Oprah goes too far again.

[beckmrk04]

So was that post. Not to mention a pretty rude last shot.

I'm sorry. I didn't intend it to be rude.

It's just that this has turned more into being against Oprah/Dr. Robin than acknowledging the issues addressed in the show.

 

[jonestavern]

I saw that show, because I like PINK, so I had to watch. I didn't get that from the show at all.
In fact it was pretty dead on. Women are objectified in music and play dumb to make themselves appear more personable. It is an act.
Some girls model the "act", believing that these celebs actually like being this way. Basically they are being duped...nothing new really.
Same ole' ho-hum stuff.

Now I will agree Oprah has lost it. That I won't argue with you.
I am going to admit I watched yesterday's show with Bill & Melinda Gates. Part 2 is today.
My kids watched with me. Good show. That is the one you should be talking about!!!!

Only I think the same old ho-hum stuff is the fact that young women so easily buy into the whole dumb/look-at-me-I'm-a-porn-star tedium. As my Gram once said, men love it & young females--& some of us oldies--are man hungry. Nothing new there~
What is pretty depressing is seeing the hook, line & sinker consumerism, of image & product, of those lovely young ladies. It really makes me wonder if our society has degenerated to "Me, me, that's enough about me. What do you think about me?"? Are we seeing their whole picture though? Do they earn good grades? do they volunteer in the community?

I like Oprah, all except the celeb/movie star things. Some fluff can be a real stress reliever, but occassionally she will feature way too much of it for my tastes. I did enjoy hearing Pink's point of view, but so few of them have anything interesting to offer. I love the Debt Diet shows, I have great respect for her crusade to stop child abuse & her enthusiasm for charity & reading

Jean

 

[cardaway]

It's just that this has turned more into being against Oprah/Dr. Robin than acknowledging the issues addressed in the show.

And I've tried to make it clear that as much as I dislike Oprah I only started this thread because I think the episode went too far and was damaging, not helpful. I usually ignore her but this episode is getting a lot of attention because I'm not the only one that saw it as a negative thing.

 

[KittieKChick]

No they are watching OC.

I think the only problem there is Mischa Barton. Eat a cheeseburger Mischa!!!

Oprah is god and men are evil creatures out to bring women down. That's Oprah's philosophy.

I didn't see the show, but I'm sure I would have agreed with Pink from what I've heard. I like her video.

Personally, I would rather watch sports all day than to watch Oprah (and that's bad because I don't like sports).

 

[Buckalew11]

That was the point of the show- that girls have no self esteem and for some reason feel the need to parade themselves and show off their bodies. The point of the show was that this is sad.

No one relinquished them of responsibility. Just put out the question, why is this even happening? Why do girls feel the need to act dumb/take their clothes off? What in society is contributing to this?

I didn't see the show but I know there is so much of this going on with girls.

Honestly, I for Jenz's posts. She is right on with every post.

As the mother of a DD who is 12yo, I think it is about this age where it all starts and I hope we are instilling in her that she doesn't have to dumb herself down to find a partner in life.

This whole issue makes me thinkof Kelly Pickler on American Idol this year. Yeah, she may be that naive but honestly, the dumb blonde show every week gets old quickly. Not all men like that but a lot men do. Smart, capable women intimidate a lot of men (not all and I am sure Cardaway isn't like that) but quite often men like a trophy on their arm whether she can recite the ABCs or not.

Where do girls get this?? From all over. The media--from commercials to movies to magazines.

Why are they focused on their looks so much? Same reasons. And there moms are having surgery to look younger and have bigger ****s, the right clothing tells people who you really are...the list goes on and on. We're totally focused on the wrong things.

Absent dads often cause daughters to seek attention from males. The wrong kind of attention--well, to a young girl who isn't even sure of what that attention should be, the wrong attention is better than attention. Girls need men in their lives to set positive examples for how they should be treated and to give them self esteem. Having a good dad is sooo important to little girls and teens.

 

[auntpolly]

You see it as man bashing; right? Aren't you the one who said in another thread, about Christians:

It doesn't make sense for a group to brag about how high their percentage is and how powerful they are, only to turn around and complain about how they are being treated, but once again here we are.

Look, if I thought it was about man bashing (the Oprah show), I'd agree with you. That's not what I heard when I watched the show. I heard that women are buying into this crap and selling themselves out. I heard that women are heading down a bad path and we're doing it to each other. Every time I hear a woman say, "I don't get along with women" I cringe. We are our own worst enemy.

We are playing into the hands of a male dominated society -- as it has been forever -- but with all the advantages so many women fought so hard to win for us, shame on us for squandering them.

 

[beckmrk04]

Absent dads often cause daughters to seek attention from males. The wrong kind of attention--well, to a young girl who isn't even sure of what that attention should be, the wrong attention is better than attention. Girls need men in their lives to set positive examples for how they should be treated and to give them self esteem. Having a good dad is sooo important to little girls and teens.

See, I don't really see this as an issue. I think that as long as you have good role models (regardless of gender) and you are taught good values and to respect yourself, then it'll be ok.

