Obama Supporters, A question?

[DawnCt1]

I want to like Obama, but he strikes me as very naive on foreign policy matters.

An Obama/McCain race would result in a tough decision.

I agree that Obama is naive on foreign policy. The world is also a dangerous place and will remain so for the foreseeable future. McCain was far from my first choice but weighing the existing choices, I am afraid that he is the only sane choice.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I will be voting for Clinton tomorrow. If she does not get the nomination and it becomes a race between Obama and McCain, then I will have to watch the debates and make my decision in November.

I want to like Obama, but he strikes me as very naive on foreign policy matters. We are in the midst of eight years of foreign policy naivete and cannot afford for it to continue. I have a lot of respect for McCain, but I am liberal on social issues and suspect that he will be too far right on issues that are important to me.

An Obama/McCain race would result in a tough decision.

But McCain's foreign policy stance seems to be simply an extension of President Bush's failed 8 year policy. His only tweak would have been a larger force in the Iraq fiasco from go. How is that an improvement?

 

[wvrevy]

I agree that Obama is naive on foreign policy. The world is also a dangerous place and will remain so for the foreseeable future. McCain was far from my first choice but weighing the existing choices, I am afraid that he is the only sane choice.

Gee...I do so miss the Guiliani campaign...at least they weren't afraid to go right after it by mentioning 9/11 every other sentence. I much prefer my fear-mongering straight up.

The world is a dangerous place...and Republican rule has made it more so. Why anyone would think "sane" and "let's have more of what has made us less safe" in the same sentence is just beyond the realm of my understanding.

 

[Angelhalo]

But McCain's foreign policy stance seems to be simply an extension of President Bush's failed 8 year policy. His only tweak would have been a larger force in the Iraq fiasco from go. How is that an improvement?

Agreed, I do not understand the "McCain is better than nothing" type of mentality.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Agreed, I do not understand the "McCain is better than nothing" type of mentality.

And if it's experience based on 20 years of poor decision making, other than desperate Republican voters, exactly who's buying that line of BS?

 

[salmoneous]

Kinda hard to take it seriously when a Romney supporters says the world is too scary to trust somebody with limited foreign policy experience.

Nobody but George H.W. Bush or Jimmy Carter has experience being POTUS, and no, being in the Seante for a long time doesn't count.

 

[Angelhalo]

And if it's experience based on 20 years of poor decision making, other than desperate Republican voters, exactly who's buying that line of BS?

I couldn't agree more. I have this argument every day. I am a registered card waving, proud democrat in a family full of STAUNCH republicans, and sometimes I wonder if I even came from the same womb. Their logic, or lack there of, baffles me.

P.S. Just noticed you are in Palm Beach Gardens, I am in PSL!

 

[nuke]

I will never vote for a republican candidate. I've seen in the last 8 years just how much havoc they can wreak on a country.

Either Obama or Clinton is okay with me.

 

[LukenDC]

But McCain's foreign policy stance seems to be simply an extension of President Bush's failed 8 year policy. His only tweak would have been a larger force in the Iraq fiasco from go. How is that an improvement?

I would hardly call that a "tweak." If Bush had listened to his uniformed military advisors from the get-go, then the situation in Iraq might have been radically different. I did not and do not support the Iraq War, but my biggest gripe is that Bush did not adequately plan for a post-Saddam Iraq and arrogantly ignored prescient advice from the Joint Chiefs and State about what would likely happen in a post-Saddam Iraq.

McCain also calls a spade a spade when it comes to Putin's Russia. Bush has looked like an absolute fool when it comes to trusting this murderous KGB thug.

 

[salmoneous]

I did not and do not support the Iraq War, but my biggest gripe is that Bush did not adequately plan for a post-Saddam Iraq and arrogantly ignored prescient advice from the Joint Chiefs and State about what would likely happen in a post-Saddam Iraq.

Don't go giving credit to McCain for the Wisdom of the Joint Chiefs. Back when the decisions were being made, McCain supported Bush ever step of the way. Just as he is supporting every move Bush is making now.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

After watching Extreme Home Makeover last night - I don't know why ANYONE would want to vote for a Republican. I know some might say it is off topic, but my brother is a Marine and I am proud of him and love him and support him and his brothers.

I am looking for the facts not so much opinions on those of their reasoning again if you are a REGISTERED Democrat you would go and vote for McCain Especially if you voted for Obama in the Primary I mean that is like oil and water. That is what I am just trying to figure out and it confuses and frustrates me.

Now we are on a message board where all of us can vent about anything in good taste of course so if you aren't going to share then don't comment.

This is an extremly serious election and every American should be voting.

