On line reservation booking?

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We bought resales last month at BWV. Today I received a courtesy call from a CM from "Quality Assurance" at MS to make sure we received our member cards and had the info to access our account on line as he said you know you can bank points online.

This may be old news but I asked the CM if online booking would be available anytime soon. The answer was yes, probably during the next year.
 
Don't hold your breath..they've been saying "next year" for several years now. ;) In reality, a DVC reservation system that considers home resort priority, current availability, multiple contracts, banking, borrowings, and all the other DVC aspects would be complicated to take live on the internet and have it be "user friendly" as well as reliable and accurate, especially during peak reservation times.
 
I thought it was too good to be true.

I guess I showed my newbie side on this one.

Live and learn.
 
It could seem easy at first glance, as hotels have on-line reservations all the time. But there all you have to do is give a credit card number.

DVC reservations are actually fairly complex. Consider the following:

  • The system would first have to check if your dues have been paid and are up to date.

  • Next, if you have a loan, it would need to check to see if you are up to date on your payments.

  • It would have to determine what Use Year is required for your reservation dates. EG a reservation for August 2007 would be in the 2007 Use year for someone with a February Use year month, but would be in the 2006 Use year for someone with an October Use year month.

  • It would need to check the status of all your points within that use year. There are five different categories of points: Regular, Banked, Borrowed, Holding, Reservation. It would have to present you with a listing of which of those points could actually be used and cannot be used. And if you've had points transferred in from another member, that can really complicate it as transferred points are suppose to retain their original use year and home resort. This is a major problem if those transferred points don't match a home resort and use year month that you also have. (this has been the 'point morphing' problem that DVC had to work on for a long time)

  • If you are trying to make a reservation more than 7-months ahead, it would need to check that the points you want to use are all Home Resort points.

  • You may own at different resorts and want to make a reservation at 6-months. Say you own OKW, SSR, and AKV but want to make a reservation at BCV. It would have to present you with all your choices and you would have to tell it how many points you wanted to use from which contracts. Maybe you want to use 50 of your OKW points, 10 of your SSR points, and 5 of your AKV points to make a 65 point BCV reservation.

  • OK, everything is correct up to this point. Now it has to check availability. You have to give it a resort, villa type, and in some cases a view. With all the combinations at AKV, that alone would be quite some computer program. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't AKV that is causing the current delay for introducing on-line booking.

  • Finally it would have to present you with a list of requests you could select from, or even have to have some place you could type in your requests.

  • Remember, all this has to be done in real time, dynamically. That means it would have to put a temporary 'hold' on your reservation and wait for you to click the 'OK' button, else someone else could try to be reserving the same room, and it may be the last one available.

  • And if the room wasn't available, you might want to waitlist. Adding that to the equation complicates things even more. Especially since there are different option for wait-lists: EG, notification of availability, automatically booking, waitlist expiration time.

There are other things that have to be accounted for in creating an on-line reservation system such as collecting the names of everyone who will be using the resort, generating a confirmation number and automatically generating the reservation letter that is sent out.

And day-by-day booking? I'd say forget it. For that you'd have to call MS. Programming day-by-day would really complicate things.

Many of us believe a good first step would simply be to have DVC develop an on-line program that simply allowed checking availability. This alone would cut down on numerous phone calls to MS.

Many of you know I've been working a long time on a point tracking program. It addresses ALL of the above issues. So believe me, it's no easy task.:teacher:
 

I just booked on line.
It was really easy. It allowed me to borrow from my future year points.
Within 2 days of putting in my request I received an email from a cast member stating that my original date's and locations weren't available and would I like another choice of date or location. So I replied back that we could shift left or right on the calendar by 1 week and Any DW DVC would be fine.
2 days later I received a confirmation for my reservation.
Ted
 
It could seem easy at first glance, as hotels have on-line reservations all the time. But there all you have to do is give a credit card number.

DVC reservations are actually fairly complex. Consider the following:

  • The system would first have to check if your dues have been paid and are up to date.

  • Next, if you have a loan, it would need to check to see if you are up to date on your payments.

  • It would have to determine what Use Year is required for your reservation dates. EG a reservation for August 2007 would be in the 2007 Use year for someone with a February Use year month, but would be in the 2006 Use year for someone with an October Use year month.

  • It would need to check the status of all your points within that use year. There are five different categories of points: Regular, Banked, Borrowed, Holding, Reservation. It would have to present you with a listing of which of those points could actually be used and cannot be used. And if you've had points transferred in from another member, that can really complicate it as transferred points are suppose to retain their original use year and home resort. This is a major problem if those transferred points don't match a home resort and use year month that you also have. (this has been the 'point morphing' problem that DVC had to work on for a long time)

  • If you are trying to make a reservation more than 7-months ahead, it would need to check that the points you want to use are all Home Resort points.

  • You may own at different resorts and want to make a reservation at 6-months. Say you own OKW, SSR, and AKV but want to make a reservation at BCV. It would have to present you with all your choices and you would have to tell it how many points you wanted to use from which contracts. Maybe you want to use 50 of your OKW points, 10 of your SSR points, and 5 of your AKV points to make a 65 point BCV reservation.

