Palin: No abortions, No exceptions???

[perla75]

I know I am starting a doozy of a thread here , but I'd like you Palin anti-abortion supporters to help educate me on this because it baffles me.

FIRST off, is this correct information that Palin believes in no abortions, no matter what the circumstance? What I understand is that McCain is anti-abortion with exceptions in special circumstances, but Palin does not believe there are any exceptions ever. Is this correct info?

1) If this is true, what is Palin's plan for financially supporting a child who, say, comes from a teenage mom with zero income & no family support? Maybe even homeless. To provide enough financial support that this child is clothed, fed, & given a quality life? I've also heard that she is anti-welfare, but again I am not sure if this is correct info.

2) Also, what if it is pre-determined that a child will be born with a fatal & painful disease (one that will leave the child in constant pain & discomfort, minimal working bodily functions, maybe has 2 weeks to live & will spend that time in dire pain, etc...)? On top of that, the mother has no health insurance?
What are Palin's justifications for that & again, what is her plan for providing funding so this child will get the (very expensive) care that it needs?

3) Last scenario: What if early on in the pregnancy, it comes about that the mother has a life threatening illness & giving birth might kill the mother?

I am not trying to start an argument, I am just trying to understand Palin's views on this & educate myself on her views & plans. I know that McCain is anti-abortion but with exceptions &, although I do not agree with many of his views, I do respect him greatly for understanding that there are exceptions to everything. I have heard that Palin, on the other hand, is anti-abortion with zero exceptions & I think that a "no exceptions" stance on many issues like this is a very ignorant way to go. JMO here!!!

I am interested in hearing about Palin's rationale for this, but I've never heard her give an actual explanation for her view or provide her plans for how she will handle these potential exceptions or scenarios that are VERY likely to come about if she tries to do away with Roe V. Wade.

Thanks-I am looking forward to your mature & informative responses!

 

[Barb D]

My understanding is that Palin does believe in an exemption if the mother's life is in danger. This is the same thing I believe. It's self defense.

In the case of a seriously ill baby, I believe that only God should take a life. In the case of financial issues, why should the baby get the death penalty just because the mother has financial problems? Same with rape and incest. Yes, they are horrible crimes, but why should the baby get the death penalty because of something her biological father did?

And yes, I have a teenage daughter, and yes, this is what I would advise her if she became pregnant by any means.

And yes, I have also educated her about birth control and how to get it.

 

[Disney Doll]

What exactly is it that you want to discuss?

If you want to know what she believes, may I suggest a visit to www.ontheissues.org. They have some pretty non-biased information on the candidates' platforms, beliefs etc.

Read up on that site and other sources and determine who most closely mirrors your beliefs and vote accordingly.

Every candidate has a set of beliefs. If they agree with yours, then great. If they don't, then vote for the one whose beliefs DO agree with yours.

And actually, you are trying to start an argument. Just based on the wording of your post, you are pot-stirring. If you were seriously wondering what Governor Palin's stance was on these issues, why would you ever come to a Disney board, where you will get a huge amount of opinion on the issues at hand, rather than going to sources that can give you factual information on which to base your opinion?

It would seem to me that someone who wanted to make an informed decision would want to go to sources where they could get factual information, don't you think?

No one loves the DIS more than me, but from a political perspective, there's very little on here that is factual in nature about any of the candidates. Lots of "he said, she said", lots of posts that word things in whatever way the OP's allegiances lie and so forth, but fact...not a lot.

And if Governor Palin's beliefs are as you post, then she has the right to hold that belief, just as you have the right to disagree with her and vote accordingly.

 

[java]

In the case of a seriously ill baby, I believe that only God should take a life.

I had a scare. I had 3 children and was pregnant with my 4th. They highly suspected Trisomy 18. Sent me to a genetic counselor. I heard a lot about terminating. It was killing me inside. The conflict of what I felt and what I thought my family would go through. The effect it would have on my children to potentially see a baby for only a few short minutes. For me it was a terrible month of worry and indecision. I knew I couldn't do it. But believe me, I could understand why someone would maybe want to. I have walked in those shoes and it is not I to judge what is morally proper for someone else.

I have no comment on Palin.

 

[rie'smom]

Palin's views on abortion:
* Rejected sympathy for Down's Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
* Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
* Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
* Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
* Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
* Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
* Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
* If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what's next. (Oct 2006)
* Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
* Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
* Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)

 

[corndog]

FIRST off, is this correct information that Palin believes in no abortions, no matter what the circumstance?

Where did you get this "information"?

 

[Charade]

Where did you get this "information"?

Probably the Interwebs.

 

[DawnM]

Or SNL skits.

Dawn

Probably the Interwebs.

