No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[kaytieeldr]

I'm sorry you're being negatively impacted but you've always been confined to DSAs whereever they were located at which was always available to change.

Not always. I couldn't find a date in a quick search, but I think less than 20 years?

I do think that this ban, with one smoking area outside of the park, is going to become a problem- people aren't going to want to take the time to go have a cigarette, so they are going to sneak a smoke wherever they can, especially as it doesn't look like there will be any consequence for breaking the rule.

That's what bugs me. No consequences. Why have a policy of they're not going to enforce it?

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

No, the monorails didn't "go down". Disney either scheduled mid-day maintenance on them or elected to save money by operating them on a reduced schedule. They didn't inform guests with reservations booked at those resorts along the line. They didn't inform guests booking those resorts after the decision had been made. They didn't lower the cost to the guests. It didn't get mainstream media coverage alerting prospective guests ahead of time.

The way you put that, it sounds like a temporary inconvenience. Mid-day maintenance or operating on a reduced schedule seems to indicate that they are still running, just not as frequently. Sure that's an inconvenience, but completely different than having it down for days or weeks at a time. If they had it down for an extended period for a planned purpose and gave zero notice, that would suck, but sometimes going down mid-day for maintenance might be an unplanned necessity and since it's for a short period wouldn't really necessitate or even be possible to have some huge announcement any more than a ride going down for a couple hours would. Getting rid of in-park DSAs is not a short term problem, so not sure what you're trying to prove here.

 

[kaytieeldr]

In the past people have made all of those arrangements to stay at a monorail resort and arrived to find the monorail not being operational during a significant portion of the day -- an actual paid amenity of the resort they booked,

Disney advertised free tRansportation - not specific forms of transportation. It's not like they shut down the monorail on a whim or to aggravate anybody. The monorail needed work.

Why would you assume someone will be at the grocery store next month to buy some bags? I'm talking about being there already. Plus maybe you brought some already but it wasn't enough so now you need more.

People who shop less than once a month are rare, but exist.

I would expect the DVC properties to sell zipper bags. Heck, since Disney doesn't offer a way to freeze ice packs, it wouldn't be surprising if the resort gift shops started selling them. They could store them behind the counter in the poncho/cigarette drawer.

Would ppl have such enabling attitudes about any other addictions...opiates, alcohol, etc?

Alcohol and (for now) tobacco are legal. Opioids, not so much.

Seems misguided to worry about the money smokers will "throw away" on a vacation they choose not to go on, when they willingly pay thousands of dollars to engage in an activity that will end up killing them.

Something will kill everyone.

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

That's what bugs me. No consequences. Why have a policy of they're not going to enforce it?

I think they will enforce it, even if they start out not cracking down hard, they probably will after time if people continue sneaking it. I know I will have no qualms about reporting rule breakers regarding something like this that affects my kids and my health.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not always. I couldn't find a date in a quick search, but I think less than 20 years?

Apologies.

I should clarify that in accordance to Disney's published guidelines smoking is permitted only in DSAs.

When I said that I was thinking it's been quite a long time where one hasn't been able to just freely smoke in general. Your average smoker I'm betting is well used to being confined to DSAs.

I did find that it was at least in the early '90s that smoking was being limited in the parks.

 

[luvsJack]

There's no refusing to get anything here. I get it. I guess you are refusing to accept is that you were never guaranteed access inside the parks to smoke. You assumed you would but in reality you were always confined to whereever the DSA was located at.

Let's get this straight-where did I say I couldn't understand why anyone is frustrated? Are you confusing me with another poster? I'm fairly certain I actually said having to go outside the parks I'm sure is frustrating. Now I think you might be trying to put words in my mouth and I don't appreciate that.

You have a specific way of touring. Others have their own specific way. I never asked you to explain in detail what your touring plan was. I said you were and still can smoke when you go to Disney. When I mentioned Disney Springs and the resorts its because I was explaining that in the context that Disney still allows one to smoke on their property. I'm certain speaking with you previously you got that point.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned multiple times over, to you actually and to other posters, that yes more time would be involved.

When the DSA was moved from Fantasyland to next to Space Mountain to accommodate Tron construction I'm sure it messed with someone's touring style too.

The location of the DSAs have always been up to Disney. Were you one of the smokers who smoked whereever or did you adhere to DSAs? If you adhered to DSA I'm thinking you were aware they could change at any moment or be removed at any moment. If you cannot accept that you were only permitted to smoke within DSA areas and as such were at the mercy of Disney's decisions to locate the DSAs whever they want to I'm just not sure what else I can say.

FTR I get your frustration but it does not change how smoking at Disney has operated at Disney which is that it was permitted only in DSAs wherever those DSAs are located at at any given time. You can still smoke at Disney in the DSAs wherever those are located at. That has not changed for the present moment.

I don't think anyone ever said that Disney guarantees anything. Never said it, never thought it.

