Obama Uncovered...

No distortion. This is a lot of the stuff that the Obama campaign has recently been working overtime to keep out of mainstream media. The Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for not vetting this guy. And no, Obama has never been vetted. He's got a lot of skeletons in his closet.

Yes, distortion. In fact, nearly everything in the "article" is distorted or intentionally and maliciously misleading. And some of it is entirely false.
 
You expected or you were hoping:confused3 ....... I'm just sayin......:rolleyes1



Oh come on.....That would have been funny. Especially if the photo had him in bed with Ayers or one of those guys.

I think we need MORE doctored photos of the candidates.
 
Distort much, Kenny?

Nothing distorted. I skipped what Kenny quoted and went to the source link. (No offense, Kenny-it's just that I am learning that a lot of people do distort on these boards when it comes to politics.)Then followed the article links....and read that info. The ONLY thing in the article that was unverifiable (in fact IS false) is that Obama is NOT the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review. That honor belongs to a 1922 Harvard graduate, Thurgood Marshall mentor, and one of the backbone deciders in "Brown vs. Board of Education"...the Honorable Charles Hamilton Houston.

Where the money comes from-I admit, raised my eyebrow up SEVERAL inches.;) The jaw droppers were the number of "alleged" terrorist ties. :scared1:

Then add in the "religion" thing...:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:
Am I the ONLY one noticing a pattern? Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour who funded Harvard education HATES whites, white Christians, and Jews.
Sutton Interview link
The Saudi Arabian connections (link)
Rev. Wright and the "church" Obama has attended for the past 20 years-if he doesn't agree with the views...why hasn't he found another church? I don't know of anyone else who would attend a church for 20+ years that they didn't agree with the teachings. It isn't like there isn't a booque # of churches out there. Interesting teachings.:scared1:

And before I get flamed (which I can pretty much guarantee I will-I have marshmellows, graham crackers and a candy bar ready.;) )... no, I am not a die hard McCain/Palin supporter. One thing as an independant I CAN depend on when it comes to our countries 2 party system...the Republicans will try to take my $$$ and the Democrats will try to take my rights. I'd prefer my $$$ be taken than someone with anti-Semitic beliefs, and terrorist ties try to take away my rights. Racism isn' t blind...whites are discriminated against, also. As Rev. Wright teaches.
 

I think he has to get elected first. If anyone needs to be impeached it's Bush. Of course we know how much time and money was wasted the last time the Republicans decided to impeach a President.

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I still think Clinton should have been impeached. He committed perjury numerous times.
I didn't care then and I don't now who Clinton slept with...that is between he and his wife. I DO care that he committed perjury. In doing so, he sent the mssg. that he thinks he is better than any other citizen and above the law.

And the whole "oral sex isn't sex"-hmmm. try explaining that one to a teenager who thinks that they aren't having sex because the PRESIDENT said it wasn't. :lmao:
 
You called for the impeachement of Obama, so what High Crime or Misdemeanor did he commit, and where is the criminal report? Sorry it goes both ways, and I support your guy.


I was actually being facetious in my original post, because that's all we've been hearing about Pres Bush for the past 8 years.

"Impeach, impeach, impeach" with no understanding of what impeachment is about. It's nothing more than "revenge" for the (proper) impeachment of Pres. Clinton.

If they can call for impeachment for no crime and bolster their base and use that as a talking point, why not us? Remember, it's the severity of the charge, not the actual crime.
 
I was actually being facetious in my original post, because that's all we've been hearing about Pres Bush for the past 8 years.

"Impeach, impeach, impeach" with no understanding of what impeachment is about. It's nothing more than "revenge" for the (proper) impeachment of Pres. Clinton.

If they can call for impeachment for no crime and bolster their base and use that as a talking point, why not us? Remember, it's the severity of the charge, not the actual crime.


Them doing it is pure BS, you attempting to do the same is pure BS. If you don't like something, then don't participate in the exact same thing. It kind of shoots you in the foot.
 
It isn't nice to call people names or suggest they are mentally unstable. Out here in the rational world, we say things like "I disagree" or "You're wrong and here's my evidence why."

Evidence? From an OS? :lmao:
 

Never mind the link: Read it, Kenny. Btw, As far as Bill Daley? McCain was one of those who voted for him for Secretary of Commerce. Did you know that? Bet cha didn't.