 

[DawnM]

Let me get this strait. You haven't heard her say this. You haven't done searches online to see what she really believes, but you come on here and rant away and then ask for a mature and informative response???? Oh, and you aren't trying to start an arguement?????

I know I am starting a doozy of a thread here , but I'd like you Palin anti-abortion supporters to help educate me on this because it baffles me.

FIRST off, is this correct information that Palin believes in no abortions, no matter what the circumstance? What I understand is that McCain is anti-abortion with exceptions in special circumstances, but Palin does not believe there are any exceptions ever. Is this correct info?

1) If this is true, what is Palin's plan for financially supporting a child who, say, comes from a teenage mom with zero income & no family support? Maybe even homeless. To provide enough financial support that this child is clothed, fed, & given a quality life? I've also heard that she is anti-welfare, but again I am not sure if this is correct info.

2) Also, what if it is pre-determined that a child will be born with a fatal & painful disease (one that will leave the child in constant pain & discomfort, minimal working bodily functions, maybe has 2 weeks to live & will spend that time in dire pain, etc...)? On top of that, the mother has no health insurance?
What are Palin's justifications for that & again, what is her plan for providing funding so this child will get the (very expensive) care that it needs?

3) Last scenario: What if early on in the pregnancy, it comes about that the mother has a life threatening illness & giving birth might kill the mother?

I am not trying to start an argument, I am just trying to understand Palin's views on this & educate myself on her views & plans. I know that McCain is anti-abortion but with exceptions &, although I do not agree with many of his views, I do respect him greatly for understanding that there are exceptions to everything. I have heard that Palin, on the other hand, is anti-abortion with zero exceptions & I think this is a very ignorant way to go. JMO here!!!

I am interested in hearing about Palin's rationale for this, but I've never heard her give an actual explanation for her view or provide her plans for how she will handle these potential exceptions or scenarios that are VERY likely to come about if she tries to do away with Roe V. Wade.

Thanks-I am looking forward to your mature & informative responses!

 

[chris1gill]

I know I am starting a doozy of a thread here , but I'd like you Palin anti-abortion supporters to help educate me on this because it baffles me.

FIRST off, is this correct information that Palin believes in no abortions, no matter what the circumstance? What I understand is that McCain is anti-abortion with exceptions in special circumstances, but Palin does not believe there are any exceptions ever. Is this correct info?

1) If this is true, what is Palin's plan for financially supporting a child who, say, comes from a teenage mom with zero income & no family support? Maybe even homeless. To provide enough financial support that this child is clothed, fed, & given a quality life? I've also heard that she is anti-welfare, but again I am not sure if this is correct info.

2) Also, what if it is pre-determined that a child will be born with a fatal & painful disease (one that will leave the child in constant pain & discomfort, minimal working bodily functions, maybe has 2 weeks to live & will spend that time in dire pain, etc...)? On top of that, the mother has no health insurance?
What are Palin's justifications for that & again, what is her plan for providing funding so this child will get the (very expensive) care that it needs?

3) Last scenario: What if early on in the pregnancy, it comes about that the mother has a life threatening illness & giving birth might kill the mother?

I am not trying to start an argument, I am just trying to understand Palin's views on this & educate myself on her views & plans. I know that McCain is anti-abortion but with exceptions &, although I do not agree with many of his views, I do respect him greatly for understanding that there are exceptions to everything. I have heard that Palin, on the other hand, is anti-abortion with zero exceptions & I think this is a very ignorant way to go. JMO here!!!

I am interested in hearing about Palin's rationale for this, but I've never heard her give an actual explanation for her view or provide her plans for how she will handle these potential exceptions or scenarios that are VERY likely to come about if she tries to do away with Roe V. Wade.

Thanks-I am looking forward to your mature & informative responses!

She had moderated her position, she now believes it is okay when the life of the mother is at risk.

As for the children, adoption would be the choice should there be no family resources I imagine... Since in her own state she cut aid (slashed it really) for unwed mothers, what else would there be other than adoption?

 

[raysnkaysmom]

I had a scare. I had 3 children and was pregnant with my 4th. They highly suspected Trisomy 18. Sent me to a genetic counselor. I heard a lot about terminating. It was killing me inside. The conflict of what I felt and what I thought my family would go through. The effect it would have on my children to potentially see a baby for only a few short minutes. For me it was a terrible month of worry and indecision. I knew I couldn't do it. But believe me, I could understand why someone would maybe want to. I have walked in those shoes and it is not I to judge what is morally proper for someone else.

I have no comment on Palin.