I didn't say you asked for anything but you aren't getting (or are refusing to get) why not being able to smoke IN the park make a difference to a great many people. "OH, well you can smoke at Disney Spring" And? That's not even remotely a trade off. Disney Springs and the resorts aren't why we ever go to Disney. Yes, you can still smoke on property. But you do realize the sheer size of the property we are talking about?

They have always had a DSA next to Space Mountain? They didn't move anything. That got rid of the other one. But regardless, moving one from Fantasy Land to Tomorrow Land is a WHOLE HUGE difference than moving it outside the park. To even compare the two and "messing with someone's plans" is ridiculous. I don't know about other smokers but we have never planned our day around where the DSAs are. But that may be necessary now.

Somehow in a year or two when the thread is about "Disney charging for Fast Pass" we will see completely different posts--which by the way, that's the one thing I wouldn't have an issue with paying extra for.

I am not angry at Disney but the trying to explain ones aggravation about the ban is completely frustrating!

 

[cabanafrau]

The way you put that, it sounds like a temporary inconvenience. Mid-day maintenance or operating on a reduced schedule seems to indicate that they are still running, just not as frequently. Sure that's an inconvenience, but completely different than having it down for days or weeks at a time. If they had it down for an extended period for a planned purpose and gave zero notice, that would suck, but sometimes going down mid-day for maintenance might be an unplanned necessity and since it's for a short period wouldn't really necessitate or even be possible to have some huge announcement any more than a ride going down for a couple hours would. Getting rid of in-park DSAs is not a short term problem, so not sure what you're trying to prove here.

Disney advertised free tRansportation - not specific forms of transportation. It's not like they shut down the monorail on a whim or to aggravate anybody. The monorail needed work.

Those familiar with monorail operation at the time of the shutdown were actually upset that the time wasn't being used to address upkeep or maintenance of the monorails at all. All indications pointed to a budget cut.

DSAs will still be available for all park hours of operation.

 

[LSUmiss]

Disney advertised free tRansportation - not specific forms of transportation. It's not like they shut down the monorail on a whim or to aggravate anybody. The monorail needed work.

People who shop less than once a month are rare, but exist.

I would expect the DVC properties to sell zipper bags. Heck, since Disney doesn't offer a way to freeze ice packs, it wouldn't be surprising if the resort gift shops started selling them. They could store them behind the counter in the poncho/cigarette drawer.

Alcohol and (for now) tobacco are legal. Opioids, not so much.

Something will kill everyone.

Prescription opioids are legal & often the form abused by addicts (at least in the beginning) & alcohol is legal.

 

[Kitty 34]

Good riddance. It's a disgusting, smelly habit that lowers the quality of experience to other people at the park and is a health issue. If you are under 40 and smoke, your education system failed you.

I do wonder that, too when I go over to a local casino and watch 20 some year olds lighting up cigs all the time.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

People who shop less than once a month are rare, but exist.

I would expect the DVC properties to sell zipper bags. Heck, since Disney doesn't offer a way to freeze ice packs, it wouldn't be surprising if the resort gift shops started selling them. They could store them behind the counter in the poncho/cigarette drawer.

Hopefully you were understanding my comments were meant to illustrate a point.

The person who smokes can be greatly inconvenienced at the adjustment in DSA location just like the person who used to be able to fill their cooler up with loose ice can now be greatly inconvencienced at the adjustment in loose ice policy.

People spoke of reduction in value to their overall trip in relation to what they spent. The person who needs to buy bags can also do the same. Maybe we can quibble about just how much time it could take someone to get bags or how much time it can take someone to walk outside the parks and come back in but both now have someone taking time out of their vacation when they didn't used to before. Some people I'm sure chose Disney for the ability to bring outside food in with ease. Now that will weigh in on their choice.

The PP though made the comment that loose ice policy "the ice can be bagged, so it should really impact anyone other than spending a few minutes filling the bags"..but isn't that the issue trying to be hammered home by some people. It's in the eye of the beholder right just how much any change impacts someone.

 

[LongLiveRafiki]

Those familiar with monorail operation at the time of the shutdown were actually upset that the time wasn't being used to address upkeep or maintenance of the monorails at all. All indications pointed to a budget cut.

DSAs will still be available for all park hours of operation.

Okay. Likewise, other transportation was still available instead of the monorail. The point is that changes are made that inconvenience people and people are upset (no matter what the changes are).

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't think anyone ever said that Disney guarantees anything. Never said it, never thought it.

I didn't say you asked for anything but you aren't getting (or are refusing to get) why not being able to smoke IN the park make a difference to a great many people. "OH, well you can smoke at Disney Spring" And? That's not even remotely a trade off. Disney Springs and the resorts aren't why we ever go to Disney. Yes, you can still smoke on property. But you do realize the sheer size of the property we are talking about?

