly concernec about it. I also had the odds on my side. I was a young, non smoking, non drinking, very healthy mom. Chances were high I would have healthy babies.

2. Nope-- never think of anything from the what if we divorce angle. Many people would say I am naive, but I truly cannot picture my life/future without DH in it. FUnny, when we got married (after being together 5 years) SEVERAL people at our wedding randomly commented to me that ours was the frist wedding in a long time they had been to that the KNEW would work. My aunt asid we were both oging in with our eyes wide open and our hearts full of love and she could see we would last. Maybe people always say that kind of stauff to the bride and groom at weddings:confused3 I don't know. It struck me that so many people saw what we see and told me about ti that day though.

3. Did we talk about how our relationship would change? Aagin, not so much. We are on very muc hthe same page pretty much always. We talked about me staying home, we talked about finances, etc. AS far as when to put what first, our family always comes first. Sometimes that means us adults need thigns more than the kids and sometimes it means the kids (or one kid) neads things more than the adults. I do think it is a mistkae to focus on children to the exclusion of a relationship with one's spouse (we do think that is bad for chidlren too--makes them too self cetnered and does not model a healthy relationship and often ends up causing them to become chidlren of divorce).

4. We have never livecd near family. No real support there. Never expected it. We get along well with them, and my mother did come to help me the first few days after each child was born, which was nice.

5. Did I see the whole future? Well, yes I assumed the children would grow up and I would parente teens, etc. I really like teens and have worked with them a lot so that is good with me. I didn't have children becuase i wanted a baby--I had chidlren becuase i wanted to raise babies into adults.

6. We wanted children. Adoption would haev been a fine way to have them. We were going to give it no mroe than two years of trying (no expensive fertility treatments) before trying to adopt. It was a non issue--I was due with my first exactly 9 months from my wedding day!

7. Values (I saw the subsequent post)--Honestly I did not think a whole lot about this. It seemed like a no brainer to me. Treat my kids how I want them to treat the world, teach them what i believe more from example than ahything else, but talk about it to and and love them. It's working so far. Note: we do not believe in God and have only a loose affiliation with a very "open" (for lack of a better word--it is early) religion so taht did not really factor in for me.

8. Having worked with preschoolers and teens for a while (adn been the go to teen for many friends who had paretns they could not talk to, and having paretns who were more like kids than parents myself) sure I saw things I liked and did not like in other parents. I picked up a lot of good things that way (and knew to avoid some things) but I never tried to emulate anyone else--I have to be a paretn in my way, you know?


I get your point, but the thing is I'm not actually sure the feelings of wanting a child are because I really want one, or because I'm wanting to replace something that will be missing. I don't think it should be the job of anyone, particularly a child, to be a fill for a giant hole in my life. That to me is not a great reason for kids. But I can't deny that I'm (we're) thinking about it. Honestly, if at the end of the day all I can come up with is that I really want a baby to distract me from the pain of my mother's death, then you can bet I won't be going off my birth control any time soon.

On an unrelated note, giving Disney all my expendable income makes perfect sense. :thumbsup2

Honestly, if that is what you come back to, then I agree do not have a child. If you need a distraction, get a hamster (or other pet with a shorter life span), coach a youth sports team for a season, redecorate your home or pour all your energy into planning a Disney trip. I am very, very sorry to hear baout your mother. That msut be truly difficult:hug:
 

We decided to have a baby while on the Disney cruise. Before that, we had been feeling like something was missing in our lives/we wanted more--but seeing all those parents with their kids really made me open up my eyes to having kids and how great it can be. We were married for 6 years before my DD was born.

She did have issues like you asked about. She was diagnosed with a rare fever disorder that resulted in many trips to the childrens hospital and a few developmental delays that we are still dealing with now that she's almost 5. But those are all very minor issues in the scheme of life and we love her so much. She has also made great strides, and I'm very proud of her.

We didn't even debate about having our DS. We had him when DD was 16 months--before we knew about her issues. He's been a perfect addition to our family. We had him quickly b/c I wanted to stay home with them, but I never stopped working. I like working and that's important to me.

Now that they are 3 and 4, we're debating--much like you are--about having number 3. You're right, you just never know. But what in life is really a guarantee anyway? It's all part of the ride.

I do recommend thinking about the future, though. What are your goals in life? What makes you really happy, and how ready are you to give a good amount of yourself to someone else? Or, how would you feel when you're old and don't have grandkids? Think way way out.

