ObamaCare Info

Dawn, this is the part that worries me the most: you don't know what the networks really are. I still can't get on the gov website and when I checked the insurance company plans directly some of the coverage says Tier 1, Tier 2 but no info on who is included.

At least by posting and reading here, we will hopefully be informed on what to look for (thanks for your post so we know to examine further on networks) but how many other people that don't check will be stuck with a plan for a year that doesn't cover their local hospital? So the insurance will be "affordable" but unusable.

As a purchaser in the individual market for years, I've had to become acquainted with at least skimming over provider lists. Back a few years ago, the Dr. at our local hospital had a fight with Anthem and were considered out of network. The Hospital itself was in network, but none of the Dr. inside were. I game them 6 months to settle before looking for another plan. They just got back in network June 2013, after nearly 2 years.

Looking at the exchange plans, Anthem in Ohio has said all exchange plan and new individual plans will have a "select network" of Dr. and hospitals. Anthem admits that the network is still in flux but the closest hospital currently listed in network is 45 minutes away. And, there is only 1 primary care physician listed and they are not accepting new patients. Unfortunately, they have some of the best plans I've seen in terms of costs and benefits. But until the network gets nailed down better I don't want to sign up yet.

On the other hand, Medical Mutual of Ohio has said that their network for exchange plans will remain unchanged from their current individual offerings.

But, like you say, how many people know what to look for when buying individual health insurance. I teach college at a local community college and I may look at recommending that they offer a seminar in buying individual insurance on the public and private exchanges.
 
WELL STATED !!!

Everyone should listen to this. If you do you will begin to understand.

Except that he dramatically oversimplifies the math and assumes profit (and without saying so, other costs of operation) as constants. That isn't true under the ACA - for the most part only non-profit insurers met the 80/20 rule before the law took effect. The last company I was with spent just shy of 60% of premiums on patient care. So they can't just jack up the rates to preserve the same level of profits, the same executive compensation, or other business-as-usual.
 

WELL STATED !!!

Everyone should listen to this. If you do you will begin to understand.

He fails to cover any other form of funding than individual premiums... there is WAY more to it than that. Very oversimplified & misleading.
 
Or maybe he is saying to look at both sides, do the calculations, think about it then make an objective, not subjective, decision.
 
Or maybe he is saying to look at both sides, do the calculations, think about it then make an objective, not subjective, decision.

yes possible, but in a "simple stupid" way. While Dave Ramsey is very entertaining his material lacks financial maturity.;)

OMG colleen we agree on something :worship:
 
yes possible, but in a "simple stupid" way. While Dave Ramsey is very entertaining his material lacks financial maturity.;)

OMG colleen we agree on something :worship:

It seems to me what he said makes common sense. Are we drilling "common sense" down to stupid?

Let me try to make it even more simple.

Do your homework before you make a decision. Who is not telling the truth? You don't begin to tell who is until you look at all sides of it.

After you look at it from all sides you will make a decision. Either you will like it or you won't.
 
After not being able to get onto the site Tuesday and taking HOURS on saturyday to get as far as a user name and log-in.....I now get an "unexpected error" and "error id" message and cannot go any further!!!! Seriously....I need to find out how much $$ it will cost in NJ for a 27 y.o. grad student who works minimally and a 30 y.o. with a college degree that can only get part-time work!!! The nearly $400/month that they pay to be on our plan is no longer affordable for them.

I've skimmed the other "success stories" thread.....but many of them are not their own stories....more of my "friend" or "my neighbor's sister", etc. SO FRUSTRATED!!!
 
Okay I am totally clueless about all of this. I don't even fully understand what term means what so if someone could help me understand all this that would be great

I am a single mom with one child, so for current insurance purposes I have one dependent. I currently pay roughly $200 per month for insurance for us (medical/dental/vision) through my employer. I don't pay anything for annual medical check ups, pay $25 for office visits ( medical/dental/vision), $75 for urgent care/ER if nor admitted to hosp and pay either 20% or 10% for charges that are billed to me in addition to the $25 co-pays.

So here is my question - what is my deductible? is that my $200 per month or $25 and 80/20 90/10 amount. and my insurance always pays/covers a percentage so what is this out of pocket expense people are quoting. I know once I pay $500 per year for each of us then the coverage percentage goes up so is that my out of pocket expense? $1000?

Base on the numbers listed on the first page I do qualify (barely) based on income for family of two so I want to know what to be comparing when I look online.

