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[Reflection]

I can guarantee you I have been quoted, misquoted all over this board and other boards and pulled over from this board.... I once found a quote that I posted here on the DIS on another Liberal website in a news article in regards to what was then the Duke Rape Case, I kid you not, it was a direct quote by me here on a thread referencing the case.... I was pretty amused at that one..... People take WHATEVER you say and use it in whatever way they deem appropriate. If all that was quoted from you were those six words, I wouldn't get uptight over it. You weren't personally berated but that's just my opinion....

Nicely put, chris1gill. I would add one slight addition--not only do some take whatever someone might say and use those words however they choose, they are also extremely good at not understanding what was originally written in the first place.

 

[wvrevy]

I can guarantee you I have been quoted, misquoted all over this board and other boards and pulled over from this board.... I once found a quote that I posted here on the DIS on another Liberal website in a news article in regards to what was then the Duke Rape Case, I kid you not, it was a direct quote by me here on a thread referencing the case.... I was pretty amused at that one..... People take WHATEVER you say and use it in whatever way they deem appropriate. If all that was quoted from you were those six words, I wouldn't get uptight over it. You weren't personally berated but that's just my opinion....

Chris - I was in a discussion on the new "Let's all take Obama out of context" thread and I pointed out that people wanting to score political points would spin his answer about Carter meeting with Hammas no matter how he answered it. I even gave three predicted responses (one from a fictional Hannity, one from a fictional Rush, and one from a generic conservative). Later in the thread, I went and found three posts that almost exactly matched what I predicted they would...and GotDisney's was the one I used to show the "generic conservative" prediction. NOTHING was taken out of context, and I included her entire quote from the Hillary thread.

Again, I added nothing, subtracted nothing, and took nothing out of context. I quoted her exactly, using the multiple quote function of the board. NOTHING I did broke any board rules, and, if anything, I was trying to respect the Hillary supporters wishes by not posting in their thread. Frankly, I'm not sure why she's as upset about this as she is.

 

[chris1gill]

Nicely put, chris1gill. I would add one slight addition--not only do some take whatever someone might say and use those words however they choose, they are also extremely good at not understanding what was originally written in the first place.

Oh, well they put whatever slant they like on it, to see where some of my quotes have been and in what context, well, it's a little, shall we say... surprising.... If you believe some, I should move from this country because I'm not lock step with the Administration & for that I MAKE NO APOLOGY...... You bet that will be quoted somewhere

 

[chobie]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24416925]
If you want to make fun of my spelling you go for it....but again..do not take my posts out of my thread and post else where. I PM'd and asked the MODS if this was allowed and have not received a reply yet. So we will see. If it is than there is noting I can do about it. So we will see.[/QUOTE]


Pssst...You are going to lose on that one. Posting from one thread to another is all allowed. If it makes you feel any better, I once threw a fit because Charade did that to me. But, then I realized that (1) it's allowed and (2) it's fair. If you say something, then own up to it. If it's taken out of context then say so. If you have changed your mind since you first said it, then say so.

As for the liberals that PM'd you, well many were were sympathetic to Hillary supporters when the liberal thread became dominated by Obama supporters and did not think that was right. But when you went crying to, and aligning yourself with, the con thread, well you lost a lot of support.

 

["Got Disney"]

Chris - I was in a discussion on the new "Let's all take Obama out of context" thread and I pointed out that people wanting to score political points would spin his answer about Carter meeting with Hammas no matter how he answered it. I even gave three predicted responses (one from a fictional Hannity, one from a fictional Rush, and one from a generic conservative). Later in the thread, I went and found three posts that almost exactly matched what I predicted they would...and GotDisney's was the one I used to show the "generic conservative" prediction. NOTHING was taken out of context, and I included her entire quote from the Hillary thread.

Again, I added nothing, subtracted nothing, and took nothing out of context. I quoted her exactly, using the multiple quote function of the board. NOTHING I did broke any board rules, and, if anything, I was trying to respect the Hillary supporters wishes by not posting in their thread. Frankly, I'm not sure why she's as upset about this as she is.

For your information it was not a thread called lets take Obama out of context again .... second I posted the article in the Hillary thread than posted my opinion on how I feel about his strengths about war.....and your full of you know what...you were not trying to respect anyones wishes and you know it.

You are all welcome to read what I posted. It was my opinion....not anything about taking any article out of context. this has been my opinion for a long time. Again you are making yourself sound like the innocent when you are not. I did not twist the article I know heat he said...and I dont agree with Obama...

You posted my post elsewhere and had nothing to do with that thread.....I am not pissed not ashamed about what I said....it is the principle that you went looking in that thread to use something and found it and brought it there. When someone quotes another that person has the right to respond....if it is taken out of that thread and the poster does not know they can not respond.

Makes me wonder how many other posters you have done this to.

