Once Upon A Time

[KrazyPete]

And if Rumpel has all this power in Fairy Tale Land, how did he end up behind bars?

Episode 4: The Price of Gold
It's the Cinderella episode. Remember they used a magic quill to imprison him? I'm still not entirely sure that he didn't go into that willingly. He seemed to have full knowledge of the plot to me.

 

[threeboysmom]

I agree, Pete. Rumpel DEFINITELY knew that the quill was magic, but went along with the "set-up" regardless. He also knew Snow was having a girl even though Charming had already informed him it was a boy. He had to have known Cinderella wasn't carrying twins either, but he went along with the pretense anyways. Why?

I missed a lot of the conversation in last night's episode because of family being "noisy" lol, but my observations...

Made me like Rumpel all the more

Baelfire - did the knight say something about him being a *******? Wonder if they will explore that story more, especially if he turns out not to be Rumpel's son after all.

Rumpel's wife - does make me think Regina... but I think Rumpel confirmed with his son that she's dead? However, he may have meant in a figurative way.

The beggar that he gave money too turned out to be the Dark One in the end that he killed. When Rumpel was given the power, he seemed to dislike it and asked "why me?" or something like that... Dark One/Zoso said he recognized a desperate soul. Mr. Gold also says something similar to Emma about being a desperate soul. He could be looking to transfer the power ?? but, I don't know, he "seems" to enjoy it too much.

Still would like to know his reason for wanting first born children.

The name thing.... does this mean everytime he knows someone's name, it gives him power over that person? Once he saw the name of the Dark Lord written on the dagger, he has power over the Dark One. I noticed the Knight at the beginning of the story didn't know Rumpel's name... called him a couple of other things... but then Rumpel told him. But now that Rumpel has the dagger and his name is written on it, perhaps he doesn't want others to know his name? There has to be a reason why Henry doesn't know his name, nor Emma...

I'm just rambling. The name thing confuses me. He NEEDED to know Emma's name for a reason. Was it to have power over her? Or was it simply so he could track her and bring her back to Storybrooke somehow when the time was right?

 

[LKFan]

The name thing.... does this mean everytime he knows someone's name, it gives him power over that person? Once he saw the name of the Dark Lord written on the dagger, he has power over the Dark One. I noticed the Knight at the beginning of the story didn't know Rumpel's name... called him a couple of other things... but then Rumpel told him. But now that Rumpel has the dagger and his name is written on it, perhaps he doesn't want others to know his name? There has to be a reason why Henry doesn't know his name, nor Emma...

I'm just rambling. The name thing confuses me. He NEEDED to know Emma's name for a reason. Was it to have power over her? Or was it simply so he could track her and bring her back to Storybrooke somehow when the time was right?

Why did Rumple want the power? To save his son or to help him fit back into society? Here are some clips from next week's show. http://vimeo.com/34777258 The last one is interesting with respect to Emma and Rumple's relationship.

I think he wanted Emma's name in order to find her in Storybrooke.

As far as people not knowing his name, isn't that the story of Rumplestilskin - that the miller's daughter who becomes queen has three tries to guess his name?

From Wikipedia:
In order to make himself appear more important, a miller lied to a king, telling him that his daughter could spin straw into gold. The king called for the girl, shut her in a tower room with straw and a spinning wheel, and demanded that she spin the straw into gold by morning, for three nights, or be executed (other versions have the king threatening to lock her up in a dungeon forever). She had given up all hope, when an impish creature appeared in the room and spun straw into gold for her in return for her necklace, then again the following night for her ring. On the third night, when she had nothing with which to reward him, the strange creature spun straw into gold for a promise that the girl's first-born child would become his.

The king was so impressed that he married the miller's daughter, but when their first child was born, the imp returned to claim his payment: "Now give me what you promised". The queen was frightened and offered him all the wealth she had if she could keep the child. The imp refused but finally agreed to give up his claim to the child if the queen could guess his name in three days. At first she failed, but before the final night, her messenger discovered the imp's remote mountain cottage and, unseen, overheard the imp hopping about his fire and singing.

Today I brew, tomorrow I bake;
And then the Prince child I will take;
For no one knows my little game
That Rumpelstiltskin is my name!