Guilt and Associations
September 23, 2008
McCain once again tries to tar Obama with the controversies of others.
Summary
A McCain-Palin ad says that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine" and implies that the candidate himself is corrupt by association with four local political figures. But the ad's implication and many of its supporting details are false. In fact, this is a particularly egregious example of ricochet sliming:

* William Daley, the first figure mentioned in the ad, is indeed related to the other famous Chicago Daleys, but he's never been accused of any wrongdoing. And the former commerce secretary isn't Obama's only economic adviser, as the ad implies.

* Emil Jones, Illinois state Senate leader, may indeed have been Obama's "political godfather." But he, too, hasn't been charged with or even seriously accused of misdeeds despite the ad's claim of an "ethical cloud."

* Obama did have a past relationship with real estate developer Tony Rezko, but he is no longer Obama's "money man." Obama hasn't been associated with him since his indictment for wire fraud, bribery, money laundering and attempted extortion, and Obama donated all of the disgraced businessman's previous campaign contributions to charity.

* Rod Blagojevich has been touched by plenty of scandal but his relationship with Obama doesn't extend much beyond being "his governor." In fact, Obama has worked on ethics legislation triggered by some of the Blagojevich's questionable moves.

Most important, the ad offers no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama himself in connection with any of these relationships, however close or distant.
Analysis
The McCain-Palin campaign's new ad, "Chicago Machine," tries to tie Barack Obama to four Illinois powerbrokers. The campaign says it will air nationally. We'll take a look at the merits of each individual's "corrupt" status as well as their connection to Obama in turn.

Daley and Nightly

The ad begins with a statement that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine," then shows Obama saying that Chicago toughened him up. The announcer returns, saying, "His economic adviser: William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother."

McCain-Palin 2008: "Chicago Machine"

Announcer: Barack Obama.
Born of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

Barack Obama: In terms of my toughness, look first of all, I come from Chicago.

Announcer: His economic adviser, William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother.
His money man, Tony Rezko. Client. Patron. Convicted Felon.
His "political godfather." Emil Jones. Under ethical cloud.
His governor, Rod Blagojevich. A legacy of federal and state investigations.

With friends like that, Obama is not ready to lead.

John McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
First off, Obama wasn't born in Chicago and didn't grow up there. He didn't arrive in the city until 1985, after he finished college. As a community organizer, he often fought City Hall. His rise in politics there wasn't a product of grooming by the Chicago machine, though he made allies of some machine politicans along the way.

Second, William Daley isn't "his economic adviser." He may be one of his advisers in that area, but look at some of the others: Former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, former National Economic Adviser Gene Sperling, former chairpersons of the Council of Economic Advisers Laura Tyson and Joseph Stiglitz, former Federal Reserve Chair Paul Volcker, and Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and CEO Warren Buffett.

Not that Daley is without qualifications himself. He's a former secretary of commerce. But the ad's likely intent here is to remind viewers of the mayoral administration of Daley's father, Richard J., which, though the elder Daley himself was never indicted, was riddled with corruption and patronage politics. The Boss died in office in 1976, almost a decade before Obama arrived in Chicago.

William Daley's brother, Richard M., is the current mayor of Chicago. He hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing, though some members of his administration have been.

But William Daley, the Daley mentioned in this ad, has had no such scandal or corruption allegations leveled against him. The implication to the contrary is false.

Rezko Redux

The ad lists convicted Illinois businessman Tony Rezko as Obama's "money man," "client" and "patron." Rezko was convicted on 16 counts of wire fraud and mail fraud in June. But Obama has not been seen with Rezko for some time, and he donated the former businessman's $11,500 in campaign contributions to charity in 2007.

As we concluded back in December 2007, "Obama has a relationship with Rezko that dates back many years, but there’s no indication Obama did anything improper."

The Godfather

The ad then turns to Obama's "political godfather" Emil Jones, who the ad says is "under ethical cloud." Jones certainly has been a close confidant of Obama and has used the "godfather" verbiage himself – though the relationship wasn't always so cozy. Obama described him as an "old ward heeler" in his memoir.

But the ethics charge could use a bit more explanation.

The words "under an ethical cloud" do appear in a June 16 Associated Press story about Jones. The full quote is:

AP: Another Obama mentor, state Senate President Emil Jones, serves under an ethical cloud. He has several family members on the state payroll and uses his clout to aid their business interests.