If it is allowed to do this than it should not be. Anyone could change a poster words in that quote and no one would know. And if it is allowed than posters should respect the other posters and not do it. I'ts called common courtesy

 

[chris1gill]

Chris - I was in a discussion on the new "Let's all take Obama out of context" thread

I see the thread you're talking about now, like ya didn't see that coming & do you think the entire quote from Obama could be discussed in a meaningful way?? Umm, nope, just the sentences they didn't like, doesn't matter what was leading up to it....

Here's the entire quote given to adults in the room & how some people of this nation feel about the incompetence of their government when their jobs are shipped off & the people are left behind with no recognition of what has happened to them. They turn to the things that make them feel better than just throwing their hands up and giving up.

I'm not quoting it to debate it, apparently there's already a thread for that LOL...



Quote:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

 

[lilyv]

Yikes! A girl leaves for a nice beer and brat and what happened? It's going to take a little time to back read.

 

[chris1gill]

Yikes! A girl leaves for a nice beer and brat and what happened? It's going to take a little time to back read.

Everybody's panties seem to be in an uproar... here's the latest quote in question, it's a total non story referenced above... Both McCain & Clinton have jumped on it

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/11/880232.aspx

And for the record Obama didn't say the people of Pennsylvania are bitter people. He said they're bitter about the economy and the loss of their jobs (through prior administrations from Bush 1, Clinton & Bush 2). The people of Pennsylvania are too smart to fall for this double talk coming out of both the Clinton & McCain camps.

 

[lilyv]

Everybody's panties seem to be in an uproar... here's the latest quote in question, it's a total non story referenced above... Both McCain & Clinton have jumped on it

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/11/880232.aspx

And for the record Obama didn't say the people of Pennsylvania are bitter people. He said they're bitter about the economy and the loss of their jobs (through prior administrations from Bush 1, Clinton & Bush 2). The people of Pennsylvania are too smart to fall for this double talk coming out of both the Clinton & McCain camps.

Thanks for the update. I'll be so glad when this season of "Let's twist what Obama actually said..." is over.

 

[chris1gill]

Thanks for the update. I'll be so glad when this season of "Let's twist what Obama actually said..." is over.

It's gone beyond the ridiculous, whoever says THIS is what led them to not vote for him, you were NEVER going to vote for him in the first place! But if you're going to take a 30 second sound byte, well, you've got gold here. Course both the other sides have plenty of gold for taking, so I'm not so sure they want to go down that path....

 

[jme829]

I see the thread you're talking about now, like ya didn't see that coming & do you think the entire quote from Obama could be discussed in a meaningful way?? Umm, nope, just the sentences they didn't like, doesn't matter what was leading up to it....

Here's the entire quote given to adults in the room & how some people of this nation feel about the incompetence of their government when their jobs are shipped off & the people are left behind with no recognition of what has happened to them. They turn to the things that make them feel better than just throwing their hands up and giving up.

I'm not quoting it to debate it, apparently there's already a thread for that LOL...QUOTE]





My dad has lost 5 jobs in the last 4 years due to plants closing up and moving out of the country (he is currently unemployed) ...your dang right he is bitter!! He lives in Ohio...need I say more? He is too young to fully retire (60) and really too old to get a decent job or start over...He has probably been on unemployment as much as he has worked for the last few years. He is frustrated and dejected and bitter. When he sees a candidate who "suppposedly" doesn't support NAFTA but who has no problem with partaking in hubby's $800,000 earned from his support of same, you can bet that majorly pisses him off. My dad is caught between a rock and a hard place and is right now biding his time and hoping he can find something , anything to sustain him and my mom until he can fully retire.

I've decided to not even lurk on the HRC thread anymore..Most of them are ok, but there is one in particular that is just too fanatical and for awhile was quite amusing to read, but now its just sad (and scary).

I was going to grudgingly support HRC in the GE IF by some act of God she actually would get the nod, but lately she just makes me sick and I will have to do more than hold my nose to vote for her..more like a major drinking binge (and I don't drink..!!) and a huge barf bag for when I'm done voting for her. I really don't know what I would do now if she were to actually pull this out. I can't in good faith vote for McBush either (although I did vote for him last time around).

On a different note, I was reading another site and the thought of a Obama/C. Powell ticket was brought up.....thoughts?? (just something new to discuss... ) I just thought it was an interesting suggestion.

 

[chris1gill]

My dad has lost 5 jobs in the last 4 years due to plants closing up and moving out of the country (he is currently unemployed) ...your dang right he is bitter!! He lives in Ohio...need I say more? He is too young to fully retire (60) and really too old to get a decent job or start over...He has probably been on unemployment as much as he has worked for the last few years. He is frustrated and dejected and bitter. When he sees a candidate who "suppposedly" doesn't support NAFTA but who has no problem with partaking in hubby's $800,000 earned from his support of same, you can bet that majorly pisses him off. My dad is caught between a rock and a hard place and is right now biding his time and hoping he can find something , anything to sustain him and my mom until he can fully retire.

