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[Laura]

Note to the Hillary folks reading here...

We are not afraid of having the Florida, Michigan situation revisited....

we only think Hillary is out of line in claiming victory in these "primarys" that were not sanctioned by the Democratic Party!!!!

Most particularly Michigan, in my mind. How can I vote for a name that's not on the ballot?

 

[akhenaten]

I'd sort of also like to ask said person why it is Clinton has been saying since Ohio that no Nominee has ever won the Presidency without winning Ohio in the Primary.... However the Washington Post pointed out today that Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon all won without winning Ohio. So why does she keep saying it?

because most folks won't bother to check the facts....
the seed gets planted by her first ...and it becomes fact for many

 

[wvrevy]

Here's a little ammo. Use it as you will.

States marked red have gone Republican in the last three elections. States marked blue have gone Democrat in the last three. States marked Green have been swing states with neither party winning three of three.

Hillary Won
Arizona - Dem in '96, Rep since
Arkansas - Same
California
Massachusetts
Nevada - Same
New Hampshire - Dem in '96, '04
New Jersey
New Mexico - Dem in '96, '00
New York
Ohio - Dem in '96
Oklahoma
Rhode Island
Tennessee - Dem in '96 *Al Gore*
Texas

Barack Won
Alaska
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
DC
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa - Dem in '96, '00
Kansas
Louisiana - Dem in '96
Maine
Maryland
Minnesota
Missouri - Dem in '96
Nebraska
North Dakota
South Carolina
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

Now...by my count, Hillary has won 7 swing states, and Barack has won 3. That said, he won fairly big victories in places like Virginia and South Carolina, so it's a possibility he could pull in wins in those states. Also, he stands as much chance of carrying Arizona and Tennessee as Hillary does (which is to say: no chance at all), and would stand a good chance of winning Ohio and New Hampshire as well (Ohio because of McCain).

The truth just isn't as simple as "Hillary wins swing states". Anybody trying to tell you differently is obviously trying to sell you something, or else they just don't understand the way things actually work.

 

[akhenaten]

Here's a little ammo. Use it as you will.

.

please don't use that smilie...its insulting...



(just kidding .....hope you read that post to you on the hillary board..or you won't get this at all)

 

[lilyv]

I'd sort of also like to ask said person why it is Clinton has been saying since Ohio that no Nominee has ever won the Presidency without winning Ohio in the Primary.... However the Washington Post pointed out today that Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon all won without winning Ohio. So why does she keep saying it?

This makes Clinton appear as if she thinks most folks are kind of slow...and they won't check, so why not just make up history.

 

[JennyMominRI]

3 more superdelagates to Obama today


http://208.122.14.138/thefield/

 

[lilyv]

3 more superdelagates to Obama today


http://208.122.14.138/thefield/

Hooray!!! I needed some good news.

I'm still reeling from the new low of the Clinton campaign comparing Barack Obama to Ken Star.

 

[chris1gill]

Hooray!!! I needed some good news.

I'm still reeling from the new low of the Clinton campaign comparing Barack Obama to Ken Star.

Actually, I think their quote might be a GIFT.... if it were me I'd be drawing any and all inferences of it out into the open, in a very coy manner of course...

It is great news about the Super's

 

[akhenaten]

3 more superdelagates to Obama today


http://208.122.14.138/thefield/

Thanks for the good news jenny!!

 

[Honu]

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com
March 6, 2008
Obama raises $55 million in February
Posted: 03:54 PM ET

Obama raised $55 million in February.
(CNN) – Barack Obama’s campaign said Thursday that it had set a new campaign fundraising record, raising $55 million in February – roughly $20 million more than rival Hillary Clinton during the same time period. Nearly all of the money came in the form of contributions that can be used during the primary process.

The campaign said that 727,972 donors contributed to the campaign last month, including 385,101 first-time contributors. More than one million individuals have donated to Obama’s presidential campaign since it began last year.

More than $45 million of the February haul came in the form of online contributions, according to the campaign. More than 90 percent of those donations were $100 or less; half were $25 or less. Three-quarters of online donors in February were first-time contributors, and more than a third of those individuals went on to engage in volunteer activity coordinated through the campaign’s Web site.

 

[NewJersey]

Awesome fundraising figures!

Check out this electoral college calculator:

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/

Obama 280, McCain 258

 

[NewJersey]

Did the Hillary campaign intentionally darken Obama's skin in her 3 am attack ad?

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/lone-post-calls-out-black-barack-attack.php

 

[Honu]

It appears so. His head was also stretched.

www.dailykos.com

 

[Honu]

Math. My new favorite subject.

Huffington Post

With Michigan and Florida, Obama Will Win Nomination by May 20th
Joe Vogel
Thu Mar 6, 11:14 AM ET


For the past several days, the Clinton campaign has been clamoring for a re-vote in the delegate-rich states of Florida and Michigan. The poor judgment of the leadership in these states to move their primaries before February 5th and be stripped of their delegates, the argument goes, should not be held against the people. Their voices should be heard and their votes counted.