Another AP report said: "Jones has relatives on the state payroll, steers state grants to favorite organizations and uses his clout to punish enemies and bury GOP legislation." But there have been no indictments, investigations or serious inquiries into any improper behavior by Jones.

O Governor, My Governor

Finally, the ad turns to "his governor, Rod Blagojevich" and his "legacy of state and federal investigations." His governor? Ooooh. (Cue scary organ music.)

The Democratic governor certainly has been besieged by investigations, controversy and other charges of impropriety. But his connections to Obama are not substantial. Obama is just one of more than 13 million Illinois residents of whom it could also be said that Blagojevich is "their governor."

In a July 2008 New Yorker article, Illinois Democratic Rep. Rahm Emanuel did tell a reporter that "he and Obama 'participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod [Blagojevich] was running for governor.' " But there hasn't been evidence of much contact since then. In fact, the ethics bill that Obama spearheaded while in the Ilinois Legislature was a response to some of Blagojevich's transgressions. And the Chicago Tribune reported that:

Chicago Tribune (Sept. 19): The embattled Illinois governor was shunned by the Obama camp at the Democratic National Convention in Denver last month while several potential opponents to a possible Blagojevich third-term bid were showcased with floor speeches.

Hardly favorable actions from Obama toward "his governor." And no less an authority than Karl Rove said on Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes" yesterday, "Blagojevich only has the most tenuous ties to Obama."
 
Nothing distorted. I skipped what Kenny quoted and went to the source link. (No offense, Kenny-it's just that I am learning that a lot of people do distort on these boards when it comes to politics.)Then followed the article links....and read that info. The ONLY thing in the article that was unverifiable (in fact IS false) is that Obama is NOT the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review. That honor belongs to a 1922 Harvard graduate, Thurgood Marshall mentor, and one of the backbone deciders in "Brown vs. Board of Education"...the Honorable Charles Hamilton Houston.

Where the money comes from-I admit, raised my eyebrow up SEVERAL inches.;) The jaw droppers were the number of "alleged" terrorist ties. :scared1:

Then add in the "religion" thing...:scared1: :scared1: :scared1:
Am I the ONLY one noticing a pattern? Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour who funded Harvard education HATES whites, white Christians, and Jews.
Sutton Interview link
The Saudi Arabian connections (link)
Rev. Wright and the "church" Obama has attended for the past 20 years-if he doesn't agree with the views...why hasn't he found another church? I don't know of anyone else who would attend a church for 20+ years that they didn't agree with the teachings. It isn't like there isn't a booque # of churches out there. Interesting teachings.:scared1:

And before I get flamed (which I can pretty much guarantee I will-I have marshmellows, graham crackers and a candy bar ready.;) )... no, I am not a die hard McCain/Palin supporter. One thing as an independant I CAN depend on when it comes to our countries 2 party system...the Republicans will try to take my $$$ and the Democrats will try to take my rights. I'd prefer my $$$ be taken than someone with anti-Semitic beliefs, and terrorist ties try to take away my rights. Racism isn' t blind...whites are discriminated against, also. As Rev. Wright teaches.
Great post! I found the Saudi Arabian connections link a real eye opener!!!! :mad:


Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
By Online Thursday, September 4, 2008


New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidateBarack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman WorthyNews.com 9-3-8

In a videotaped interview this year on New York’s all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama. (See Video Clip Below)

Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.

“I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.

“The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas,” Sutton said. “He is the principal adviser to one of the world’s richest men. He told me about Obama.”

Sutton, the founder of Inner City Broadcasting, said al-Mansour contacted him to ask a favor: Would Sutton write a letter in support of Obama’s application to Harvard Law School?

“He wrote to me about him,” Sutton recalled. “And his introduction was there is a young man that has applied to Harvard. I know that you have a few friends up there because you used to go up there to speak. Would you please write a letter in support of him?”

Sutton said he acted on his friend al-Mansour’s advice.

“I wrote a letter of support of him to my friends at Harvard, saying to them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I certainly hoped they would treat him kindly,” Sutton told NY1.

Sutton did not say why al-Mansour was helping Obama, how he discovered him, or from whom he was raising money on Obama’s behalf.

A Sutton aide told Newsmax that Sutton, 88, is ailing and is unlikely to do additional TV interviews in the near future. The aide could not provide additional comment for this story.

As it turned out, Obama did attend Harvard Law School after graduating from Columbia University inNew York and doing a stint as a community organizer in Chicago.

