Parenting teenagers is hard and sometimes crazy

The OP didn't say so, but maybe the teacher REQUIRES a parent to be present at all times, since the lessons are apparently given at his house. He would definitely be smart to make that a requirement if it isn't already. Other than realllllly close family members or friends, I wouldn't be alone with a kid these days for a million bucks.
He doesn’t require it but his wife is also home too as they are both retired, the lessons are only 1/2 and hour so it’s not like you would be an to get a lot done dropping them off and coming back. I agree that I wouldn’t want to be alone with a kid either that aren’t my own.
 
And I can't believe the number of people who think you can't take away electronics because the child will be cut off from communication.
I don't think anyone has said you can NEVER take away electronics, but phones and electronics ARE a key part of social life for most teenagers. You don't put someone in jail for jaywalking, and you shouldn't take away electronics for a minor issue. And yes, the situation described in the OP IS minor. If the situation was repeated time and time again, then it's a different story.
 
Girllll...you can't be serious. Would you be ok with them talking to their actual teachers in school like that? Telling them that they hate them or to shut up?

I am best friends with my parents, even when I was younger. I never had strict rules, could hang out with whom I wanted, never had a curfew, etc. But if I had dared tell my mom to shut up or that I hated her, I probably would have been popped in the mouth. That is blatant disrespect and shouldn't be something that is celebrated. Kids can feel comfortable without being disrespectful.

To be clear, I was never slapped or popped in the mouth growing up. I just could never imagine saying that to someone that I loved, even as a hormonal and grumpy teenager.

I don't think that is what @dreamer17555 meant. From what I read she was referring to her kids saying those things at home. Which she wasn't fond of and it didn't happen regularly, but she was thankful her kids felt safe enough to express their emotions at home. That home was a safe place unlike when she was a child.
 
Girllll...you can't be serious. Would you be ok with them talking to their actual teachers in school like that? Telling them that they hate them or to shut up?

I am best friends with my parents, even when I was younger. I never had strict rules, could hang out with whom I wanted, never had a curfew, etc. But if I had dared tell my mom to shut up or that I hated her, I probably would have been popped in the mouth. That is blatant disrespect and shouldn't be something that is celebrated. Kids can feel comfortable without being disrespectful.

To be clear, I was never slapped or popped in the mouth growing up. I just could never imagine saying that to someone that I loved, even as a hormonal and grumpy teenager.
IDK hate is a strong word but it's not all that uncommon for it to be uttered at some point in someone's life towards a relative. Rarely are the words meant in true heat. But it is also why there are coaching on how to say how you feel in different words. I don't think people are saying they believe that to be appropriate to say I hate you, not sure you'd actually find people who would say it was. I believe the poster was just saying they appreciated that their children could vocalize how they felt because that doesn't happen with kid growing up. Def. people can handle being told to shut up or I hate you in different ways though.

And a side note you mention that your parents reaction would be physical especially to the degree of punched/hit hard in the mouth. On the one hand you don't condone speaking with a heated phrase such as "I hate you" but on the other hand can imagine a loved one, your own mother, hitting you physically should you have said something like that. While I can imagine a loved one being physical like that I do not find it appropriate or okay and find the lopsided focus of I hate you to being popped in the mouth odd.
 

I agree - the jump that the piano teacher was creepy or untoward to the juvenile is big cringe.

My uncle taught girl's softball lessons for many years. He retired from all of that and I am so glad he did because today, all it takes is one off-based accusation by a parent or student for your name, livelihood, reputation to be over. The victim should be believed 100% of the time until investigation reveals further, but when the news picks up on it your name is out there forever as being associated with one of the worst crimes imaginable.

Just because something like that is at the forefront of your thinking or because you may have experience with something as awful as sexual abuse, doesn't mean that it is what is actually going on in every situation.
 