Also, current contract has locked in the policies and cost for until 2016 so employer is not dropping insurance or changing it.

someone answered already bit that 500/1000 when the coverage goes up is likely your deductible. You get checkups and preventative care before that number but anything else before that number you pay 100% (of the discounted rate the insurer enforces on the provider). Once you get to the 500/1000 point then you your 'coinsurance' kicks in which sounds like 10 or 20%.

with some older plans and new obamacare plans there is a maximum out of pocket which is the most that you would pay per year (besides your premiums)- off the top of my head that can not be any higher than 6,250 for an individual or 12,750 for anyone with a family plan under the new rules. (and that gets indexed to inflation of i am remembering correctly.)

The person who said the community college should have a seminar is spot on- so many people dont understand all this becasue they've never been told and the insurance companies dont exactly announce things.
 
Except that he dramatically oversimplifies the math and assumes profit (and without saying so, other costs of operation) as constants. That isn't true under the ACA - for the most part only non-profit insurers met the 80/20 rule before the law took effect. The last company I was with spent just shy of 60% of premiums on patient care. So they can't just jack up the rates to preserve the same level of profits, the same executive compensation, or other business-as-usual.

the problem is the 80/20 rule MIGHT actually make things worse becasue it gives the private insurers no reason to beat down the provider prices, chase fraud, or have wellness and prevention programs. The more they pay out to doctors and hospitals the more absolute profit they are allowed.

And they don't jack up just their own rates- it's more insidious- they allow the doctors to jack up their rates so everyone pays more.

perhaps actual rate regulation would have been better? Or couple the 80.209 rules to a reform so that Dr's charge ONE PRICE no matter who pays the bill? I dont have the answer to be honest- but we have to be careful assuming the 80/20 rule will have its intended consequences.
 
After not being able to get onto the site Tuesday and taking HOURS on saturyday to get as far as a user name and log-in.....I now get an "unexpected error" and "error id" message and cannot go any further!!!! Seriously....I need to find out how much $$ it will cost in NJ for a 27 y.o. grad student who works minimally and a 30 y.o. with a college degree that can only get part-time work!!! The nearly $400/month that they pay to be on our plan is no longer affordable for them.

I've skimmed the other "success stories" thread.....but many of them are not their own stories....more of my "friend" or "my neighbor's sister", etc. SO FRUSTRATED!!!

the link above a few posts has the actual premium prices for a few example groups - one of which happens to be 27 year old individuals. The kaiser family website has a good subsidy calculator. Looks like $185 to $487 depending on which plan.

There's an article today in the WSJ about the mess the exchanges are. Says it's on the order of magnitude of HUNDREDS of people signed up on each insurer. And 'many tens of thousands" have filled out applications. A total of 9 million have visited the site. Here's the most fun- the exchange website may be doing the subsidy calculations incorrectly and they are afraid there might be situations where they have to call people back and tell them they aren't really qualified for programs they signed up for. It goes on to talk about the 'security questions' issues some here are having. And also talks about how experien is blowing the verification step. (I think I'm now on my 5th day of waiting for experien to admit i exist).

SOME GOOD NEWS FOR NJ- the link with the plans shows that amerihealth has plans that are POS and not just EPO (all the rest are EPO only in NJ accoding to the table).

edit- not that grand for NJ- Finding the amerihealth plan on the link above- i popped over to the amerihealth website to shop. My current BCBS plan is $1237/month. The amerihealth equivalent under obamacare is $1601.

below is a comparison comparing my BCBS current which is being cancelled/ Amerihealth obamacare silver national access POS
monthly premium 1237/1601
deductible 5k/5k
in network costs after deductible:
primary copay 30/40
specialist 50/50
rxs 40%/50%
hostpital 20%/30%
max out of pocket 10k/12.7k

without even bothering to get as far as checking which Dr's are in it, seems that basically in every way (well except the deductible) the new obamacare plan is significantly worse then my existing. I guess i dont need to bother trying to log in to obamacare website anymore since it's just so bad- seems hopeless. I guess I'll ride out my existing BCBS plan until the day it expires and then sign up for a new plan once that one goes by by. I'll save a few grand I suppose doing that way. And hopefully BCBS gives me some kind of better option in august then compared to what they are showing now.

Good luck to everyone else.

Going to go tell my wife she can't keep the part time job she loves but needs to do whatever she has to to get a full time job with benefits next year.

I have no problem with the government tax subsidies, but for the life of me I can't figure out why the actual premium costs are so horrible. And I think that's a problem FOR EVERYONE. if the real costs keep going up even the subsidies aren't going to help anyone in a few years.
 
SOME GOOD NEWS FOR NJ- the link with the plans shows that amerihealth has plans that are POS and not just EPO (all the rest are EPO only in NJ accoding to the table)

Mike that really is good new I was worried for NJ for while.