The New York Times described how transformative his Harvard experience became for the youngObama: “He arrived there as an unknown, Afro-wearing community organizer who had spent years searching for his identity; by the time he left, he had his first national news media exposure, a book contract and a shot of confidence from running the most powerful legal journal in the country.”

The details of Obama’s academic performance are well known: At Harvard, Obama rose to academic distinction becoming the editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduating magna cum laude.

Less known are the reasons al-Mansour, an activist African-American Muslim, would be a key backer for a young man from Hawaii seeking to attend the most Ivy of the Ivy League law schools.

Khalid al-Mansour a.k.a. Don Warden
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax from his home in San Antonio, Texas, al-Mansour said he would not comment specifically on the statement by Percy Sutton because he was afraid anything he said would get “distorted.”

“I was determined I was never going to be in that situation,” he said. “Bloggers are saying this is the new Rev. Wright — in drag! — and he is a nationalist, racist, and worse than Rev. Wright. So any statement that I made would only further this activity which is not in the interest of Barack.”

But in the lengthy interview, al-Mansour confirmed that he frequently spoke on university campuses, including Columbia, where Percy Sutton suggested he met Obama in the late 1980s, and confirmed his close relationship with Prince Alwaleed.

“I am not surprised to learn about this,” said Niger Innis, spokesman of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). “It is clear that Barack Obama’s ties to the left are familial, generational, and have lasted for several years.”

Although many Americans have never heard of Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour (his full name), he is well known within the black community as a lawyer, an orthodox Muslim, a black nationalist, an author, an international deal-maker, an educator, and an outspoken enemy of Israel.

A graduate of Howard University with a law degree from the University of California, al-Mansour sits on numerous corporate boards, including the Saudi African Bank and Chicago-based LaGray Chemical Co. LaGray, which was formed to do business in Africa, counts former Nigerian President GeneralAbdusalam Abubakar on its advisory board.

He also sits on the board of the non-profit African Leadership Academy, along with top McCain for President adviser Carly Fiorina, and organized a tribute to the President of Ghana at the Clinton White House in 1995, along with pop star Michael Jackson.

But his writings and books are packed with anti-American rhetoric reminiscent of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s disgraced former pastor.

In a 1995 book, “The Lost Books of Africa Rediscovered,” he alleged that the United States was plotting genocide against black Americans.

The first “genocide against the black man began 300 years ago,” he told an audience in Harlem at a book-signing, while a second “genocide” was on the way “to remove 15 million Black people, considered disposable, of no relevance, value or benefit to the American society.”

In the 1960s, when he founded the African American Association in the San Francisco Bay area, he was known as Donald Warden.

According to the Social Activism Project at the University of California at Berkley, Warden, a.k.a.Khalid al-Mansour, was the mentor of Black Panther Party founder Huey Newton and his cohort, Bobby Seale.

Newton later had a falling out with Warden, who was described in a 1994 book as “the most articulate spokesperson for black nationalism” at the time.

The falling out wasn’t purely political, according to author Hugh Pearson.

“Sometimes Newton and the other members of (Warden’s) security detail got into fights with young whites who didn’t like what Warden had to say about whites. Rather than ‘throw down’ along with the security detail, Warden refused to fight,” Pearson wrote in “Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America.”

U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee of California entered an official statement of appreciation of Warden and his Black Panther colleagues in the African-American Association in the Congressional Record on April 23, 2007.

“Among the founding members (of the Association) were community leaders such as Khalid Al-Mansour(known then as Don Warden); future Judges Henry Ramsey and Thelton Henderson; future Congressman and Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums, and future Black Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale,” the Democratic representative’s statement said.

Al-Mansour’s more recent videotaped speeches focus on Muslim themes, and abound with anti-Semitic theories and anti-Israel vitriol.

“Today, the Palestinians are being brutalized like savages,” he told an audience in South Africa. “If you protest you will go to jail, and you may be killed. And they say they are the only democratic country in the Middle East. ... They are lying on God.”

He accused the Jews of “stealing the land the same way the Christians stole the land from the Indians in America.”

The Saudi Connection
But al-Mansour’s sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.

At the time Percy Sutton, a former lawyer for Malcolm X and a former business partner of al-Mansour, says he was raising money for Obama’s graduate school education, al-Mansour was representing top members of the Saudi Royal family seeking to do business and exert influence in the United States.