But, then again, I didn't have a dad, and neither did my sis. Just my mom- a very strong woman who let us know that we didn't need a man to fulfill us, but if we wanted one, we knew how to pick 'em! And boy, did I pick well! My dh is as good as they get!!!

 

[beckmrk04]

You see it as man bashing; right? Aren't you the one who said in another thread, about Christians:



Look, if I thought it was about man bashing (the Oprah show), I'd agree with you. That's not what I heard when I watched the show. I heard that women are buying into this crap and selling themselves out. I heard that women are heading down a bad path and we're doing it to each other. Every time I hear a woman say, "I don't get along with women" I cringe. We are our own worst enemy.

We are playing into the hands of a male dominated society -- as it has been forever -- but with all the advantages so many women fought so hard to win for us, shame on us for squandering them.

 

[Crankyshank]

I didn't see the show but I know there is so much of this going on with girls.

Honestly, I for Jenz's posts. She is right on with every post.

As the mother of a DD who is 12yo, I think it is about this age where it all starts and I hope we are instilling in her that she doesn't have to dumb herself down to find a partner in life.

This whole issue makes me thinkof Kelly Pickler on American Idol this year. Yeah, she may be that naive but honestly, the dumb blonde show every week gets old quickly. Not all men like that but a lot men do. Smart, capable women intimidate a lot of men (not all and I am sure Cardaway isn't like that) but quite often men like a trophy on their arm whether she can recite the ABCs or not.

Where do girls get this?? From all over. The media--from commercials to movies to magazines.

Thanks
You are right on about Kellie Pickler. I was thinking the same thing. Sure it's possible that she really is that dumb but I tend to think it's more act than it's reality.

and the smart girls might keep the attention longer but they still need to get it in the first place. and how do they get it? by flaunting their bodies and not their brains.
One of my superiors (a male) told me I intimidate him. Sure he was probably kidding to a degree but I don't think he was completely joking. and why is that? Because I don't act like a ditzy girly girl. I ask questions, demand answers, and don't put up with game playing. I think that's the case with a lot of the smart girls.

 

[Buckalew11]

See, I don't really see this as an issue. I think that as long as you have good role models (regardless of gender) and you are taught good values and to respect yourself, then it'll be ok.

But, then again, I didn't have a dad, and neither did my sis. Just my mom- a very strong woman who let us know that we didn't need a man to fulfill us, but if we wanted one, we knew how to pick 'em! And boy, did I pick well! My dh is as good as they get!!!

Good for you!! Obviously your mom and the people she surrounded you with did a great job with you and your sister. So often though, that isn't the case. And the dad doesn't have to be physically absent--I've see it in homes where the parents were there but the dads just never developed relationships with their DDs. And you are right, we don't need a man to fulfill us as women. I have just seen a lot of young girls struggle with this aspect of their lives (wanting male attention) and they end up getting mixed up with the wrong men, repeat mistakes their moms made picking the wrong men etc.

 

[cardaway]

Smart, capable women intimidate a lot of men (not all and I am sure Cardaway isn't like that) but quite often men like a trophy on their arm whether she can recite the ABCs or not.

My first marraige was about looks, but my second is not. Some men just haven't learned their lesson yet.

Where do girls get this?? From all over. The media--from commercials to movies to magazines.

Why are they focused on their looks so much? Same reasons. And there moms are having surgery to look younger and have bigger ****s, the right clothing tells people who you really are...the list goes on and on. We're totally focused on the wrong things.

You're a hair dresser right? No magazines in there showing them what to look like. They're not in there trying to make themsleves more attractive? No offense, but I would say your profession is at least playing into the whole game, if not making it worse. Maybe you're different, but the whole beauty market is certainly part of the problem.

Absent dads often cause daughters to seek attention from males. The wrong kind of attention--well, to a young girl who isn't even sure of what that attention should be, the wrong attention is better than attention. Girls need men in their lives to set positive examples for how they should be treated and to give them self esteem. Having a good dad is sooo important to little girls and teens.

That I agree with.

 

[beckmrk04]

Thanks
You are right on about Kellie Pickler. I was thinking the same thing. Sure it's possible that she really is that dumb but I tend to think it's more act than it's reality.

and the smart girls might keep the attention longer but they still need to get it in the first place. and how do they get it? by flaunting their bodies and not their brains.
One of my superiors (a male) told me I intimidate him. Sure he was probably kidding to a degree but I don't think he was completely joking. and why is that? Because I don't act like a ditzy girly girl. I ask questions, demand answers, and don't put up with game playing. I think that's the case with a lot of the smart girls.

I have experienced this too- where a man has said that I was intimidating. Yeah- I'm 5'4". But, like you, I don't put up with games, have expectations and expect them to be met, I ask questions, demand answers and I am SMART! And I relish it! Looks fade.

Luckily, my dh loves me because of my intelligence! He thinks I'm cute too, but I sure wasn't taking my shirt off at a bar to get his attention- our first date was at the Art Museum. He's an art major and was impressed at how much art history I knew!