Good luck with whatever you decide. And God bless with your mom.
 
I have been trying to formulate how to say something in regards to the "just knowing" concept. I guess there are two things one might mean by they "just knew" or "always knew" In the one sense it can mean the person has not put enough thought in and has a (possibly) equally good chance of being a good or bad parent. This would be "just knowing" in the same way that one decides to vacation in Hawaii rather than Mexico without doing any research bacuse one has "always wanted to go to Hawaii" when all one really knows about Hawaii is taht it has palm trees, beaches and hula skirts.

On the other hand, thes BEST at just about anything (parenting, teaching, actors, fire fighters, you name it) are the people who often describe themselves has having always wanting to do ____________. It is beyond just a monir, in the back of the mind want in these cases. It is more like a calling, being driven to be whatever it is. Since you (OP) are a teacher I will say that the very best teachers I ever knwe ALWAYS wanted to teach, and to a very large extent were always teaching. They were the kids who helped tehir classmates learn to read in first grade and got their friends through geometry in highschool, etc. These people do not need to put much thoguht into choosing their profession-it already chose them when they were tiny and to some extent they have been in "training" for it ever since because when you want to be something that clearly your whole life you notice all the otehr people doing it and what they do well and what doesn't work and you practice it (teaching your friend to tie his shoe or your roomate to write a better English paper) constantly. It becomes a part of who you are. I feel sort of like that about paretning. I ALWAYS was always driven to be a pernt an always was a parent like figure to those around me. I was the kid who comforted the injured classmate, cooekd for my parents when they had a long day because I wanted to take care of them, made sure my friends in high school had condoms when they were too scared to buy them but "needed" them (and lectured talked to them about the importance of maturity, safe sex, etc.), had most of the dorms (including the RAs) comming to me with problems instead of the RAs, etc. Oddly, it seems to me that otehrs should find this annoying as heck--but they keep seeking me out so I guess not:confused3
I hesitated to post this because I feel it can come across as me saying I am the best parent (I am NOT, I make my fair share of mistakes and I have days when I feel really lost) and may come accross as arrogant. I just mean to say that for some of us, this is just WHO we are. It comes so naturally to me (though I still work at being better; just as good actors and teachers always work harder to improve and are generally their own worst critics) that I did not have to go through any great questioning process to convince myself to have chidlren (or not).
For what it is worth--I don't think there is anything at all wrong with not having children if it is not for you. My sister in law has no plans to ever have children of her own. She is a lawyer (and yes a darned good one and yes felt called to it for most of her life)and has certainly done more for the children of the world in her way than I ever will. I love that I am able to be what I most desire to be and she is able to be what she most desires to be as a well.:goodvibes I have never felt taht someone is less valuable to society or less fufilled or less of a family just becuase they do not have children.
 
I just wanted to clarify something, by "having goals" for your child I don't mean getting A's in school or being a great athlete. I was thinking more wanting a child to be self confident, respectful, kind - those sorts of things. I guess I used to the wrong words, but I was thinking more values than goals, and how you would instill them. Sorry if there was any confusion there.

I personally think it's a great thing to think about the values you want to try to instill in your child! We did it! That can actually be a pretty sticky situation in a marriage if not spoken about before hand, especially when extended family gets involved. I think you are on the right track! It's good to discuss these things with your husband, and to evaluate the real reasons behind wanting a child! If you do have children there will be many, many surprises along the way! Many things to discuss and analyze and debate! I think it's a good thing that you are trying to work some of them out before hand. Good luck with your decision! I hope it brings you peace what ever it ends up being!!
 
I agree!

Ember, I'm one of the people who was talking about "just knowing" and taking a leap a faith. I don't think you're an oddball, though. With my first child it was a very emotional decision. If I'd been relying purely on reason I wouldn't have had him, because I came up with so many more concrete reasons not to have a child (the changes in lifestyle, the possibilities of something going wrong, the fear that I'd be a bad parent. . .) and not that many concrete reasons to have one. It was that "just knowing" that tipped the balance. On the other hand, when we thought through whether to have another child the "just knowing" wasn't there. There were reasons we thought we should, and reasons we thought we shouldn't, and we finally decided that unless we both were sure about it we wouldn't have a second child. The fact that we never "just knew" about a second child sort of made the decision for us, if that makes sense. So for me, that lack of "just knowing" is a reason not to have a child.