In 1989, for example — just one year after Obama entered Harvard Law School — The Los Angeles Times revealed that al-Mansour had been advising Saudi billionaires Abdul Aziz and Khalid al-Ibrahimin their secret effort to acquire a major stake in prime oceanfront property in Marina del Rey, Calif., through “an elaborate network of corporate shells in California, the Caribbean and Europe.”

At the same time, he was also advising Prince Alwaleed bin Talal in his U.S. investments, and sits on the board of his premier investment vehicle, Kingdom Holdings.

Prince Alwaleed, 53, is the nephew if King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia. Forbes magazine ranked him this year as the 19th richest person on the planet, with a fortune in excess of $23 billion. He owns large chunks of Citigroup and News Corp., the holding company that controls Fox News.

He is best known in the United States for his offer to donate $10 million to help rebuild downtownManhattan after the 9/11 attacks. But after the prince made a public comment suggesting that U.S.policies had contributed to causing the attacks, Mayor Rudy Giuliani handed back his check.

“I entirely reject that statement,” Giuliani said. “There is no moral equivalent for this (terrorist) act. There is no justification for it. The people who did it lost any right to ask for justification for it when they slaughtered 4,000 or 5,000 innocent people.”

Since then, Prince Alwaleed’s Kingdom Foundation has given millions of dollars to Muslim charities in the United States, including several whose leaders have been indicted on terrorism-related charges in federal courts.

He also has given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard and other major U.S. universities, to establish programs in Islamic studies.

The casual statement by Percy Sutton to NY1 is the first time anyone has hinted at a relationship between Obama and the Saudi royal family.

Although al-Mansour glosses over his ties to the Saudi mega-billionaire in some of his public talks, he has represented the Saudi’s interests in the United States, in Britain, and in Africa for more than a quarter century, according to public records.

He told Newsmax that he has personally introduced Prince Alwaleed to “51 of the 53 leaders of Africa,” traveling from country to country on the Saudi prince’s private jet.

He knows virtually every black leader in America, from the business community, to community activists, to the worlds of politics and entertainment.

When Michael Jackson was on the ropes in the mid-1990s following a series of lawsuits by the parents of children accusing him of sexual abuse, al-Mansour introduced him to Prince Alwaleed, whose Kingdom Entertainment signed a joint venture with Jackson in 1996.

“Jackson and Alwaleed became pals in 1994, when a mutual friend from Alwaleed’s college days inCalifornia arranged a lunch meeting aboard the prince’s yacht in Cannes,” Time magazine reported about the new partnership in 1997.

The mutual friend was al-Mansour.

“As a black American, I am exceedingly proud at the American people’s response to Barack Obama’scandidacy,” said CORE’s Niger Innis. “But to deny that he has long-standing ties to left-wing elements in our polity is to deny reality. If you want to be president of the United States, it is not racism if you ask these kind of questions, and he has to come up with an answer, hopefully the truth.”

Sutton gives no clues as to why al-Mansour would be raising money to help Obama go to law school.Obama has said during his campaign that he paid his way through Harvard with student loans.

For Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), these latest revelations about Obama’s ties to Saudi financiers were an important wake-up call.

“To me, this opened up more questions about Barack Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world,” Peterson told Newsmax.

“A lot of people are caught up with the emotional aspect of Barack Obama, the movie star aspect, the false promises that he’s going to take care of everyone and their Mama.”

But when the full story of Obama’s ties to radical preachers such as Wright and to black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan comes out, Peterson believes that Obama’s star power will fade.

“I think there’s more to this story and to Barack Obama than we realize,” Peterson said. “As all the truth comes out before the election, I don’t think he has a chance. I can’t see American’s taking that kind of risk.”

The Obama campaign did not respond to requests for comment.
 
Never mind the link: Read it, Kenny. Btw, As far as Bill Daley? McCain was one of those who voted for him for Secretary of Commerce. Did you know that? Bet cha didn't.

Guilt and Associations
September 23, 2008
McCain once again tries to tar Obama with the controversies of others.
Summary
A McCain-Palin ad says that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine" and implies that the candidate himself is corrupt by association with four local political figures. But the ad's implication and many of its supporting details are false. In fact, this is a particularly egregious example of ricochet sliming:

* William Daley, the first figure mentioned in the ad, is indeed related to the other famous Chicago Daleys, but he's never been accused of any wrongdoing. And the former commerce secretary isn't Obama's only economic adviser, as the ad implies.