No idea about Palin....
but.. I'm going through this myself..
there was a thread on here awhile back (only a few weeks) where I stated I did not believe in abortion under any circumstances... Doesn't mean I would criticize someone who chose it, unless it was their form of birth control. But..I made blanket statements on how I'd give my life for my unborn child, and if my child had a defect...I'd never terminate.
Now...my unborn child has shown signs of chromosonal defect and I"m waiting on possible amniocentesis (which I used to be against as well). Now.. I still am against termination (for ME).. but I was also told about the possibilites of Trisomy18,, and was informed this is a condition that *IF* the baby made it to term, it would NOT survive more than a few days.. there are NO living adults with Trisomy 18. .. that was the first time EVER I thought of a reason to terminate pregnancy. And... as some one pointed out to me before.. if it came to my life or my childs.. THEY would choose their own.. I, at first, felt that to be selfish.... but.. as I have 3 living children right now, and if that were a case presented to me...I dont' think my choice would be the same as I thought it to be a few weeks ago.
Now..I still can say with 98% certainty that if raped, I would deliver my child, I can never say I know 100% exactly what I would do in any situation.

So..I rambled.. but long story short, its easy to condone or condemn someone elses choices, until you are faced with them yourself. If Palin is 100% against abortion...and you aren't... weigh that into your voting...

 

[perla75]

My understanding is that Palin does believe in an exemption if the mother's life is in danger. This is the same thing I believe. It's self defense.

In the case of a seriously ill baby, I believe that only God should take a life. In the case of financial issues, why should the baby get the death penalty just because the mother has financial problems? Same with rape and incest. Yes, they are horrible crimes, but why should the baby get the death penalty because of something her biological father did?

And yes, I have a teenage daughter, and yes, this is what I would advise her if she became pregnant by any means.

And yes, I have also educated her about birth control and how to get it.

Hi there,

Thank you very much for your mature & informative response. I was not aware that Palin did have some exemptions & I thank you for educating me on that. Thank you also for your explanation of a rationale for her anti-abortion beliefs and sharing your point of view. I highly respect your faith in God, your values, & where you are coming from.

What exactly is it that you want to discuss?

If you want to know what she believes, may I suggest a visit to www.ontheissues.org. They have some pretty non-biased information on the candidates' platforms, beliefs etc.

Read up on that site and other sources and determine who most closely mirrors your beliefs and vote accordingly.

Every candidate has a set of beliefs. If they agree with yours, then great. If they don't, then vote for the one whose beliefs DO agree with yours.

And actually, you are trying to start an argument. Just based on the wording of your post, you are pot-stirring. If you were seriously wondering what Governor Palin's stance was on these issues, why would you ever come to a Disney board, where you will get a huge amount of opinion on the issues at hand, rather than going to sources that can give you factual information on which to base your opinion?

It would seem to me that someone who wanted to make an informed decision would want to go to sources where they could get factual information, don't you think?

No one loves the DIS more than me, but from a political perspective, there's very little on here that is factual in nature about any of the candidates. Lots of "he said, she said", lots of posts that word things in whatever way the OP's allegiances lie and so forth, but fact...not a lot.

And if Governor Palin's beliefs are as you post, then she has the right to hold that belief, just as you have the right to disagree with her and vote accordingly.

Wow, I thought I asked for an informative & mature response....not a defensive and ignorant argument

Actually, I'm currently undecided which is why I am trying to gather information. I'm not sure where you got that I think she has no right to believe what she chooses to believe, but it sounds like you have a problem with respecting other people's belief systems. You wanna know why it's not me with the problem? Because I am the one here seeking knowledge for the purpose of understand other points of views, instead of yelling one-sided remarks & acting like a.....hmm

I chose to ask on here because.....well, because I'm a member of the dis & I frequent these boards to find info on a variety of topics I also have faith in other human beings & respect for their knowledge & insight. Statistics & bulleted facts on a website are sometimes not enough to understand a certain belief or embrace a point of view. Could you imagine if the bible was all in bullets, rather than in passionate words? Sometimes asking a common person, or a group of common people will offer you different insights than sterile websites or single sided news channels. Although, in your case, the only insight that you have offered me is that you are a real

Thanks anyways & I look forward to reading these other replies to see if there are any other valuable points (such that the first poster who replied), seeing as yours was a complete waste of space.

 

[perla75]

I had a scare. I had 3 children and was pregnant with my 4th. They highly suspected Trisomy 18. Sent me to a genetic counselor. I heard a lot about terminating. It was killing me inside. The conflict of what I felt and what I thought my family would go through. The effect it would have on my children to potentially see a baby for only a few short minutes. For me it was a terrible month of worry and indecision. I knew I couldn't do it. But believe me, I could understand why someone would maybe want to. I have walked in those shoes and it is not I to judge what is morally proper for someone else.

I have no comment on Palin.

Thank you for sharing that story. That must have been a very difficult time of your life & a very difficult decision to make. These issues are not always black & white or easy, are they?