Wow! This is amazingly well thought out. I have been struggling with the "will I, won't I" thoughts about child 2, but now I realize that the "just knowing" is what is missing. I believe you are totally right - the "just knowing" is very important. Thank you for your post. :flower3:
 
NHdisneylover said:
I have been trying to formulate how to say something in regards to the "just knowing" concept. I guess there are two things one might mean by they "just knew" or "always knew" In the one sense it can mean the person has not put enough thought in and has a (possibly) equally good chance of being a good or bad parent....

On the other hand, thes BEST at just about anything (parenting, teaching, actors, fire fighters, you name it) are the people who often describe themselves has having always wanting to do ____________. It is beyond just a monir, in the back of the mind want in these cases. It is more like a calling, being driven to be whatever it is. Since you (OP) are a teacher I will say that the very best teachers I ever knwe ALWAYS wanted to teach, and to a very large extent were always teaching. ...

Hmmm, I didn't always want to be a teacher either. My original plan was to go into animation and I obtained a Fine Arts degree and an acceptance letter to Sheridan before deciding the field was too unstable. Then I spent a year volunteering in classrooms all over the city before deciding to go back for an after degree in Education.

The only refute I have to your argument would be the personal experience between my best friend and I. She "just knew" she was going to be a teacher, it was all she had ever wanted to do. With single minded determination she plowed through school, then university and got a teaching job. I, on the other hand, and as I do with everything in life, came into teaching after a lot of thought and consideration. It was my second stab at a career.

She has taught for seven years now still says she loves it. But her words and actions don't match. Starting in September she starts the countdown until the summer. Every time you talk to her she'll tell you how stressful her job is. She complains constantly about her students. But she "loves" her job. I think because this is all she ever conceived of doing, she is unable to wrap her mind around the idea that she doesn't enjoy it as much as she thinks she should. There's a cognitive dissonance that she simply can't cope with.

I will also tell you that I love my job. I get up every morning looking forward to seeing my students (and I know you have only my word here). Right now, I find work to be my break from my home life with my mother, it's not stressful there it's stress relief. While there's no real way to compare fairly, I feel I'm the better teacher. Our social circle have all noticed that I really do seem to love my job, I don't just say I do. I'm that teacher that goes to the student's hockey games and piano recitals - because I feel the more you know your students the better you can teach them. I also think that I'm in the better position if it ever came to leaving the profession. If I ever felt I wasn't giving my students the learning environment they deserve, I would leave and do something else. Because there's no intuitive feeling this is what I "should" be doing, I won't ever be that teacher who's been there for years too long simply I can't see myself doing something else.

I realize this sort of comparison in no way equals anything conclusive in the slightest. But I do think a well thought out choice doesn't always play second fiddle to an instinctive knowing. As I said, I've never "just known" anything in life and I seem to be doing okay so far.

Edited to add: If "just knowing" was always the right way to go, then why do so many marriages end? I would bet the majority of people on their wedding days would say they just know it's going to last. But 1/2 of them are wrong. That's rather a lot of certainly that turned out to be false... Of course, with children there's no going back if it turns out an individual wasn't as sure as they thought they were several years in.
 
I think something that weighs very strongly in this discussion are personality types and thinking styles.

OP - it sounds like you are an analytical or control type thinker and you like to make decisions that are well thought out and are logical.

I think those of us who are greatly influenced by the "just knowing" thing are probably more emotional or intuitive thinkers. We base our decisions on different things.

Neither side is better, just different. What influenced someone else may not influence you at all. I think it's great that you are taking this decision so seriously. A lot of people take parenthood too lightly - it is a lifelong commitment and needs to be seen as such.

OP - I wanted to respond to your question about marriages ending. I believe lots of people marry for the wrong reasons. They don't "just know" that their partner is the "one". They may know they don't want to be alone or they may feel they won't meet someone else. :confused3 Of course there are other reasons like infidelity and people changing, but most people I know who divorced in the first 5 years of marriage never should have married in the first place.
 
OP, I know you have alot going on right now. I think it's perfectly normal to be thinking the way you are. I don't think having the conversations and doing the thinking you are doing is wrong and doesn't mean you shouldn't have children.

I do think you should take a year and just let yourself grieve when your mother passes on to home. Let yourself and your husband be together again and start a new phase in your life. Let the hole in your heart heal some before you have the children. Have a child to try to fill the hurt in your heart still won't help the grief from the loss and stress you have and will be going through.

I'm sorry for you and your family. I understand how difficult it is. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.
 