* Emil Jones, Illinois state Senate leader, may indeed have been Obama's "political godfather." But he, too, hasn't been charged with or even seriously accused of misdeeds despite the ad's claim of an "ethical cloud."

* Obama did have a past relationship with real estate developer Tony Rezko, but he is no longer Obama's "money man." Obama hasn't been associated with him since his indictment for wire fraud, bribery, money laundering and attempted extortion, and Obama donated all of the disgraced businessman's previous campaign contributions to charity.

* Rod Blagojevich has been touched by plenty of scandal but his relationship with Obama doesn't extend much beyond being "his governor." In fact, Obama has worked on ethics legislation triggered by some of the Blagojevich's questionable moves.

Most important, the ad offers no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama himself in connection with any of these relationships, however close or distant.
Analysis
The McCain-Palin campaign's new ad, "Chicago Machine," tries to tie Barack Obama to four Illinois powerbrokers. The campaign says it will air nationally. We'll take a look at the merits of each individual's "corrupt" status as well as their connection to Obama in turn.

Daley and Nightly

The ad begins with a statement that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine," then shows Obama saying that Chicago toughened him up. The announcer returns, saying, "His economic adviser: William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother."

McCain-Palin 2008: "Chicago Machine"

Announcer: Barack Obama.
Born of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

Barack Obama: In terms of my toughness, look first of all, I come from Chicago.

Announcer: His economic adviser, William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother.
His money man, Tony Rezko. Client. Patron. Convicted Felon.
His "political godfather." Emil Jones. Under ethical cloud.
His governor, Rod Blagojevich. A legacy of federal and state investigations.

With friends like that, Obama is not ready to lead.

John McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
First off, Obama wasn't born in Chicago and didn't grow up there. He didn't arrive in the city until 1985, after he finished college. As a community organizer, he often fought City Hall. His rise in politics there wasn't a product of grooming by the Chicago machine, though he made allies of some machine politicans along the way.

Second, William Daley isn't "his economic adviser." He may be one of his advisers in that area, but look at some of the others: Former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, former National Economic Adviser Gene Sperling, former chairpersons of the Council of Economic Advisers Laura Tyson and Joseph Stiglitz, former Federal Reserve Chair Paul Volcker, and Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and CEO Warren Buffett.

Not that Daley is without qualifications himself. He's a former secretary of commerce. But the ad's likely intent here is to remind viewers of the mayoral administration of Daley's father, Richard J., which, though the elder Daley himself was never indicted, was riddled with corruption and patronage politics. The Boss died in office in 1976, almost a decade before Obama arrived in Chicago.

William Daley's brother, Richard M., is the current mayor of Chicago. He hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing, though some members of his administration have been.

But William Daley, the Daley mentioned in this ad, has had no such scandal or corruption allegations leveled against him. The implication to the contrary is false.

Rezko Redux

The ad lists convicted Illinois businessman Tony Rezko as Obama's "money man," "client" and "patron." Rezko was convicted on 16 counts of wire fraud and mail fraud in June. But Obama has not been seen with Rezko for some time, and he donated the former businessman's $11,500 in campaign contributions to charity in 2007.

As we concluded back in December 2007, "Obama has a relationship with Rezko that dates back many years, but there’s no indication Obama did anything improper."

The Godfather

The ad then turns to Obama's "political godfather" Emil Jones, who the ad says is "under ethical cloud." Jones certainly has been a close confidant of Obama and has used the "godfather" verbiage himself – though the relationship wasn't always so cozy. Obama described him as an "old ward heeler" in his memoir.

But the ethics charge could use a bit more explanation.

The words "under an ethical cloud" do appear in a June 16 Associated Press story about Jones. The full quote is:

AP: Another Obama mentor, state Senate President Emil Jones, serves under an ethical cloud. He has several family members on the state payroll and uses his clout to aid their business interests.

Another AP report said: "Jones has relatives on the state payroll, steers state grants to favorite organizations and uses his clout to punish enemies and bury GOP legislation." But there have been no indictments, investigations or serious inquiries into any improper behavior by Jones.

O Governor, My Governor

Finally, the ad turns to "his governor, Rod Blagojevich" and his "legacy of state and federal investigations." His governor? Ooooh. (Cue scary organ music.)