I've decided to not even lurk on the HRC thread anymore..Most of them are ok, but there is one in particular that is just too fanatical and for awhile was quite amusing to read, but now its just sad (and scary).

I was going to grudgingly support HRC in the GE IF by some act of God she actually would get the nod, but lately she just makes me sick and I will have to do more than hold my nose to vote for her..more like a major drinking binge (and I don't drink..!!) and a huge barf bag for when I'm done voting for her. I really don't know what I would do now if she were to actually pull this out. I can't in good faith vote for McBush either (although I did vote for him last time around).

On a different note, I was reading another site and the thought of a Obama/C. Powell ticket was brought up.....thoughts?? (just something new to discuss... ) I just thought it was an interesting suggestion.

Personally, I hope there's a good third party candidate if Obama isn't on the ticket... I don't know which is worse a lying HRC or a Clueless McBush, one is as bad as the other.

As for your Dad (I'm sorry he has such a hard time of it), how does he feel about the statement made, or how would he feel about it? just curious, you don't have to answer...

I would love to see Powell on the ticket, but much has been made of it that he probably would not accept such a position <sigh> I like Dodd from Connecticut, or maybe Hagel who is a Republican....

 

[pr surfer]

Yikes! A girl leaves for a nice beer and brat and what happened? It's going to take a little time to back read.

You bring enough for everyone? lol

 

[chris1gill]

You bring enough for everyone? lol

Hey, speaking of which, how was Wednesday's happy hour? It was Wednesday right?

 

["Got Disney"]

Where are all your con friends now? Shouldn't they have been having your back? Maybe you should have joined in more with the back patting of Breezy when she said all us libs prefer terrorists to America?


Shout out to all the con thread posters: "Got Disney" needs your support!!!!!

At least I'm not a conservative hate mongure. Sure hope all your friends are liberals. And as for breezy I posted over there about it and we discussed it over PM's so not to start a brawl on any of the treads.

Funny how your so concerned with me posting on the conservative thread. Are you worried that I will give away trade secrets? They understand that I do not like Bush at all, or Cheney....They also know that I will be voting Hillary or Obama...not McCain. Yet we get along....go figure.

Sorry but I hold no hate for anyone in my life and dont intend to start on the DIS.

 

[chris1gill]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24419537]At least I'm not a conservative racist like some are.[/QUOTE]

I'll say this with a straight face At least your one up on them!! But there are racist liberals as well... same as sexist conservatives and sexist liberals, but we're glad to see you aren't a racist conservative.

 

[chris1gill]

Go Barack!!!!

He had a comeback tonight at his rally to both McCain and Clinton & I love it.... I cannot wait for the next speech he gives this exact sentiment that 90% of American's can actually relate to, coming from a guy that is worth 3% of either of his rivals... calling him elitist is laughable. How about intelligent, a quick study and astute?? That's just for starters!


April 11, 2008
Obama defends 'bitter' remarks
Posted: 10:03 PM ET
Sen. Obama responded to attacks on his recent remarks at a campaign stop in Terre Haute, Indiana Friday night.

TERRE HAUTE, Indiana (CNN) –- Barack Obama was forced Friday to defend comments he made at a recent fundraiser where he described some Pennsylvanians as "bitter."

Obama came under fire from Hillary Clinton and John McCain for his remarks just weeks before the Pennsylvania primary.

"When I go around and I talk to people, there is frustration, and there is anger, and there is bitterness," Obama began. "I want to make a point here."

"[Pennsylvanians are] frustrated and for good reason, because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas, they’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs, they’ve lost their pensions. They’ve lost their health care."

Obama then said that politicians from both sides of the aisle have promised answers but that "nothing ever happens."

"So…they don’t vote on economic because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them," Obama said, adding that they end up voting on issues that include gun rights, gay marriage, and faith.

He then directly hit Clinton and McCain, mocking their earlier attacks.

"Here’s what’s rich," Obama said. "Sen. Clinton says, 'Well I don’t think people are bitter in Pennsylvania. I think Barack’s being condescending.' John McCain says, 'Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? He’s obviously out of touch with people. '"

"Out of touch?" Obama said. "I mean, John McCain, it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch?"

"Sen. Clinton voted for a credit card sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch?"

He concluded his argument by telling the audience that it is, in fact, the opposite.

"No. I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania, I know what’s going on in Indiana, [and] I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up."

 

["Got Disney"]

I'll say this with a straight face At least your one up on them!! But there are racist liberals as well... same as sexist conservatives and sexist liberals, but we're glad to see you aren't a racist conservative.

