**OFFICIAL THREAD**Survivor: Panama

[kbmoo]

I still think Terry deserves to win. I think has played to hardest and most honest game so far. I really want Shane to go. What's with him sticking his stomach out all the time? He just gets on my nerves.

 

[CPM]

That usually means being deceitful.

I guess deceitful is in the eye of the beholder.
Just remember Terry at the beginning. If his plan had worked out for him, he would be just as deceitful as the rest of them right now.

 

[4greatboys]

I think the only past winner of Survivor that I feel truly deserved that title was the fire-fighter from Palau (whose name totally escapes me right now LOL). I don't like it when the schemers win. I prefer people who play the game rather than work around it.

Tom was his name. he played a lot like Terry and I was rooting for him too. I also would much rather see someone win who has busted their butt out there to get far in the game. Rather than someone who just hides in shadows and lies to everyone. Terry has to give 100% everytime they have a challenge and the others dont, proven when most of the sat out that challenge to eat hamburgers.

 

[momm2four]

The Survivor logo has THREE words on it. Outwit...Outplay...Outlast.

As far as outwit..it depends on your definition of outwitting someone. If you think of this term to mean manipulating people to get them to do what you want, then no, Terry probably hasn't dominated in this area (although I would like to point out that he had his first tribe pretty much at his beck and call). If you think of outwitting someone as beating them in mental challenges, then he's got that part covered.

Outplay....Terry gives every single challenge and every task 110%. When the odds are so stacked against you and you are STILL in the last five, I don't think anyone can argue that you are outplaying the other players. I guess I think of it like a soccer tournament, the last few teams are in the finals because they OUTPLAY the other teams.

Outlast... Once again, I don't see how you can argue this one. To have everyone in the game against you and lasting until the final five...NOW that's the definition of outlasting, IMO

Honestly, I think it comes down to how an individual defines "Ultimate Survivor", and what someone thinks makes a good player. There are no rules in Survivor that say that a finalist who manipulates people with ease is any better than someone who makes it to the end on sheer will and power or vice versa. The point is they made it to the finals...something that 14 other people didn't/couldn't do.

Lori P.

 

[bicker]

Terry gives every single challenge and every task 110%.

So does Aras. And Aras has been very smart in this game as well -- even more so than Terry given that he helped build and sustain the alliance that prevailed -- and has lasted as long as Terry.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

However, Aras has lasted with the help of an alliance, not is spite of it.

 

[bicker]

Which means he did a smarter, more effect job building a foundation for his game.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Which means he did a smarter, more effect job building a foundation for his game.

See, I don't see it quite the same way. Aras got to the merge with numbers on his side. No "outwitting" there. Since that time, most of Casaya has been riding the gravy train. Last week was the first time they had to vote for one of their own, and look how the backstabbing and underhandedness (forgive me if that isn't even a word ) reared it's ugly head.

I will be interested to see what happens next week. The preview show both Aras and Cirie lying to Shane about the voting. Not an alliance I would want to be a part of.

 

[Alicnwondrln]

i think aras has had it way easier
if terry had no won all the immunities he would be gone
aras is winning cuz Cereie is wrapped around his finger and they are both lying to Shane
who is apparetnly to stupid to see they are gonna screw him

 

[momm2four]

So does Aras. And Aras has been very smart in this game as well -- even more so than Terry given that he helped build and sustain the alliance that prevailed -- and has lasted as long as Terry.

Although I would argue that the only reason Aras is not gone is because Cerie saved him, I do like him and hope that if Terry doesn't win, Aras does.

Lori P.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I thought it was interesting that Danielle was griping about only being in the final three if she voted with Terry and Courtney and Cerie saying she had not come this far to "only" be in the final four. Since they both lied (by supposedly entering an alliance, which they could just have easily forgone), I think that very ending or sooner would be appropriate for each of them. This has been a really disappointing Survivor. I hate it when one group has so much power when they merge that the others are just victims.

sharon

 

[gometros]

Terry wasn't successful convincing anyone that it would be best to jump into an alliance with him.

Survivor isn't about who makes the best alliance, it is about who outplays the others. There are three legs to Survivor (Outwit, Outplay, outlast). SO he failed at outwitting, but he sure as heck is outplaying and so far outlasting all the others. And if he did swing Courtney to his side by reaching out to her and maybe another Casya member for the final two if he gets that far, then he did enough to outwit as well.

 

[lbgraves]

I don`t understand why they don`t send Shane to exile Island?



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Honestly, I think that they are afraid of what he would do when he came back. That guy is seriously messed up. If they vote him off, they don't have to see him again until the final night.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Terry alluded to using his immunity idol to save a couple of his alliance-mates, and then reneged. I found that ridiculously short-sighted. He surely doesn't deserve to win.

I coudl have sworn each time he said it was IF they could get someone to promise to vote with them. They couldn't--so he kept it.

 

[bicker]

Survivor isn't about who makes the best alliance

I disagree. Making strong alliances is one of the most critical aspects of the game.

SO he failed at outwitting, but he sure as heck is outplaying and so far outlasting all the others.

Actually, he hasn't outlasted any of the remaining players. He is outplaying them... so one out of three. That's not bad.

 

[gometros]

I disagree. Making strong alliances is one of the most critical aspects of the game.

Actually, he hasn't outlasted any of the remaining players. He is outplaying them... so one out of three. That's not bad.

But, if he wins it all, then he wil have OUTLASTED all the players. And as it is, he has outlasted 11 other players.

As far as alliances goes, that's your opinion. You have decided to define outwitting as focused on alliances, but there is more to outwitting than that. There is the way Terry has used the immunity idol to his advantage, there are the more brain based challenges, etc. I think you are underrating the disadvatge Terry has been at with being the only surviving member of his tribe. The only Survivor I can remeber (I may be wrong here) where the minority was able to swing members of one tribe to their side was when Pascal and Neleh used the others' cockiness to their advantage to sway the votes. And if it wasn't for a little rock, that could have carried them a lot farther. In all other survivors, it's been nearly impossible once the tribes merged with one tribe having the advantage in numbers, for the minoruty team to get anyone to the final four.

 

[Beth76]

I disagree. Making strong alliances is one of the most critical aspects of the game.

Well look how far Terry has gotten without an alliance. So it's obviously not critical to him at this point. If Terry makes it to the final two, he will have done it without an alliance. How many other Survivors can say the same thing?

 

[katerkat]

I think Terry is doing pretty well at outlasting - he's survived this far, after all! And outwitting - well, he might have just reached Courtney at a critical point - depending on who Terry faces in the F2 (if he does, of course), she might give him his vote. She's certainly not going to vote for anyone who betrayed her last week! He might not have been able to break the Casaya alliance, but if he outplays them (ie, wins enough immunity), they might break down enough on their own for him to make strategic "friendships" before they get voted off.

But, as a disclaimer, I have a thing for pilots.

 

[PhotobearSam]

I just wonder why Aras is not shaking things up as I know he must feel like a target. He said so at the last tribal Council and did not feel safe enough to sit and eat burgers with the rest of the tribe.

Just wondering.

Cirie (spelling?) is pretty impressive when she want to be. She is a player. She can crunch the numbers. I don't think Danielle is as good at it.Courtney seemed floored to be sent home...Interesting. I loved the last episode.

 

[4greatboys]

I know a lot of ppl like Cerie but I like her less and less.