 

[cardaway]

You see it as man bashing; right? Aren't you the one who said in another thread, about Christians:

If males had anywhere near the numbers difference Chistians do over other religions

or

If the demographic of daytime TV was equal

or

If any male host had the same power Oprah does you that might make sense.

With that not being the case it's just another reach on your part to take a shot. Given your repsponeses to me lately I'd rather just ignore each other for now on.

 

[Buckalew11]

Thanks
You are right on about Kellie Pickler. I was thinking the same thing. Sure it's possible that she really is that dumb but I tend to think it's more act than it's reality.

and the smart girls might keep the attention longer but they still need to get it in the first place. and how do they get it? by flaunting their bodies and not their brains.
One of my superiors (a male) told me I intimidate him. Sure he was probably kidding to a degree but I don't think he was completely joking. and why is that? Because I don't act like a ditzy girly girl. I ask questions, demand answers, and don't put up with game playing. I think that's the case with a lot of the smart girls.

Again, I totally agree.
I already see the boys intimidated by DD because she does well in school. Some of the boys are impressed because she can throw a football better than them and some don't want to play with her for the same reason!
Never mind that she can fish, drive the boat, built a fire in the woods and pick up snakes once she identifies them! I pray she will never see the day that she thinks she has to play dumb to impress a boy.

Yesterday I volunteered at school while state testing was going on. I actually heard a boy telling a girl on the playground that she was to clean his shoes after "recess". Not because she had dirtied them--just because they were dirty. And somehow, this little 11yo girl, who obviously liked this 11yo boy, was acting liked it would be a privilege and honor to clean his shoes. Well, don't think that I didn;t open my mouth and comment!!

 

[auntpolly]

If males had anywhere near the numbers difference Chistians do over other religions

or

If the demographic of daytime TV was equal

or

If any male host had the same power Oprah does you that might make sense.

With that not being the case it's just another reach on your part to take a shot. Given your repsponeses to me lately I'd rather just ignore each other for now on.

you really don't hear how you talk to people do you. oh well, I guess I'm talking to air, since you are ignoring me. I thought you were one of those "dish it out but could take it" people but I guess I was wrong. You want to be biting and critical, but you get your feelings hurt when someone just wants to debate intensely? I haven't said anything to you to be ashamed about.

 

[beckmrk04]

you really don't hear how you talk to people do you. oh well, I guess I'm talking to air, since you are ignoring me. I thought you were one of those "dish it out but could take it" people but I guess I was wrong. You want to be biting and critical, but you get your feelings hurt when someone just wants to debate intensely? I haven't said anything to you to be ashamed about.

I was thinking the same thing when I got called out on being rude...

 

[jgmklmhem]

I find it very interesting that not one woman on here has commented on how boys do crap just to get the girls attention just in different ways (such as being the bad-boy or being the one who buys the most presents or the one who has the coolest car and also the one that is the better looking). Being the "homely smart nice guy" in high-school didn't exactly make me the top of the list in dating circles. Girls treated the guys pretty much the exact same way that guys were treating girls.

 

[cardaway]

you really don't hear how you talk to people do you. oh well, I guess I'm talking to air, since you are ignoring me. I thought you were one of those "dish it out but could take it" people but I guess I was wrong. You want to be biting and critical, but you get your feelings hurt when someone just wants to debate intensely? I haven't said anything to you to be ashamed about.

So are you admitting that was a shot or not?

I took to ignoring you because like so many others here, you like to pretend you play nice and label other posts as the bad ones. Today's shot was just one I didn't want to ignore.

I'm just fine with people who can admit they're dishing it out.

 

[discernment]

So are you admitting that was a shot or not?

I took to ignoring you because like so many others here, you like to pretend you play nice and label other posts as the bad ones. Today's shot was just one I didn't want to ignore.

I'm just fine with people who can admit they're dishing it out.

 

[Buckalew11]

You're a hair dresser right? No magazines in there showing them what to look like. They're not in there trying to make themsleves more attractive? No offense, but I would say your profession is at least playing into the whole game, if not making it worse. Maybe you're different, but the whole beauty market is certainly part of the problem.

Mike, I am a hairdresser. And trust me, what you bring up has over the last 23 years been an issue for me. And I will be quite honest about myself and say, yeah, I am different. I own my own shop so I can do things my way now! And I don't keep magazines in my shop that I feel give girls the wrong message. In fact, I have received free waiting room copies and disposed of them because I wasn't going to set them out & be part of sending wrong messages. Having a DD myself has made me very aware of the messages that girls are sent.

I will never be a rich hairdresser because of the way I am. I will not color and highlight little girl's hair. And if their parents think it is OK, then they'll go somewhere else because I will not do it. I will not be sending a child that type of message and hook them into a service that will need to be continued and expensive at that. Am I losing $$? Sure I am. Coloring children's hair is becoming a biggie in my industry. But I don't have to go along with it. And if parents want to allow it and pay for it, more power to them. I don't care. I just won't be doing it, that's all.

I feel that I am in an industry that easily sends the wrong messages to women. Thankfully, I am aware of it and really do try not to give in to that pressure. But at the same time, we all know the difference between a good hair day and a bad hair day!!