The Democratic governor certainly has been besieged by investigations, controversy and other charges of impropriety. But his connections to Obama are not substantial. Obama is just one of more than 13 million Illinois residents of whom it could also be said that Blagojevich is "their governor."

In a July 2008 New Yorker article, Illinois Democratic Rep. Rahm Emanuel did tell a reporter that "he and Obama 'participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod [Blagojevich] was running for governor.' " But there hasn't been evidence of much contact since then. In fact, the ethics bill that Obama spearheaded while in the Ilinois Legislature was a response to some of Blagojevich's transgressions. And the Chicago Tribune reported that:

Chicago Tribune (Sept. 19): The embattled Illinois governor was shunned by the Obama camp at the Democratic National Convention in Denver last month while several potential opponents to a possible Blagojevich third-term bid were showcased with floor speeches.

Hardly favorable actions from Obama toward "his governor." And no less an authority than Karl Rove said on Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes" yesterday, "Blagojevich only has the most tenuous ties to Obama."

That has nothing to do with the OP...that's about the comercial that was released....just sayin.
 
Never mind the link: Read it, Kenny. Btw, As far as Bill Daley? McCain was one of those who voted for him for Secretary of Commerce. Did you know that? Bet cha didn't.

Guilt and Associations
September 23, 2008
McCain once again tries to tar Obama with the controversies of others.
Summary
A McCain-Palin ad says that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine" and implies that the candidate himself is corrupt by association with four local political figures. But the ad's implication and many of its supporting details are false. In fact, this is a particularly egregious example of ricochet sliming:

* William Daley, the first figure mentioned in the ad, is indeed related to the other famous Chicago Daleys, but he's never been accused of any wrongdoing. And the former commerce secretary isn't Obama's only economic adviser, as the ad implies.

* Emil Jones, Illinois state Senate leader, may indeed have been Obama's "political godfather." But he, too, hasn't been charged with or even seriously accused of misdeeds despite the ad's claim of an "ethical cloud."

* Obama did have a past relationship with real estate developer Tony Rezko, but he is no longer Obama's "money man." Obama hasn't been associated with him since his indictment for wire fraud, bribery, money laundering and attempted extortion, and Obama donated all of the disgraced businessman's previous campaign contributions to charity.

* Rod Blagojevich has been touched by plenty of scandal but his relationship with Obama doesn't extend much beyond being "his governor." In fact, Obama has worked on ethics legislation triggered by some of the Blagojevich's questionable moves.

Most important, the ad offers no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama himself in connection with any of these relationships, however close or distant.
Analysis
The McCain-Palin campaign's new ad, "Chicago Machine," tries to tie Barack Obama to four Illinois powerbrokers. The campaign says it will air nationally. We'll take a look at the merits of each individual's "corrupt" status as well as their connection to Obama in turn.

Daley and Nightly

The ad begins with a statement that Obama was "born of the corrupt Chicago political machine," then shows Obama saying that Chicago toughened him up. The announcer returns, saying, "His economic adviser: William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother."

McCain-Palin 2008: "Chicago Machine"

Announcer: Barack Obama.
Born of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

Barack Obama: In terms of my toughness, look first of all, I come from Chicago.

Announcer: His economic adviser, William Daley. Lobbyist. Mayor's brother.
His money man, Tony Rezko. Client. Patron. Convicted Felon.
His "political godfather." Emil Jones. Under ethical cloud.
His governor, Rod Blagojevich. A legacy of federal and state investigations.

With friends like that, Obama is not ready to lead.

John McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
First off, Obama wasn't born in Chicago and didn't grow up there. He didn't arrive in the city until 1985, after he finished college. As a community organizer, he often fought City Hall. His rise in politics there wasn't a product of grooming by the Chicago machine, though he made allies of some machine politicans along the way.

Second, William Daley isn't "his economic adviser." He may be one of his advisers in that area, but look at some of the others: Former Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, former National Economic Adviser Gene Sperling, former chairpersons of the Council of Economic Advisers Laura Tyson and Joseph Stiglitz, former Federal Reserve Chair Paul Volcker, and Berkshire Hathaway Chairman and CEO Warren Buffett.

Not that Daley is without qualifications himself. He's a former secretary of commerce. But the ad's likely intent here is to remind viewers of the mayoral administration of Daley's father, Richard J., which, though the elder Daley himself was never indicted, was riddled with corruption and patronage politics. The Boss died in office in 1976, almost a decade before Obama arrived in Chicago.