They have always had a DSA next to Space Mountain? They didn't move anything. That got rid of the other one. But regardless, moving one from Fantasy Land to Tomorrow Land is a WHOLE HUGE difference than moving it outside the park. To even compare the two and "messing with someone's plans" is ridiculous. I don't know about other smokers but we have never planned our day around where the DSAs are. But that may be necessary now.

Somehow in a year or two when the thread is about "Disney charging for Fast Pass" we will see completely different posts--which by the way, that's the one thing I wouldn't have an issue with paying extra for.

I am not angry at Disney but the trying to explain ones aggravation about the ban is completely frustrating!

Hold the phone, it's unacceptable to hold Disney to their side of the agreement in providing an amenity a guest pays for. As the customer you pay your money and you -- well after you pay your money, nobody actually cares what you have to say because you should simply accept the "inconveniences" as part of the experience.

ETA Bolding is mine. Gives clarity to my comments.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't think anyone ever said that Disney guarantees anything. Never said it, never thought it.

I didn't say you asked for anything but you aren't getting (or are refusing to get) why not being able to smoke IN the park make a difference to a great many people. "OH, well you can smoke at Disney Spring" And? That's not even remotely a trade off. Disney Springs and the resorts aren't why we ever go to Disney. Yes, you can still smoke on property. But you do realize the sheer size of the property we are talking about?

They have always had a DSA next to Space Mountain? They didn't move anything. That got rid of the other one. But regardless, moving one from Fantasy Land to Tomorrow Land is a WHOLE HUGE difference than moving it outside the park. To even compare the two and "messing with someone's plans" is ridiculous. I don't know about other smokers but we have never planned our day around where the DSAs are. But that may be necessary now.

Somehow in a year or two when the thread is about "Disney charging for Fast Pass" we will see completely different posts--which by the way, that's the one thing I wouldn't have an issue with paying extra for.

I am not angry at Disney but the trying to explain ones aggravation about the ban is completely frustrating!

If you want to you're more than welcome to reread my comments.

You've put so many words in my mouth but I don't have the inclination to correct you with all my quotes. It's exhausting trying to have to go through 29 pages of comments to correct your comments and I don't feel like I should have to.

I think you are trying to interpret the comments to suit your opinion of what I've said. You're not getting the interpretation correctly.

Respectfully I'm done with you on this topic. You want to continue to misrepresent what I'm saying and I'm done with that. Please enjoy the rest of your day

 

[kaytieeldr]

Good riddance. It's a disgusting, smelly habit that lowers the quality of experience to other people at the park and is a health issue. If you are under 40 and smoke, your education system failed you.

Thank you sincerely for the realistic point of view! When I started smoking, way back when cigarettes are were still broadcast, the warnings were really mild "...May be hazardous..."

Guests of monorail resorts could elect to switch to another resort and lower the cost of their trip -- if they were given notice.

Disney is flexible and customer oriented. Guests could have asked to be moved to another resort.

I did find that it was at least in the early '90s that smoking was being limited in the parks.

in 1997, according to The Unofficial Mini-Mickey, "Cigarettes are sold throughout the theme parks, but soking is prohibited in all attractions, waiting areas, and shops."

 

[cabanafrau]

Okay. Likewise, other transportation was still available instead of the monorail. The point is that changes are made that inconvenience people and people are upset (no matter what the changes are).

Actually if I were a customer with a reservation at a monorail resort and gotten wind that Disney was pulling the monorails out of service for a significant portion of the day I'd be inclined to have changed my reservation to a resort where I wasn't paying the premium to have the easy monorail access.

The fact that Disney didn't bother to alert guests with reservations and guests making reservations that they were making this operational change is one of the (many) reasons we've elected not to return to WDW. What a sad state of customer service from the company who used to be able to honestly stake their claim to GUEST service and were respected for basically writing the handbook on how it's done.

 

[DISNEY1975]

Respectfully I'm done with you on this topic. You want to continue to misrepresent what I'm saying and I'm done with that. Please enjoy the rest of your day

Can you be done with me too? Please?

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Disney has reversed the smoking change.

"Due to overwhelming negative response from the public, we have decided rather than move smoking areas outside the park, We will examine better smoking area placement within the park so that non smokers are not affected adversely."

Well there you have it from the mouse's mouth.

 

[cabanafrau]

Disney is flexible and customer oriented. Guests could have asked to be moved to another resort.

Actually many of the guests had no idea until they actually attempted to use the service, only to find it unavailable. Disney didn't do anything to notify their customers ahead of time.

I wouldn't say Disney is customer oriented. But I do agree, visitors are definitely customers and not guests these days.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

in 1997, according to The Unofficial Mini-Mickey, "Cigarettes are sold throughout the theme parks, but soking is prohibited in all attractions, waiting areas, and shops."

I read it was in the early '90s it was being limited. To what extent I didn't see it mentioned.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can you be done with me too? Please?

I was already done with you as I assumed you were done with me I guess you felt the need to specifically quote me rather than just letting it silently go .