When the imp came to the queen on the third day and she revealed his name, Rumpelstiltskin lost his bargain.

 

[fairestoneofall]

Anyone else catch the Hidden Mickey tonight? In Mr. Gold's shop in the glass case. I think that there might have been another one behind him on the shelf too, but I couldn't quite tell.

I love all the details in this show!

i saw it! i showed it to my kids. i think the lamp higher on the shelf was Minnie. the item in the lower display was definitely Mickey.

 

[wdwiala]

Why did Rumple want the power? To save his son or to help him fit back into society? Here are some clips from next week's show. http://vimeo.com/34777258 The last one is interesting with respect to Emma and Rumple's relationship.

I think he wanted Emma's name in order to find her in Storybrooke.

As far as people not knowing his name, isn't that the story of Rumplestilskin - that the miller's daughter who becomes queen has three tries to guess his name?

From Wikipedia:
In order to make himself appear more important, a miller lied to a king, telling him that his daughter could spin straw into gold. The king called for the girl, shut her in a tower room with straw and a spinning wheel, and demanded that she spin the straw into gold by morning, for three nights, or be executed (other versions have the king threatening to lock her up in a dungeon forever). She had given up all hope, when an impish creature appeared in the room and spun straw into gold for her in return for her necklace, then again the following night for her ring. On the third night, when she had nothing with which to reward him, the strange creature spun straw into gold for a promise that the girl's first-born child would become his.

The king was so impressed that he married the miller's daughter, but when their first child was born, the imp returned to claim his payment: "Now give me what you promised". The queen was frightened and offered him all the wealth she had if she could keep the child. The imp refused but finally agreed to give up his claim to the child if the queen could guess his name in three days. At first she failed, but before the final night, her messenger discovered the imp's remote mountain cottage and, unseen, overheard the imp hopping about his fire and singing.

Today I brew, tomorrow I bake;
And then the Prince child I will take;
For no one knows my little game
That Rumpelstiltskin is my name!

When the imp came to the queen on the third day and she revealed his name, Rumpelstiltskin lost his bargain.

Very interesting. Yet, the queen does not seem to have total control over him. I had thought that perhaps the son takes the dagger and, of course, he knows his name. Maybe he holds his father's power in check.

As a former Lostie, I feel as if they are making the show too simplistic so far. I wish that it was more intertwined and um....what's the word...deep. It is as if they didn't expect viewers to take apart each episode so completely. I am hoping that the show becomes more "complicated". Anyone know what I mean?

 

[KrazyPete]

As a former Lostie, I feel as if they are making the show too simplistic so far. I wish that it was more intertwined and um....what's the word...deep. It is as if they didn't expect viewers to take apart each episode so completely. I am hoping that the show becomes more "complicated". Anyone know what I mean?

I watched a few episodes of the first season of Lost and liked it ok, but it wasn't on at a good time for me to catch it regularly. I saw a much later "pop up video" episode that attempted to catch people up on the story by popping informational bubbles every few seconds. I thought it was ridiculously convoluted. Honestly, I think that's one reason why the series isn't on the air anymore. It had its fans but it was so complicated it couldn't possibly grow it's audience.

I'd be fine with Once Upon having less of that.

 

[Zandy595]

Very interesting. Yet, the queen does not seem to have total control over him. I had thought that perhaps the son takes the dagger and, of course, he knows his name. Maybe he holds his father's power in check.

As a former Lostie, I feel as if they are making the show too simplistic so far. I wish that it was more intertwined and um....what's the word...deep. It is as if they didn't expect viewers to take apart each episode so completely. I am hoping that the show becomes more "complicated". Anyone know what I mean?

I know what you mean, but I don't want it to become too complicated and make us think too much. I like more black and white, than gray. If that makes any sense.

 

[happygirl]

I didn't like last night show to much, to me it was kinda of boring

 

[LKFan]

I didn't like last night show to much, to me it was kinda of boring

Last night's show wasn't the best but it was more of a transition -- bringing Sidney Glass in as a character, formalizing Emma as the sheriff, etc. It also gave us background info on Rumple which will most likely be important down the road.

Next week's episode with Hansel and Gretel looks better.