You know we would have to joke NJ about having only NJ insurance:lmao:
 
It seems to me what he said makes common sense. Are we drilling "common sense" down to stupid?

Let me try to make it even more simple.

Do your homework before you make a decision. Who is not telling the truth? You don't begin to tell who is until you look at all sides of it.

After you look at it from all sides you will make a decision. Either you will like it or you won't.

You say to look at all sides, but encourage people to view a video that looks at only one and reaches a faulty conclusion as a result. It isn't common sense to ignore the parts of the picture that don't fit your pre-concieved biases and that's exactly what DR did in that clip. Now, I'm not a fan... He may or may not have covered the law in more depth at another time and I'd never know it. But the linked video certainly wasn't an example of looking at all sides and drawing your own conclusions.

After not being able to get onto the site Tuesday and taking HOURS on saturyday to get as far as a user name and log-in.....I now get an "unexpected error" and "error id" message and cannot go any further!!!! Seriously....I need to find out how much $$ it will cost in NJ for a 27 y.o. grad student who works minimally and a 30 y.o. with a college degree that can only get part-time work!!! The nearly $400/month that they pay to be on our plan is no longer affordable for them.

I've skimmed the other "success stories" thread.....but many of them are not their own stories....more of my "friend" or "my neighbor's sister", etc. SO FRUSTRATED!!!

I'm still getting those same errors too, but since the plans don't take effect until Jan 1 I haven't really spent much time trying right now. I just don't see the hurry. So I don't have my own success story to post yet - the success stories I've heard so far are from people far more anxious over their health insurance status than I (a healthy 34yo) am about mine.

I priced out a couple of options from insurance companies we've used in the past and it looks like pre-subsidy the plans will be roughly the same as we've always paid but with $5000 lower deductible and of course the new rules about preventative care. I'm pleased with that. And assuming the preliminary subsidy info from the .pdf the application generates is accurate, we'll save an additional $3000/year on that side of it. Our premiums will be a single-digit percentage of our income for the first time since 2004. We're a one-income family making just a bit less than 200% FPL with no employer-sponsored coverage, so we're pretty much the "ideal" set up for a success story with the ACA/exchanges.
 
You say to look at all sides, but encourage people to view a video that looks at only one and reaches a faulty conclusion as a result. It isn't common sense to ignore the parts of the picture that don't fit your pre-concieved biases and that's exactly what DR did in that clip. Now, I'm not a fan... He may or may not have covered the law in more depth at another time and I'd never know it. But the linked video certainly wasn't an example of looking at all sides and drawing your own conclusions.



I'm still getting those same errors too, but since the plans don't take effect until Jan 1 I haven't really spent much time trying right now. I just don't see the hurry. So I don't have my own success story to post yet - the success stories I've heard so far are from people far more anxious over their health insurance status than I (a healthy 34yo) am about mine.

I priced out a couple of options from insurance companies we've used in the past and it looks like pre-subsidy the plans will be roughly the same as we've always paid but with $5000 lower deductible and of course the new rules about preventative care. I'm pleased with that. And assuming the preliminary subsidy info from the .pdf the application generates is accurate, we'll save an additional $3000/year on that side of it. Our premiums will be a single-digit percentage of our income for the first time since 2004. We're a one-income family making just a bit less than 200% FPL with no employer-sponsored coverage, so we're pretty much the "ideal" set up for a success story with the ACA/exchanges.

Psst, let you in on a secret...we're both biased. Everyone is biased one way or another.

His is his point of view. Post another point of view and we can have two different points to consider.
 
Thanks to whomever pointed me to the link with the data listed by state. Helpful, but it is still kind of confusing, as I don't know where to find things about how incomce levels can reduce the monthly cost (I am assuming the premiums listed were monthly)....and what hospitals will be taking what, etc.

Regarding the "what's the hurry".....well, October is the "make your choice" month for employee benefits for the vast majority of people I know. I know I've spent 8 hours so far over the course of a week and have gotten NO information from the gov't site. Others are pointing to the Kasier Foundation for info.....can't say I totally trust that site either because of some of their background. I think there should have been a better "info" section and a separate "log in to apply" section. I had checked out the site before the launch and got almost zero information....it said "come back Oct. 1 so we can help you better". If they can't even handle a website (and they HAD to know how many people were going to access it) how in the world are they going to handle the ACA when it goes "live"......
 
deedisneydream97, what I did was go directly to websites of the insurance companies that are on the exchange. At least in NJ, the individual plans from the insurance company are the same as the exchange plans and I am assuming are the same price. When I had narrowed down a plan that was the best of the worst for us, I used the insurance company website to see what doctors/hospitals were in that plan's network.