Hmmm, I didn't always want to be a teacher either. My original plan was to go into animation and I obtained a Fine Arts degree and an acceptance letter to Sheridan before deciding the field was too unstable. Then I spent a year volunteering in classrooms all over the city before deciding to go back for an after degree in Education.

The only refute I have to your argument would be the personal experience between my best friend and I. She "just knew" she was going to be a teacher, it was all she had ever wanted to do. With single minded determination she plowed through school, then university and got a teaching job. I, on the other hand, and as I do with everything in life, came into teaching after a lot of thought and consideration. It was my second stab at a career.

She has taught for seven years now still says she loves it. But her words and actions don't match. Starting in September she starts the countdown until the summer. Every time you talk to her she'll tell you how stressful her job is. She complains constantly about her students. But she "loves" her job. I think because this is all she ever conceived of doing, she is unable to wrap her mind around the idea that she doesn't enjoy it as much as she thinks she should. There's a cognitive dissonance that she simply can't cope with.

I will also tell you that I love my job. I get up every morning looking forward to seeing my students (and I know you have only my word here). Right now, I find work to be my break from my home life with my mother, it's not stressful there it's stress relief. While there's no real way to compare fairly, I feel I'm the better teacher. Our social circle have all noticed that I really do seem to love my job, I don't just say I do. I'm that teacher that goes to the student's hockey games and piano recitals - because I feel the more you know your students the better you can teach them. I also think that I'm in the better position if it ever came to leaving the profession. If I ever felt I wasn't giving my students the learning environment they deserve, I would leave and do something else. Because there's no intuitive feeling this is what I "should" be doing, I won't ever be that teacher who's been there for years too long simply I can't see myself doing something else.

I realize this sort of comparison in no way equals anything conclusive in the slightest. But I do think a well thought out choice doesn't always play second fiddle to an instinctive knowing. As I said, I've never "just known" anything in life and I seem to be doing okay so far.

Edited to add: If "just knowing" was always the right way to go, then why do so many marriages end? I would bet the majority of people on their wedding days would say they just know it's going to last. But 1/2 of them are wrong. That's rather a lot of certainly that turned out to be false... Of course, with children there's no going back if it turns out an individual wasn't as sure as they thought they were several years in.

You've NEVER just known anything?? You didn't just know that you loved your parents? Or that taking care of your mother when she was ill was just the right thing to do? :confused3

Did you make a list of pros and cons when you decided whether or not to date a man? Or marry your husband? :confused3

Maybe you did do this, there are people that do. People that are extremely logical about everything in life.

I always knew that I wanted to be a mom, it is part of who I am. I didn't question whether or not I would have children, just with who and how many. Being a mom and taking care of people is part of the core of my being - sorry if that sounds corny. In no way, shape or form can I ever imagine my life not having that segment in it.

My sister is 25 and she feels exactly the same. She has achieved personal, academic, and professional success already at an alarming rate. But at the end of the day, all of the money, the travel, the professional accolades - those don't cut it for her. It's not enough, she knows in her being that having a family is what will complete her. Some people are that way, and they are rational people too.

Were you an only child? Do you have neices and nephews that you are close to? You don't have to answer if you don't want to, just trying to get some insight here.

As for your friend, don't discount her "just knowing" just b/c she might not be totally happy in her career right now. Maybe she just isn't in the right teaching job or at the right school - she could still feel like being a teacher is what she is meant to do. I know I feel that way about my career as an attorney.

And you can plan all you want for your kids, how you will raise them, etc - but anyone with kids will tell you that they are all different and you learn along the way - it's not something you can ever be totally prepared for. :)
 
You will not regret having children, but you might regret not having them.

It's the most wonderful and most difficult thing to be a parent, but you'll figure it out.
 
OP, I know you have alot going on right now. I think it's perfectly normal to be thinking the way you are. I don't think having the conversations and doing the thinking you are doing is wrong and doesn't mean you shouldn't have children.

I do think you should take a year and just let yourself grieve when your mother passes on to home. Let yourself and your husband be together again and start a new phase in your life. Let the hole in your heart heal some before you have the children. Have a child to try to fill the hurt in your heart still won't help the grief from the loss and stress you have and will be going through.

I'm sorry for you and your family. I understand how difficult it is. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

That's very true, Tina. I am keeping your family in my thoughts and prayers, too, Ember. Also, I hope your classroom situation has improved. I know that has to impact some of your thought processes. You must be exhausted.

Take care of yourself. :hug:
 



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