  • OK, everything is correct up to this point. Now it has to check availability. You have to give it a resort, villa type, and in some cases a view. With all the combinations at AKV, that alone would be quite some computer program. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't AKV that is causing the current delay for introducing on-line booking.

  • Finally it would have to present you with a list of requests you could select from, or even have to have some place you could type in your requests.

  • Remember, all this has to be done in real time, dynamically. That means it would have to put a temporary 'hold' on your reservation and wait for you to click the 'OK' button, else someone else could try to be reserving the same room, and it may be the last one available.

  • And if the room wasn't available, you might want to waitlist. Adding that to the equation complicates things even more. Especially since there are different option for wait-lists: EG, notification of availability, automatically booking, waitlist expiration time.

There are other things that have to be accounted for in creating an on-line reservation system such as collecting the names of everyone who will be using the resort, generating a confirmation number and automatically generating the reservation letter that is sent out.

And day-by-day booking? I'd say forget it. For that you'd have to call MS. Programming day-by-day would really complicate things.

Many of us believe a good first step would simply be to have DVC develop an on-line program that simply allowed checking availability. This alone would cut down on numerous phone calls to MS.

Many of you know I've been working a long time on a point tracking program. It addresses ALL of the above issues. So believe me, it's no easy task.:teacher:

Sounds like you've got it all figured out. :thumbsup2

Now quit wasting your time on the dis-boards, write the program and sell it to DVD. :woohoo:

PS :love: your tracking program! How's the new release coming?
 
I just booked on line.
It was really easy. It allowed me to borrow from my future year points.
Within 2 days of putting in my request I received an email from a cast member stating that my original date's and locations weren't available and would I like another choice of date or location. So I replied back that we could shift left or right on the calendar by 1 week and Any DW DVC would be fine.
2 days later I received a confirmation for my reservation.
Ted

I wouldn't call that online booking. I would call that sending a reservation request by e-mail. Online booking would check availability and give you the results immediately and allow you to book immediately. Not waiting 2 days.
 
I really think on-line booking (true online booking, not just email) would be difficult at best and impossible at worst. I like the fact that I can real time talk to someone and make decisions on th fly about a change in plans should what I want not be available. Everytime I get to fill out the "survey" at the end of an MS call, I vote for phone reservations over online.
 
I just took the 'random' survey yesterday after my phone call with MS and the final question was in which way would I rather make reservations. I voted for people, because people can help think of things that I'm not thinking of and can help with additional questions on the fly if I have them. One would think that if online booking was a done deal, they would not be asking about preferences in a survey.
 
I think a combination of online lookups with live, online chat would be workable. There have been several occasions where doing it online would have been more convenient that making a phone call. This would keep the "human element" in the equation and just provide another means to communicate with MS.

I did the online request for a trip next March and got what I wanted with confirmation about 2 days later. It would have been nice to be able to see availability and confirm things quicker had I been planning a trip closer in time.
 
I just took the 'random' survey yesterday after my phone call with MS and the final question was in which way would I rather make reservations. I voted for people, because people can help think of things that I'm not thinking of and can help with additional questions on the fly if I have them. One would think that if online booking was a done deal, they would not be asking about preferences in a survey.

I have always voted for people too when taking the random survey which I seem to get every time I call. I'm somewhat ambivalent about attempting to create a real time, online reservation capability, but I wonder whether there isn't some middle ground here, i.e., how feasible would it be to develop a real-time, after-hours, capability to show availability, with actual reservations still requiring a phone call?
 
I suspect what some of you are asking for in the line of seeing available units on-line is in reality the way it currently works for the MS people. Many of you know how frustrating it is when your MS person is booking for you and a day in the middle of your trip suddenly disappears. Well, imagine if we had online booking....That would happen to lots of us all the time, and we would NOT be happy. I still want to keep it as is.
 
I for one, prefer to book on-line. My experience with MS has been hit or miss. Some MS Advisers have been knowledgeable and proficient others know less than we do. All of my AKV point problems have been due to human error. Reading the posts on this forum also makes me think that on-line booking would solve many problems. Calling at 8:59 AM hoping to get a knowledgeable Adviser. Waiting on hold while they try to figure out what to do. Making a excuse so you can call back with the hope of getting a Adviser that you can work with. Calling back to see if they did their job correctly. These are all things that many of us have done. On-line booking would change the way we do business and enable us to book 24/7. Seems like a step in the right direction to me. I think it's just a matter of time. :surfweb:
 
Although checking availability online would be great, I also believe that online booking would turn into a nightmare. But, there's also quite a few new people at MS, one of which totally messed up my points (borrowed from 2008 from SSR instead of using up, as requested, my remaining 2006 & 2007 BWV points). Thankfully, when I called back the next day I got a really good lady that fixed everything.
 
I think online will be hard but do-able. I will use it when available.

Once the algorithm is programmed entirely, a computer will be much more reliable for checking all the eventualities and provisos than a CM.

:wizard:
 











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