William Daley's brother, Richard M., is the current mayor of Chicago. He hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing, though some members of his administration have been.

But William Daley, the Daley mentioned in this ad, has had no such scandal or corruption allegations leveled against him. The implication to the contrary is false.

Rezko Redux

The ad lists convicted Illinois businessman Tony Rezko as Obama's "money man," "client" and "patron." Rezko was convicted on 16 counts of wire fraud and mail fraud in June. But Obama has not been seen with Rezko for some time, and he donated the former businessman's $11,500 in campaign contributions to charity in 2007.

As we concluded back in December 2007, "Obama has a relationship with Rezko that dates back many years, but there’s no indication Obama did anything improper."

The Godfather

The ad then turns to Obama's "political godfather" Emil Jones, who the ad says is "under ethical cloud." Jones certainly has been a close confidant of Obama and has used the "godfather" verbiage himself – though the relationship wasn't always so cozy. Obama described him as an "old ward heeler" in his memoir.

But the ethics charge could use a bit more explanation.

The words "under an ethical cloud" do appear in a June 16 Associated Press story about Jones. The full quote is:

AP: Another Obama mentor, state Senate President Emil Jones, serves under an ethical cloud. He has several family members on the state payroll and uses his clout to aid their business interests.

Another AP report said: "Jones has relatives on the state payroll, steers state grants to favorite organizations and uses his clout to punish enemies and bury GOP legislation." But there have been no indictments, investigations or serious inquiries into any improper behavior by Jones.

O Governor, My Governor

Finally, the ad turns to "his governor, Rod Blagojevich" and his "legacy of state and federal investigations." His governor? Ooooh. (Cue scary organ music.)

The Democratic governor certainly has been besieged by investigations, controversy and other charges of impropriety. But his connections to Obama are not substantial. Obama is just one of more than 13 million Illinois residents of whom it could also be said that Blagojevich is "their governor."

In a July 2008 New Yorker article, Illinois Democratic Rep. Rahm Emanuel did tell a reporter that "he and Obama 'participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod [Blagojevich] was running for governor.' " But there hasn't been evidence of much contact since then. In fact, the ethics bill that Obama spearheaded while in the Ilinois Legislature was a response to some of Blagojevich's transgressions. And the Chicago Tribune reported that:

Chicago Tribune (Sept. 19): The embattled Illinois governor was shunned by the Obama camp at the Democratic National Convention in Denver last month while several potential opponents to a possible Blagojevich third-term bid were showcased with floor speeches.

Hardly favorable actions from Obama toward "his governor." And no less an authority than Karl Rove said on Fox News' "Hannity and Colmes" yesterday, "Blagojevich only has the most tenuous ties to Obama."[/
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I watched Hannity and Colmes last night, and Karl Rove said, Blagojevich should have not been in the add, not that he has the most tenuous ties to Obama.
 
So, this doesn't answer exactly what the OP was alleging? How?

The OP was about the Kurtz article that came out, not the McCain commercial Factcheck.org is "fact checking". Your reference is not addressing the article, but the commercial...two different things.
 
Wow!!! That's gonna' leave a mark;) No wonder Obamas campaign tried to have those records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge at UIC sealed:thumbsup2 .As they say, follow the money... it usually leads you to the source:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_dollars.html


Well I guess we KNOW what this crazy "Change" Obama keeps talking is all about!:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: and one more :scared1:

So who knows what the "Hope" stuff is all about?????:confused3
 
Well I guess we KNOW what this crazy "Change" Obama keeps talking is all about!:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: and one more :scared1:

So who knows what the "Hope" stuff is all about?????:confused3


I have seen your posts on other threads and the fact that you supported Hillary and care so little for the policies she espouses. Ones that mean so much to so many, women, middle class, poor, homeless, children...That you will simply throw that away because she lost is simply sad
 
I have two words for all my conservative friends itching for a great Obama scandal


KEATING FIVE!!!!!!!!!


look it up if you want to be completely educated
 
I have seen your posts on other threads and the fact that you supported Hillary and care so little for the policies she espouses. Ones that mean so much to so many, women, middle class, poor, homeless, children...That you will simply throw that away because she lost is simply sad

Can't someone make a decision based upon who they think will be a better leader? Or make a decision not to vote for someone because they don't trust them?
 


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