A previous poster noted that they didn't like Hillary because she doesn't smile in the debates-------Ummm how many MEN smile in the debates. Do you know what she is up against? She is the first female with a good possibility of becoming President. She can't afford to be cute and nice and smile because then you are going to have people saying "She is too emotional" She is going to be our Leader (possibly) and she needs to be strong or else she will be looked at as weak and then no one will vote for her.

I have several reasons why I voted for Hillary and yes 1 is because I am a woman and think that it is time to show the world that a woman can be President especially in America. Why are we the last ones to have a female president?

By the way another point a previous poster had stated about Hillary is that she is shady - What politician isn't? I mean seriously I don't agree with her on everything but I will vote for either one Obama or Hillary come November.

The war is a big deal because that is why our country is in the state it is now, with no jobs, the cost of oil is insane and the economy is horrible - All because of the war that didn't need to happen..........

I again respect everyone and I just feel it is important to vote HOWEVER I like several others on here can't wrap our heads around the Obama/McCain thing?

Emphasis mine.

You irrationally blame everything on the war and make untrue statements.

No one has a job?? The economy is horrible?? Even if true, would have very very little to do with the war.

The terrorists and their supporters like Saddam started the war a long time ago. Tell the terrorists "that it didn't need to happen."

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I would hardly call that a "tweak." If Bush had listened to his uniformed military advisors from the get-go, then the situation in Iraq might have been radically different. I did not and do not support the Iraq War, but my biggest gripe is that Bush did not adequately plan for a post-Saddam Iraq and arrogantly ignored prescient advice from the Joint Chiefs and State about what would likely happen in a post-Saddam Iraq.

McCain also calls a spade a spade when it comes to Putin's Russia. Bush has looked like an absolute fool when it comes to trusting this murderous KGB thug.

So you're saying that McCain's early surge idea would have been better than Bush's? I can certainly see that as far as a military strategy, but in my mind, the more important flaw is they both came to the same ill-conceived conclusion of a preemptive attack on Iraq, right in the middle of the hunt for bin Laden and the destruction of the Taliban in Afghanistan. At least Obama had the wisdom with only a couple years of political experience under his belt to see that the entire attack on Iraq was a mistake from day one. I'd rather follow the FNG to the correct conclusion than follow the grizzled old political veteran off the cliff any day.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Don't go giving credit to McCain for the Wisdom of the Joint Chiefs. Back when the decisions were being made, McCain supported Bush ever step of the way. Just as he is supporting every move Bush is making now.

Not to mention McCain has publicly admitted to being somewhat clueless when it comes to matters of the economy. Valiant service in Nam and a few years in a POW camp does not a President make. The guy would be a disaster!!

 

[Barbossa]

I would definitely vote for Hillary over McCain. Obama would be my first choice, I think (and some polls have indicated) that he has the best chance of beating McCain.

And IMO McCain is not a bad candidate despite being Republican. My main complaint with him is how he sold his soul to the Bush crime family, basically making deals with them after Bush and Co. completely denigrated his status as a POW and decorated war veteran. Republicans would sell their own grandmas to win an election. proven by the fact that a group of draft dodgers had the audacity to attack the patriotism of decorated vets like McCain and Kerry.

 

[Honu]

Not to mention McCain has publicly admitted to being somewhat clueless when it comes to matters of the economy. Valiant service in Nam and a few years in a POW camp does not a President make. The guy would be a disaster!!

At least on the Dem side we have 2 candidates that can do the job. The GOP has a 72 year old war hero that should truly be on the downslide of his career and a overzealous minister. I'd be tearing my hair out.

 

[PatsMom]

Republicans would sell their own grandmas to win an election.

And you think the Democrats wouldn't?

 

[Barbossa]

And you think the Democrats wouldn't?

Much to my chagrin, the Democrats don't know how to fight nearly as nasty as the Republicans, which is one of the reasons Dubya managed to get elected to two terms. So, no, the Dems wouldn't sell their grandmas. Rent them maybe, but not sell.

 

[lilyv]

Much to my chagrin, the Democrats don't know how to fight nearly as nasty as the Republicans, which is one of the reasons Dubya managed to get elected to two terms. So, no, the Dems wouldn't sell their grandmas. Rent them maybe, but not sell.

Hypothetical, but timely...Did you read Ted Olson's speculation on Clinton v. Obama?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120269002843257513.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

 

[Barbossa]

Hypothetical, but timely...Did you read Ted Olson's speculation on Clinton v. Obama?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120269002843257513.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

A commentary on Democrats by a Murdoch-owned publication. I might as well ask Rush and Hannity what they think.

 

[Fitswimmer]

A commentary on Democrats by a Murdoch-owned publication. I might as well ask Rush and Hannity what they think.

And did you catch the bottom?

Mr. Olson, a lawyer in Washington, D.C. and a former solicitor general of the United States, represented George W. Bush before the Supreme Court in 2000 in Bush v. Gore.