I don't think anyone has said you can NEVER take away electronics, but phones and electronics ARE a key part of social life for most teenagers. You don't put someone in jail for jaywalking, and you shouldn't take away electronics for a minor issue. And yes, the situation described in the OP IS minor. If the situation was repeated time and time again, then it's a different story.
Hahahaha. Jail for jaywalking! You act a fool then you lose a privilege. It's called parenting.

You do the crime, you do the time (that's not even accurate anymore).
 
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IDK hate is a strong word but it's not all that uncommon for it to be uttered at some point in someone's life towards a relative. Rarely are the words meant in true heat. But it is also why there are coaching on how to say how you feel in different words. I don't think people are saying they believe that to be appropriate to say I hate you, not sure you'd actually find people who would say it was. I believe the poster was just saying they appreciated that their children could vocalize how they felt because that doesn't happen with kid growing up. Def. people can handle being told to shut up or I hate you in different ways though.

And a side note you mention that your parents reaction would be physical especially to the degree of punched/hit hard in the mouth. On the one hand you don't condone speaking with a heated phrase such as "I hate you" but on the other hand can imagine a loved one, your own mother, hitting you physically should you have said something like that. While I can imagine a loved one being physical like that I do not find it appropriate or okay and find the lopsided focus of I hate you to being popped in the mouth odd.

It wasn't common when I was growing up, maybe we just grew up in different circumstances.

I was never hit in the mouth and my mother was never physical with me, as I stated. I actually never could imagine her hitting me, ever. I also never stated that their reaction was to be physical, but "probably" based on what I saw in the movies growing up. Back talk a parent, get slapped. I guess I'm glad I never disrespected my parents in that way so I didn't have to find out if I would have been slapped!
 
I don't think anyone has said you can NEVER take away electronics, but phones and electronics ARE a key part of social life for most teenagers. You don't put someone in jail for jaywalking, and you shouldn't take away electronics for a minor issue. And yes, the situation described in the OP IS minor. If the situation was repeated time and time again, then it's a different story.
I really don’t see it as minor. As I mentioned in my first post, to me, this was quite disrespectful of the time and money they’d put into giving the child the privilege of being afforded music lessons. Not everyone is so fortunate and the kid acted like an entitled brat. (As did one of mine for blowing off his guitar lessons.)
 
I agree - the jump that the piano teacher was creepy or untoward to the juvenile is big cringe.

My uncle taught girl's softball lessons for many years. He retired from all of that and I am so glad he did because today, all it takes is one off-based accusation by a parent or student for your name, livelihood, reputation to be over. The victim should be believed 100% of the time until investigation reveals further, but when the news picks up on it your name is out there forever as being associated with one of the worst crimes imaginable.

Just because something like that is at the forefront of your thinking or because you may have experience with something as awful as sexual abuse, doesn't mean that it is what is actually going on in every situation.
This is very true ,I didn’t mention it in my first post because of that.

But you must agree it is strange for a 13 old to cross her legs now after years. The Op did come back to clarify some things . After that this thread turned to the phone taken away.

So I wouldn’t say cringe because it is our first thought. Stuff happens out there , sometimes it takes years to come out.
 
Just remembering how, when we first met with my kids’ guitar teacher and the kids were deciding whether they were ready to make the commitment to learning to play, one of the things that caught their attention was him saying that, “Instead of playing the ‘air guitar’ in college you’ll be able to play a real one!” :lmao: At that time lots of kids their age were into Guitar Hero which had just come out. So yes, it was a privilege to be afforded those lessons which cost us a great deal of money that we worked very hard for. We are not made of money. I can’t imagine being so disrespectful to that teacher, or to us. I also would’ve been mortified. The ability to play piano, especially within a family with a strong musical background, is a really amazing gift.
 
It wasn't common when I was growing up, maybe we just grew up in different circumstances.