 

[KrazyPete]

I agree, Pete. Rumpel DEFINITELY knew that the quill was magic, but went along with the "set-up" regardless. He also knew Snow was having a girl even though Charming had already informed him it was a boy. He had to have known Cinderella wasn't carrying twins either, but he went along with the pretense anyways. Why?

I'd like to know more about the limits of Rumpel's power. He's not all-powerful. He can somehow discern a lot of things that seem hidden to him (ie: the gender of an unborn child). But, he can't read minds or he would just pull the child's name out of the mother's head without having to ask. Maybe he saw something about Snow's expression when Charming said they were having a son that tipped him off? Maybe, his appreciation for Cinderella's quill was a way to fish around the subject of a trap so he could judge her expressions and body language as well. Why did he want the Fairy Godmother's wand? Does it have some special power that he didn't?

After last night, it's clear that he has some kind of magic power but what is it? Is there any reason to think it carried over into Storybrooke?

 

[Hoodie]

I watched a few episodes of the first season of Lost and liked it ok, but it wasn't on at a good time for me to catch it regularly. I saw a much later "pop up video" episode that attempted to catch people up on the story by popping informational bubbles every few seconds. I thought it was ridiculously convoluted. Honestly, I think that's one reason why the series isn't on the air anymore. It had its fans but it was so complicated it couldn't possibly grow it's audience.

I'd be fine with Once Upon having less of that.

Actually, Lost was intended to run 4-5 seasons (it ran 6, but the last 3 were half seasons so it hit dead on). From the pilot episode, there was a guide for the entire series.

I've been wondering if it's the same intention for OUAT. Does it have a pre-determined length? I guess it could be cancelled sooner but I'm wondering if I should only expect 4 seasons!

 

[gometros]

Actually, Lost was intended to run 4-5 seasons (it ran 6, but the last 3 were half seasons so it hit dead on). From the pilot episode, there was a guide for the entire series.

I've been wondering if it's the same intention for OUAT. Does it have a pre-determined length? I guess it could be cancelled sooner but I'm wondering if I should only expect 4 seasons!

I don't know if it's predetermined, but I'll bet I know what the final episode will be called - "And They Lived Happily Ever After."

 

[threeboysmom]

I'd like to know more about the limits of Rumpel's power. He's not all-powerful. He can somehow discern a lot of things that seem hidden to him (ie: the gender of an unborn child). But, he can't read minds or he would just pull the child's name out of the mother's head without having to ask. Maybe he saw something about Snow's expression when Charming said they were having a son that tipped him off? Maybe, his appreciation for Cinderella's quill was a way to fish around the subject of a trap so he could judge her expressions and body language as well. Why did he want the Fairy Godmother's wand? Does it have some special power that he didn't?

After last night, it's clear that he has some kind of magic power but what is it? Is there any reason to think it carried over into Storybrooke?

For some reason, I was thinking Rumpel could foresee the future... Not sure where I heard it though. Did Snow White reference this in the first couple of episodes? Or maybe it was Ella... but I'm leaning towards Snow White. Could be just their perception of him though.

 

[KrazyPete]

For some reason, I was thinking Rumpel could foresee the future... Not sure where I heard it though. Did Snow White reference this in the first couple of episodes? Or maybe it was Ella... but I'm leaning towards Snow White. Could be just their perception of him though.

I'm not sure. If it were true, then he should be able to foresee things like Emma's name and the location of the Fairy Godmother right?

Looked it up: In episode one, "he can see the future" was Snow's argument for going to see Rumpel. He did proceed to lay out the bit out their child coming back when she was 28. Also, when the gender question came up Charming and Snow's backs were to Rumple(not much opportunity to discern anything from Snow's body language). Why did they think that the robes they wore when they went to see him would hide their identities?

 

[beattyfamily]

It was mentioned in the first episode that Rumple can see the future:

Back to the fairytale Snow White is pregnant and The Prince is trying to reassure her that the Evil Queen is not going to do anything. Snow White asks to speak to ‘him’. Whoever ‘he’ is he can see the future, but he is locked up somewhere.