If you re- read my post I changed that to hatemongers. It fit the point better. And yes there are in both Liberal and conservatives....and I don't go insulting other posters on where they choose to post....ever!

I get that some don't like it and it is annoying on how can she do such a thing as if I am abusing them personally. I have many conservative friends. Find that to be no different here...

AS for Obama ...I am not happy with where he is going just as you are not with Hillary. But I would never think of taking one of your not so nice posts and posting them where and when I want to make a point.

We will disagree and that is fine. But calling me names or vise versa does any of us any good.

Good luck to Obama because I do not want McCain.....and yes you will read my posts over at the Cons thread and all over these boards.

And I will keep going on about Obama as you all will about Hillary.

 

[chris1gill]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24419673]
We will disagree and that is fine. But calling me names or vise versa does any of us any good.
[/QUOTE]

As you quoted me, I will respond. I don't resort to name calling or degrading anyone, so I as a matter of fact will not be calling you names or degrading you. Just wanted to make that crystal clear.

We each have our candidate and that is where we will have to agree to disagree, at least on this thread. I don't visit the HRC thread, so you won't see me arguing a point there.

 

[wvrevy]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";24419673]If you re- read my post I changed that to hatemongers. It fit the point better. And yes there are in both Liberal and conservatives....and I don't go insulting other posters on where they choose to post....ever!

I get that some don't like it and it is annoying on how can she do such a thing as if I am abusing them personally. I have many conservative friends. Find that to be no different here...

AS for Obama ...I am not happy with where he is going just as you are not with Hillary. But I would never think of taking one of your not so nice posts and posting them where and when I want to make a point.

We will disagree and that is fine. But calling me names or vise versa does any of us any good.

Good luck to Obama because I do not want McCain.....and yes you will read my posts over at the Cons thread and all over these boards.

And I will keep going on about Obama as you all will about Hillary.[/QUOTE]

1 - Again, as I'm sure you'll find, there is no rule against quoting a post anywhere you'd like. I've said it on this thread, as have others: feel free to use any post of mine any way you like, so long as you quote me accurately (as I did you) and in context (again, as I did).

2 - You seem to have no problem calling me names (witness your post on this very thread calling me a "troll"), so why are you complaining? Besides, I haven't seen anyone here call you any names at all.

3 - As for the conservative thread and posting there, personally, I see nothing wrong with it. I have a couple friends on that thread as well, though I don't post there often, mostly because they prefer the thread to be for conservative posters, which I most definitely am not. I think the reason you take flak for it is that many of the conservatives are "supporting" Hillary ONLY because they hope she damages Obama so severely for the general election that it will help McCain win in the end. Frankly, that's the same concern that many of is have, so seeing Hillary supporters whose biggest cheering section is comprised of some of the most conservative members of this board is an irritant.

I have nothing personally against you, Robin, aside from the fact that you seem to have some kind of vendetta against me. I even respect the fact that you say you will vote for Obama should the nomination go against your candidate. There is nothing wrong with passionate support for your candidate. But, from the beginning, you have attacked Obama supporters as nothing more than "kool aid drinkers" who were caught up in some kind of hysteria about him rather than choosing to support him based on our rational belief that he would make a better president than Hillary Clinton. Yes, I took offense to that then, and still do. Between your posts and DisUnc's, you seem to believe that, in order for someone to support Obama over Clinton, someone has to be either a mysoginist (again, an accusation at which I take great offense), or some kind of mindless rube easily swayed by pretty words. So if you think the "problems" are all on our side, I'm sorry, but you are sadly mistaken.

I've tried to respect your wishes and not post to the Hillary supporters thread, and been accused of using that courtesy as an "excuse" for not responding to something there. I've tried to discuss the election in other threads with you and am immediately called "hostile", despite my having defended both Democratic candidates on that same thread (I believe there was a joke about how Obama supporters must be "drunk" ). At every single turn you've attacked me, called me names, and tried to come off as an innocent victim of that mean ol' WVRevy and his overly agressive ways. I'm tired of it, so I reported your insults. I doubt anything will come of that, but I just don't know how else to get you to back off.

To any other Hillary supporters out there reading this thread, I believe I may owe you all an apology. I've already talked to a few of you off-line and through PM's, but I feel I should do this "publicly" as well. I have, at times, let GotDisney and DisUnc's goading get the better of my judgment, and lashed out at all Hillary supporters in response, and for that, I am truly sorry. I fully realize that many of you looked at the situation rationally and simply came to a different conclusion than I, and that's fine with me. Oh, I still have a problem with a lot of things Hillary has done, but I promise you that I will confine my outrage with her to this thread or other forums rather than taking out my frustrations on any of you. In the end, we're all on the same side against the Republicans and the damage they have done and want to continue to do to this country. I will do everything I can to remember that in the future when I'm getting Bush-supporter-like attacks from certain other Hillary supporters.