Of course, the Clintons haven't been quite as keen on democracy when it comes to pledged versus superdelegates. But trailing now by over 150 pledged delegates and 100 total delegates with just over 600 left to divvy up, this strategy, on the surface, seems to make sense for Hillary Clinton. After all, Florida and Michigan are big states, she "won" them both originally, and would be favored in a do-over.

However, looking a little closer, there is actually a compelling case for the Obama campaign to agree to the Clintons' request. If Michigan and Florida are put back in play, it turns out, it will actually speed up Barack Obama's victory. Instead of going all the way to the Democratic Convention in August (where it could get ugly and complicated), Barack Obama could secure the nomination by May 20th. Here's how:

According to RealClearPolitics, Barack Obama currently has 1,573 total delegates to 1,464 for Hillary Clinton. Add in Michigan (128) and Florida (185) and suddenly 313 more delegates are up for grabs. Let's say Hillary wins both of these states by 12-point margins, 56-44. This will give her approximately 165 delegates to 148 for Barack Obama, a net gain of 17.

That puts Barack Obama at 1,721 to 1,629 for Hillary Clinton.

Now, word is circulating in the press that 50 pledged delegates are going to come out for Barack Obama by the end of this week so if we add those in that puts him at approximately 1,771.

That's when the remaining states come in. Here are my modest approximations for the states holding primaries and caucuses up to May 20th:

Wyoming: 12 delegates (8 for Obama, 4 for Clinton) Mississippi: 33 delegates (20 for Obama, 13 for Clinton) Pennsylvania: 158 delegates (74 for Obama, 84 for Clinton) Guam: 4 delegates (3 for Obama, 1 for Clinton) Indiana: 72 delegates (36 for Obama, 36 for Clinton) North Carolina: 115 delegates (65 for Obama, 50 for Clinton) West Virginia: 28 delegates (13 for Obama, 15 for Clinton) Kentucky: 51 delegates (24 for Obama, 27 for Clinton) Oregon: 52 delegates (30 for Obama, 22 for Clinton)

And the grand total is...

Barack Obama: 2,034 (reaches the 2,025 threshold and wins the nomination)
Hillary Clinton: 1,881

Of course, the more superdelegates start jumping to Obama (which has been the trend since February 5th), the sooner he can wrap up the nomination. It is not farfetched at all to believe he could be the presumptive nominee by May 6th.

So send the memo to the Obama campaign: Give in to Hillary's demand. Let Florida and Michigan re-vote. It only speeds up the path to the magic number.

 

[NewJersey]

Thanks for that article! I missed it in my usual perusing of the blogs.

I really liked the dailykos article that says that even if Hillary wins every remaining district in each state by 25%, she'd still be behind by 50 delegates.

 

[NewJersey]

The final CA numbers are out:

The final result of the California Democratic primary is now in.
Every listing of the California delegate split still has the old
numbers:

Clinton: 207
Obama: 163

But the new numbers, according to

Link

and reported on at

Link

are

Clinton: 203
Obama: 167

(due, presumably, to all the late absentee, provisional and
bubble ballots finally being counted).

That's a 'huge' +8 delta for Obama, wiping out any gains Clinton
got from March 4th.

I got that from a comment on the Obama blog.

So given these, Clinton actually has fallen 2 more delegates behind as of today, compared to Monday if we add in Tuesday's results. We've had 9 more superdelegates this week and she's had one.

So in total, we've expanded our lead by 10 this week.

 

[chris1gill]

The final CA numbers are out:



I got that from a comment on the Obama blog.

So given these, Clinton actually has fallen 2 more delegates behind as of today, compared to Monday if we add in Tuesday's results. We've had 9 more superdelegates this week and she's had one.

So in total, we've expanded our lead by 10 this week.

I might be slow, but how is California a net 8, looks like net 4 with all the numbers in... 207 - 163 vs 203 -167

Honu, thanks for that math, I think I like it We should all email Obama headquarters and ask them to foot the bill for the primary LOL... That's okay Hill, we'll take care of it for you

 

[NewJersey]

I might be slow, but how is California a net 8, looks like net 4 with all the numbers in... 207 - 163 vs 203 -167

Honu, thanks for that math, I think I like it We should all email Obama headquarters and ask them to foot the bill for the primary LOL... That's okay Hill, we'll take care of it for you

Well she won 44 more delegates under the original reported results - once all the votes were counted she actually netted 36 delegates - so Obama's count increased by 4 and Clinton's decreased by 4, padding Obama's lead by 8 more than originally thought.

 

[chris1gill]

Well she won 44 more delegates under the original reported results - once all the votes were counted she actually netted 36 delegates - so Obama's count increased by 4 and Clinton's decreased by 4, padding Obama's lead by 8 more than originally thought.

Thank you so much, I just wasn't putting 2 & 2 together there for a moment.... I was thinking about the math from the Huffington Post LOL....

 

[NewJersey]

Thank you so much, I just wasn't putting 2 & 2 together there for a moment.... I was thinking about the math from the Huffington Post LOL....

With all the numbers floating around out there, its getting a bit confusing!