North Korea Nuclear Test

[billythefish]

I'd like to ask a simple question...wouldn't an underground nuclear detonation show up on a seismograph somewhere? So far, all we have to go on is the North Korea says that they tested the device. I remember when the US was doing undergound testing, I was living in LA and they said "if you feel a small earthquake, it is from the test."...so logically, we should have been able to verify the test almost immediately, right?

S. Korea has confirmed that it registered 3.7 on the Ricther scale.

 

[billythefish]

I think we need to have a talk with them and then go in after this lunatic ourselves. We're the ones at risk.

Why? They know if they use their nukes, they'll be wiped off the map.

We have to play the long game with these rogue states, sooner or later they tend to implode. Like someone said, let them have their nukes.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I'd like to ask a simple question...wouldn't an underground nuclear detonation show up on a seismograph somewhere?

Yes it did. I came across as a 4.X earthquake. This is how it was know that he actually did it.

 

[DawnCt1]

No, you are, as usual, as always

Bill Clinton, Madalyn Albright and Jimmy Carter, in exchange for a meaningless piece of paper declaring "peace", gave Kim Jong-Il millions of dollars, oil, food and a nuclear reactor. They then failed to enter into an agreement of verification and continued the financial aid. Now tell me, where did I get it wrong.

 

[shrubber]

I would doubt that the Nk detonated a nuclear device.
Those people can't even get a rocket off the ground.
There have been huge explosions there before without an a bomb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanggang_explosion

remember?

Just blow something up with chemical bomb and tell everyone that it was a nuke. Get some attention for the stalled talks.
Radioactive isotopes will be deteced soon if there was a nuke.
siesmec (sp?) doesn't count.

 

[DawnCt1]

I would doubt that the Nk detonated a nuclear device.
Those people can't even get a rocket off the ground.
There have been huge explosions there before without an a bomb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanggang_explosion

remember?

Just blow something up with chemical bomb and tell everyone that it was a nuke. Get some attention for the stalled talks.
Radioactive isotopes will be deteced soon if there was a nuke.
siesmec (sp?) doesn't count.

The Russians confirmed it but that doesn't mean a whole lot. We are still waiting to confirm whether it was actually nuclear. President Bush's comments were related to the statement/intent that they did. I don't think that he confirmed that they did.

 

[TheDoctor]

Bill Clinton, Madalyn Albright and Jimmy Carter, in exchange for a meaningless piece of paper declaring "peace", gave Kim Jong-Il millions of dollars, oil, food and a nuclear reactor. They then failed to enter into an agreement of verification and continued the financial aid. Now tell me, where did I get it wrong.

Here is a simple example of why you are wrong here. http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/89305,cst-nws-nknuke09.article

Some experts estimate that at least 80 percent of the country's stockpile of 44 to 116 pounds of refined plutonium was processed since the end of the freeze in 2002.

In case you are comfused about timing, President Clinton was no longer in office when most of the plutonium was refined but you will not doubt figure someway to blame President Clinton despite the facts being against you.

 

[DawnCt1]

Here is a simple example of why you are wrong here. http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/89305,cst-nws-nknuke09.article In case you are comfused about timing, President Clinton was no longer in office when most of the plutonium was refined but you will not doubt figure someway to blame President Clinton despite the facts being against you.

"Some experts?" There is absolutely no evidence that any program was "frozen" because there was never any verification as part of the Albright/Carter/Clinton Agreement. Note the 2000 pix of Albright and the little doggy eater www.newsmax.com You can bet that business went on "as usual" as millions of people starved. There was no collection of spent rods from the reactors that arrived there in 1994.

 

[TheDoctor]

For what is it is worth, this appears to be a failed test. http://americablog.blogspot.com/

My friends in the non-proliferation world are pretty confident that this was a failed test. Apparently it would have been difficult for North Korea to test a one-kilo nuke, as the standard -- and what they've always done -- is 20. The test reportedly yielded a sub-kiloton explosion, along with a radiological event, which makes it very likely that North Korea attempted a 20 kilo test and it failed. North Korea is, of course, claiming a successful test, but it's very much in their strategic interest to muddy the waters if the test did fail.

See also http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002832.html

A plutonium device should produce a yield in the range of the 20 kilotons, like the one we dropped on Nagasaki. No one has ever dudded their first test of a simple fission device. North Korean nuclear scientists are now officially the worst ever.

This is still serious but luckily the North Koreans apparently had a dud.