I was never hit in the mouth and my mother was never physical with me, as I stated. I actually never could imagine her hitting me, ever. I also never stated that their reaction was to be physical, but "probably" based on what I saw in the movies growing up. Back talk a parent, get slapped. I guess I'm glad I never disrespected my parents in that way so I didn't have to find out if I would have been slapped!
I don't know when you grew up but for a long long time kids have uttered phrases such as that. In the past it was much more acceptable (we didn't necessarily know the damage or it wasn't as widespread given attention) for an immediate physical reaction. I grew up in the belt across your butt was viewed in a different light for example. Unfortunately you also have hit (no pun intended) upon the note about disrespect because a lot of that comes down to parenting styles. Disrespect doesn't mean the same thing to others. For some their line is a lot further away in the sand than others.

I'm not sure you should be glad because you lived under the threat of physical action should you have stepped out of line, maybe that worked for you, but it's far from a psychologically safe place as a base line for childhood development although again as I mentioned I must give attention that for certain cultures and ethnicities things are viewed differently.

I said you could imagine not that you were hit. "could never imagine saying that to someone that I loved" and I replied that while you couldn't imagine that, you could imagine being hit by your parent should you have said that ("if I had dared tell my mom to shut up or that I hated her, I probably would have been popped in the mouth."). My apologies but I'm not exactly finding the reason to be what you saw in movies. While I could be incorrect you may have grown up under the understanding should you have said something that to your parents was so severe, to them, that an equally severe reaction would have been likely to occur. I don't know what movies you are watching TBH. Regardless I just found the more nonchalant way physical was handled in comparison to the I hate you/shut up part to be lopsided but understand a YMMV applies here :flower3:
 
I agree - the jump that the piano teacher was creepy or untoward to the juvenile is big cringe..

Just because something like that is at the forefront of your thinking or because you may have experience with something as awful as sexual abuse, doesn't mean that it is what is actually going on in every situation.
I don’t think anyone jumped to that conclusion or believes that’s what happened. Or that’s what anyone automatically assumes in every situation.

I know I’m one of the posters who mentioned the word creep. I didn’t say that was what actually happened or “jump to the conclusion” that the teacher must be a pedophile. I simply mentioned “who knows? Maybe she felt he was creepy?” in a list of several possible reasons for her sitting awkwardly and not complying.

I think it’s actually pretty common for teenage girls to feel uncomfortable with some adult men, so I had no idea it would be so “cringe” to suggest as a remote possibility.
 
Girllll...you can't be serious. Would you be ok with them talking to their actual teachers in school like that? Telling them that they hate them or to shut up?

I am best friends with my parents, even when I was younger. I never had strict rules, could hang out with whom I wanted, never had a curfew, etc. But if I had dared tell my mom to shut up or that I hated her, I probably would have been popped in the mouth. That is blatant disrespect and shouldn't be something that is celebrated. Kids can feel comfortable without being disrespectful.

To be clear, I was never slapped or popped in the mouth growing up. I just could never imagine saying that to someone that I loved, even as a hormonal and grumpy teenager.
I did it, and my mom, for the first and last time, slapped my face. I was being a horrible brat, my mom was the best mom in the world, my home life was ideal (my HS friends visited my mom in the hospital 5 years ago when she was dying of cancer and thanked her for everything, our house was their safe house). None of my 5 kids have said that to us, they never would, they’re very easy going and it would not be in their nature, even at their hormonal worst. I can’t imagine my husband telling anyone he hated them, I’ve known him since he was 12, and his parents and siblings are awesome and sweet.
 
Hahahaha. Jail for jaywalking! You act a fool then you lose a privilege. It's called parenting.

You do the crime, you do the time (that's not even accurate anymore).
IMO, and apparently others here, the "act" the child did doesn't rise to the OP's choice of privilege to lose, hence "jail for jaywalking".
I really don’t see it as minor. As I mentioned in my first post, to me, this was quite disrespectful of the time and money they’d put into giving the child the privilege of being afforded music lessons. Not everyone is so fortunate and the kid acted like an entitled brat. (As did one of mine for blowing off his guitar lessons.)
Again, end the lesson and make the child pay for the lesson (reimburse the parents).
 