I used the Kaiser calculator to see how much subsidy I would get and the max we could have in income to get the subsidy.
 
Does anyone know when coverage ends for a 26 year old under parents coverage: On the actual birthday or Dec 31st of that year?
 
Found this on the United Healthcare website:

"Is coverage applicable through the age of 26, or does it end on the 26th birthday?

Coverage must be allowed to continue until the child reaches the age of 26. Sponsors of group health plans will be required to make dependent coverage available to children up until that day. Plan sponsors are free to elect more generous benefit designs, if available to them, such as covering dependents until the end of the month or even the year in which the child attains the age of 26."


Sounds like it's up to the plan or insurance company.
 
You say to look at all sides, but encourage people to view a video that looks at only one and reaches a faulty conclusion as a result. It isn't common sense to ignore the parts of the picture that don't fit your pre-concieved biases and that's exactly what DR did in that clip. Now, I'm not a fan... He may or may not have covered the law in more depth at another time and I'd never know it. But the linked video certainly wasn't an example of looking at all sides and drawing your own conclusions. "

Most of what DR said is spot on, at least in the short term, and taken 1 step further why the administration is not going to move on the individual mandate. Looking small scale, let's say 10 friends decided to for a health care COOP. They figure each person has $500 worth of medical bills a year and 1 random person has $5,000 worth of bills. So, that's $10,000 worth of expenses split across 10 people or $1,000 a year. Let's suppose an 11 person wants to join the group. They have medical bills of $20,000 every year. It's now $30,000 in expenses split across 11 people or $2,700 per year. Costs for everyone went up. This is where "Adverse Selection" and the need for "Individual Mandate" comes in. If 3 of the 10 people decided, "why am I paying so much?" and drop out, you now have on average $27,000 (the 500 less per person + some years of no $5,000) of expenses split across 8 people. So the premium climes to $3,375. That may cause more "healthy people" to look elsewhere raising the premium again.

When DR talks about simple math that's basically what he's talking about. In the long term, yes there is a possibility if everyone has health insurance and takes advantage of preventive care, there will be fewer people with the big medical bills every year. But that's the long term and premium are set in the short term. Once costs come down, then premium will come down.

I've heard so far are from people far more anxious over their health insurance status than I (a healthy 34yo) am about mine.

I priced out a couple of options from insurance companies we've used in the past and it looks like pre-subsidy the plans will be roughly the same as we've always paid but with $5000 lower deductible and of course the new rules about preventative care. I'm pleased with that. And assuming the preliminary subsidy info from the .pdf the application generates is accurate, we'll save an additional $3000/year on that side of it. Our premiums will be a single-digit percentage of our income for the first time since 2004. We're a one-income family making just a bit less than 200% FPL with no employer-sponsored coverage, so we're pretty much the "ideal" set up for a success story with the ACA/exchanges.


You're experience is for the most part the exact opposite from mine looking from just the other side of 200% FPL. Just yesterday, I got my early renewal notice for my policy. If I renew early, my premium will increase from $179 - $182 a month for a mostly health 44 going to 45 year old $2,500 deductible 0% copay after that HSA plan, I mentioned previously I pay a slight more because of my weight. The same companies 2014 plan for a 45 year old with a $2,000 deductible and 0% after that is $486 before subsidy ($260-$300 after subsidy depending on what estimator I use). Yes if I keep my old plan for one more year I don't get maternity, but I'm a male so I don't think that will be a problem. Since mine's not a grandfathered plan, I still get all of the preventative care from the ACA. So from as close to an apples to apples comparison, I personally would be much worse off.

As far as "why the rush" I have until the end of the month to accept my current plans offer. Because, Apples to apples I'm clearly worse off but I'll admit apples to pears is not so clear cut. I do qualify for cost sharing reductions in silver plan where I may be able to get a different sort of plan for comperable money. I can get a plan with a lower deductible, office visit, and prescription copays for similar money but the out of pocket maximum is higher. And like I've mentioned before, and you see, if I want to force my income to be under 200% FPL, I can probabaly get a great health insurance plan for a smaller premium.

My advice to you is since you're "just under" 200% FPL look at how the plan changes if you make 200%-250% of FPL and see what happens if your family income increses. Legally, it looks like you're supposed to inform them midyear and they'll change the subsidy midyear if your income changes significantly in either direction. You may affect your decision from amongst the varous silver plans offer in your state.
 





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