Again, I was not trying to say that Palin is wrong or terrible. I am merely gathering insight from different sources to help me come to my own conclusions.

 

[perla75]

Where did you get this "information"?

Probably the Interwebs.

I heard this on MSNBC actually (the television channel, not the internet). If you read my post, I mentioned that I was seeking information to find out of this statement was correct-I wasn't trying to spread a rumor You guys are hilarious....

 

[perla75]

Let me get this strait. You haven't heard her say this. You haven't done searches online to see what she really believes, but you come on here and rant away and then ask for a mature and informative response???? Oh, and you aren't trying to start an arguement?????

I'm sorry-WHO is ranting away Dawn?? My opening post was actually very calm & polite. This statement was mentioned by a commentator on MSNBC. I was previously under the impression that she shared McCain's views that she believes in exceptions. I heard the commentator say differently & I was interested in knowing if the commentator was correct & understanding the point of view of a person who might someday be running our country. What a concept-wanting to understand a candidate's views and belief system!

 

[perla75]

She had moderated her position, she now believes it is okay when the life of the mother is at risk.

As for the children, adoption would be the choice should there be no family resources I imagine... Since in her own state she cut aid (slashed it really) for unwed mothers, what else would there be other than adoption?

Thank you Chris-you win the award for being the most mature & helpful response so far!

So, she used to believe no exceptions, but changed her stance. That makes sense where the commentator went wrong on the news channel.

So, her focus would be to increase adoption funding and services. This would be an idea...

Thank you again Chris. I very much appreciate your mature response.

 

[perla75]

No idea about Palin....
but.. I'm going through this myself..
there was a thread on here awhile back (only a few weeks) where I stated I did not believe in abortion under any circumstances... Doesn't mean I would criticize someone who chose it, unless it was their form of birth control. But..I made blanket statements on how I'd give my life for my unborn child, and if my child had a defect...I'd never terminate.
Now...my unborn child has shown signs of chromosonal defect and I"m waiting on possible amniocentesis (which I used to be against as well). Now.. I still am against termination (for ME).. but I was also told about the possibilites of Trisomy18,, and was informed this is a condition that *IF* the baby made it to term, it would NOT survive more than a few days.. there are NO living adults with Trisomy 18. .. that was the first time EVER I thought of a reason to terminate pregnancy. And... as some one pointed out to me before.. if it came to my life or my childs.. THEY would choose their own.. I, at first, felt that to be selfish.... but.. as I have 3 living children right now, and if that were a case presented to me...I dont' think my choice would be the same as I thought it to be a few weeks ago.
Now..I still can say with 98% certainty that if raped, I would deliver my child, I can never say I know 100% exactly what I would do in any situation.

So..I rambled.. but long story short, its easy to condone or condemn someone elses choices, until you are faced with them yourself. If Palin is 100% against abortion...and you aren't... weigh that into your voting...

Another helpful response-thank you and I am very sorry for what you are going through. This has got to be a very scary and difficult time for you & your family. I completely agree that opinions change when you are dealing with situations first-hand.

Yes, you are right. I should weigh into my voting that a candidate does not share the same view as myself. But I also believe in educating myself on other points of views. I am not afraid to change a moral or belief of mine if I am given the correct education.

 

[perla75]

Palin's views on abortion:
* Rejected sympathy for Down's Syndrome son, as gift from God. (Aug 2008)
* Opposes embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2008)
* Every baby is created with a future and potential. (Aug 2008)
* Safe Haven bill: allow surrendering newborns without penalty. (Feb 2008)
* Adoption is best plan for permanency for foster care kids. (Oct 2007)
* Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
* Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped. (Nov 2006)
* If Roe v. Wade got overturned, let people decide what's next. (Oct 2006)
* Opposes use of public funds for abortions. (Oct 2006)
* Pro-contraception, pro-woman, pro-life. (Aug 2006)
* Only exception for abortion is if mother's life would end. (Jul 2006)

Thank you for those facts. I actually know quite a few mothers who reject sympathy for their children with Down Syndrome (and other disabilities) & view it as a gift and/or challenge from God.

Can you point me into the direction of any interviews I could read where she discusses this topic? I would be interested in hearing or reading her words or her discussion on this.

 

[UConnJack]

I heard this on MSNBC actually (the television channel, not the internet).

Well, there you go. Next please don't tell me that the tool Olberman said it.

MSNBC is barely a step above a liberal blog site. Kinda like Fox News on the right.

 

[perla75]

Well, there you go. Next please don't tell me that the tool Olberman said it.

MSNBC is barely a step above a liberal blog site. Kinda like Fox News on the right.

Yes, exactly why I was seeking more information. It was a statement I hadn't heard before. It was not Keith Oberman-just a commentator who was being interviewed.