Back to the fairytale Snow White and Prince Charming are going to see an imprisoned mad genius – it’s Rumpelstiltskin! He knows why they are there and Snow White wants him to tell what he knows. He will but they have to give him something. He wants their unborn child’s name and Snow White want to know what he knows. He tells her that the Queen has put a curse where they will all be locked up in time while they lose everything they love and there will be no more happy ending and the Queen will relish her victory. Rumpelstiltskin tells Snow White that her baby is the only hope, they need to get her to safety. At her 28 birthday she will come back and the final battle will begin. Rumpelstiltskin asks what her name is and Snow White replies ‘Emma.’

I'm wondering if Rumple and/or the EQ still have their powers in Storybrooke?? It's bugging me.

 

[LKFan]

Looked it up: In episode one, "he can see the future" was Snow's argument for going to see Rumpel. He did proceed to lay out the bit out their child coming back when she was 28. Also, when the gender question came up Charming and Snow's backs were to Rumple(not much opportunity to discern anything from Snow's body language). Why did they think that the robes they wore when they went to see him would hide their identities?

Didn't Rumple tell the EQ how to make the curse (ie. use the heart of a loved one)? If so, would he know the conditions of the curse and how it could be broken?

I've wondered, if Rumple were so bad, why did he tell SW and PC the truth about getting their child to safety? If he wanted the curse to hold (and for him to presumably be in a better place -- as he negotiated with the EQ), why would he want SW's baby to be safe and come back?

Exactly what was the issue that Mr Gold referenced when talking to Regina in the second episode (next to the apple tree that Emma hacked)? Clearly, there is a power struggle between the two of them.

 

[KrazyPete]

I'm rewatching "That Still Small Voice." It wasn't in the marathon so I haven't gotten a second look at it yet. Emma and Regina are arguing about which of them should go down the hole. So... how about the wonderful Sheriff Graham? Why wasn't he putting on the harness while the girls were arguing?

Update: Now, I'm watching last night's episode again and I spotted the Mickey you all were talking about. I don't know how I missed it the first time. It's a phone and I have the exact same one on the desk behind me right now.

 

[KrazyPete]

Exactly what was the issue that Mr Gold referenced when talking to Regina in the second episode (next to the apple tree that Emma hacked)? Clearly, there is a power struggle between the two of them.

He was just "in the neighborhood and decided to pop by." The conversation quickly turned to the subject of Emma Swan. Regina to demands that he tell her what he knows about Emma and he refuses. She actually accused him of wanting Emma to come to Storybrook, and of bringing Henry there for that purpose. At one point he says, "I would say, you think you know exactly who she is."

I kinda think they aren't enemies. He told her when she confronted him in the shop last night that they were both working for "the common good." I get the feeling he was reassuring her that they were still on the same team just pursuing different strategies.

Didn't Rumple tell the EQ how to make the curse (ie. use the heart of a loved one)? If so, would he know the conditions of the curse and how it could be broken?

You're right. I suppose that it's possible his foresight is just fore planning.

I've wondered, if Rumple were so bad, why did he tell SW and PC the truth about getting their child to safety? If he wanted the curse to hold (and for him to presumably be in a better place -- as he negotiated with the EQ), why would he want SW's baby to be safe and come back?

Yes, the question is, what is Rumpel's motivation? I'd love to hear some theories on that one.

 

[LKFan]

He was just "in the neighborhood and decided to pop by." The conversation quickly turned to the subject of Emma Swan. Regina to demands that he tell her what he knows about Emma and he refuses. She actually accused him of wanting Emma to come to Storybrook, and of bringing Henry there for that purpose. At one point he says, "I would say, you think you know exactly who she is."

No, it was something at the very end where he said something to the tone of "you remember what happened last time." I think the camera went to Regina's face and then to closing credits. I'm not 100% sure but will have to go back and watch the episode.

 

[KrazyPete]

No, it was something at the very end where he said something to the tone of "you remember what happened last time." I think the camera went to Regina's face and then to closing credits. I'm not 100% sure but will have to go back and watch the episode.

He offered to take care of Emma for her, "for a price" and she said she was not making deals with him anymore.

"To which deal are you referring?"
"You know what deal."
"Oh right right, the boy I procured for you. Henry"

Is that what you're referring to? Of course, the last thing he said to her was "please" before he turned and walked away.

Incidentally, I'm not finding episode 2 on ABC.com anymore but Hulu still has it.