I don’t think anyone jumped to that conclusion or believes that’s what happened. Or that’s what anyone automatically assumes in every situation.

I know I’m one of the posters who mentioned the word creep. I didn’t say that was what actually happened or “jump to the conclusion” that the teacher must be a pedophile. I simply mentioned “who knows? Maybe she felt he was creepy?” in a list of several possible reasons for her sitting awkwardly and not complying.

I think it’s actually pretty common for teenage girls to feel uncomfortable with some adult men, so I had no idea it would be so “cringe” to suggest as a remote possibility.
I think we should all pay attention to that sixth sense we have, for sure. But the notion that her response would be that type of reaction was what I found bizarre.
 
IMO, and apparently others here, the "act" the child did doesn't rise to the OP's choice of privilege to lose, hence "jail for jaywalking".

Again, end the lesson and make the child pay for the lesson (reimburse the parents).

Thanks for explaining it to me (sarcasm intended). I perfectly understood your point from your initial post. We disagree. Let's leave it there.
 
I don't know when you grew up but for a long long time kids have uttered phrases such as that. In the past it was much more acceptable (we didn't necessarily know the damage or it wasn't as widespread given attention) for an immediate physical reaction. I grew up in the belt across your butt was viewed in a different light for example. Unfortunately you also have hit (no pun intended) upon the note about disrespect because a lot of that comes down to parenting styles. Disrespect doesn't mean the same thing to others. For some their line is a lot further away in the sand than others.

I'm not sure you should be glad because you lived under the threat of physical action should you have stepped out of line, maybe that worked for you, but it's far from a psychologically safe place as a base line for childhood development although again as I mentioned I must give attention that for certain cultures and ethnicities things are viewed differently.

I said you could imagine not that you were hit. "could never imagine saying that to someone that I loved" and I replied that while you couldn't imagine that, you could imagine being hit by your parent should you have said that ("if I had dared tell my mom to shut up or that I hated her, I probably would have been popped in the mouth."). My apologies but I'm not exactly finding the reason to be what you saw in movies. While I could be incorrect you may have grown up under the understanding should you have said something that to your parents was so severe, to them, that an equally severe reaction would have been likely to occur. I don't know what movies you are watching TBH. Regardless I just found the more nonchalant way physical was handled in comparison to the I hate you/shut up part to be lopsided but understand a YMMV applies here :flower3:
I'm not following.

I'm a white female who grew up in the midwestern United States, but I'm unsure of what my ethnicity has to do with not telling my parents I hate them or feeling that is disrespectful. I'm not sure if you are intending it to come across this way, but it's a slippery slope to assume someone's psychological or developmental wellbeing based on a post on a discussion board. I have repeatedly stated that physical punishment was not used in my home but I did see it from TV shows. The Slap mini-series? Superman (1978)? Dr. Phil? Orphan? random Lifetime movies? I've seen all of these when I was a teenager (12+). While I was never threatened with physical punishment, I knew/know that some parents use a slap across the face is a punishment for that kind of disrespect. I never tested so far as to see if my own parents would in fact slap me for telling them that I hate them and to shut up.

At this point, I'll just agree to disagree.
 
I'm a white female who grew up in the midwestern United States, but I'm unsure of what my ethnicity has to do with not telling my parents
Because different cultures find different things acceptable and I don't presume to assume the cultures and ethnicities of the DIS posters without them explicitly saying so (and some posters do share). It was my way of trying not to assume things about you (ETA: and it was in reference to my earlier comment to Alicefan about different ethnicities as well which you can look up a few pages back). Obviously you didn't appreciate me trying not to assume your race or ethnicity. Have a good day though.
 
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We would never do this I agree that’s awful.
Something like that probably depends on the kid. My daughter would eat it up and welcome the attention. She'd be the first to laugh along with everyone and add to the story by acting it out. :jester: We're never too serious around here:teeth:
 







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