 

[TheDoctor]

"Some experts?" There is absolutely no evidence that any program was "frozen" because there was never any verification as part of the Albright/Carter/Clinton Agreement. Note the 2000 pix of Albright and the little doggy eater www.newsmax.com You can bet that business went on "as usual" as millions of people starved. There was no collection of spent rods from the reactors that arrived there in 1994.

Thanks for the laugh. I trust my sources a great deal more than I trust newsmax or the freerepublc. You have no authority for your position here. Again, thank you for the laugh.

 

[cstraub]

It all just seems so childish.

Maybe we should just get rid of all the leaders in the world. Do we really need leaders? Really, does anyone know if this has ever been tried on a smaller scale? It just seems like all the leaders are controlling the world that they are not even really a part of. We have to live with the choices that they make.


Maybe I'm neive, but I like to think that most of us humans are nice and want to help each other. There are just a few people that have all the power and what they want is what is going to happen.

This nuke thing is just so, so..........80's. Are my children going to have to worry now about a nuclear war as I did back in the 80's? It just seems so old fashioned.

 

[DawnCt1]

Thanks for the laugh. I trust my sources a great deal more than I trust newsmax or the freerepublc. You have no authority for your position here. Again, thank you for the laugh.

You haven't seen that picture before? I am glad I could enlighten you. A picture is a picture and the picture of Ms. Albright toasting the little doggy eater is available anywhere. It just happens to be on Newsmax today.

 

[DawnCt1]

This nuke thing is just so, so..........80's. Are my children going to have to worry now about a nuclear war as I did back in the 80's? It just seems so old fashioned.

In the hands of madmen that starve their own people, your children will indeed have to worry about nuclear war. Old fashioned threats are as frightening as new age threats.

 

[mickeyfan2]

TheDoctor this is the best news that we could have gotten under the existing situation. There rockets were duds too, so this atleast buys us more time.

 

[TheDoctor]

No..no...no. You don't understand. Every bad thing that happens in the world is further evidence that President Bush is an idiot.

Not necessarily, but you may find this amusing.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/09/why-should-i-care-about-north-korea/#comments

In State of Denial, Bob Woodward recounts a conversation between then-Gov. George W. Bush and then-Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar, in which Bush wonders why he should care about North Korea. “I get these briefings on all parts of the world,” Bush said, “and everybody is talking to me about North Korea.”

 

[TheDoctor]

TheDoctor this is the best news that we could have gotten under the existing situation. There rockets were duds too, so this atleast buys us more time.

North Korea is a long way from making a bomb that could fit on one of their missles even if such missiles worked. The major danger would be to Japan which could be reached by one of the Mig-29s that North Korea has.

 

[Deb in IA]

"Some experts?" There is absolutely no evidence that any program was "frozen" because there was never any verification as part of the Albright/Carter/Clinton Agreement. Note the 2000 pix of Albright and the little doggy eater www.newsmax.com You can bet that business went on "as usual" as millions of people starved. There was no collection of spent rods from the reactors that arrived there in 1994.

 

[mickeyfan2]

North Korea is a long way from making a bomb that could fit on one of their missles even if such missiles worked. The major danger would be to Japan which could be reached by one of the Mig-29s that North Korea has.

Japan would be the first target. The Japanese-Korean history has not been the best.

 

[DawnCt1]

You are right, I take it back. He swills zillions of dollars worth of brandy, cavier and only the best while his starving millions are forced to eat tree bark. You do know that there are no dogs in North Korea. They have all been eaten. The people are starving. The most recent horrific story I heard was a young woman being returned to N. Korea by the Chinese. She turned to her Chinese captors before she walked acrossed the bridge and asked for a comb and water so she wouldn't have to face "Heaven" dirty and ungroomed. When the NK's seized her they forced a sharp wire cord through the soft part of hand between the thumb and forefinger as a restraint. They also loop wire cording under the collar bone. They aren't known for their humanity. What do you want to call Kim Jong Il?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Dawn's been reading her RNC talking points e-mails again:

Marty Kaplan's blog says:

RNC North Korea Talking Points:

1. It's Clinton's fault.

2. Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger, too.

3. Be afraid.

4. Connect the dots: 9/11-Saddam-Kim Jung-il-gay marriage.

5. Iran. Syria. Poland.

6. Stay the course.

7. Tax cuts.

8. George Soros.

9. Hillary Clinton.

10. De-nucular-i-zation.