No more smoking or vaping in the parks

[Colleen27]

There are so many good lotion sunscreens out there that are far better than spray. The spray goes into the air and is wasted.

I know. But when you're trying to reapply sunscreen to three kids who would rather get on with their Disney-ing, there is something to be said for the speed of the spray. Our on-the-road routine, whether at theme parks or the beach, is lotion before leaving in the morning, spray-and-stick to refresh during the day. It usually isn't that difficult to find an out-of-the-way corner to spray it in without bothering anyone.

 

[DeniseJH]

Ridiculous. My son and I have life threatening allergies to pineapple and Dole Whips don’t do anything provided we don’t consume them. It’s not even close to an asthma attack from smoke which permeates everything.

Just stop it with the straw men.

I'm pretty sure this was sarcasm.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There are so many good lotion sunscreens out there that are far better than spray. The spray goes into the air and is wasted.

My mother-in-law prefers spray sunscreen...but she kinda doesn't look where she's spraying at and they go through it so frequently. We were on their boat one time and I had seconds to get out of her path....it's a boat for pete's sake. I can jump off into the water sure but do I have to to escape your spray lol.

My husband and I use Equate SPF 50 Sport which is actually been tested for the last several years to be one of the best in terms of better actual SPF rating and is very very economical. When we go into the parks we would put sunscreen in one of those travel bottles you get to fill up with your shampoo and conditioner and lotion that are TSA approved. The big container stays in the hotel room and we just refill as needed. I've done that too when we've gone to the lake and I bring out the travel bottle for the boat since it saves space.

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

My mother-in-law prefers spray sunscreen...but she kinda doesn't look where she's spraying at and they go through it so frequently. We were on their boat one time and I had seconds to get out of her path....it's a boat for pete's sake. I can jump off into the water sure but do I have to to escape your spray lol.

My husband and I use Equate SPF 50 Sport which is actually been tested for the last several years to be one of the best in terms of better actual SPF rating and is very very economical. When we go into the parks we would put sunscreen in one of those travel bottles you get to fill up with your shampoo and conditioner and lotion that are TSA approved. The big container stays in the hotel room and we just refill as needed. I've done that too when we've gone to the lake and I bring out the travel bottle for the boat since it saves space.

DH and I have had skin cancer since we both grew up around beaches. I have found I really like Avene mineral sunscreen because it doesn't leave white streaks on my face. I carry sample packets of it in my bag in case we are out for awhile. Yeah, that spray stuff goes everywhere.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

DH and I have had skin cancer since we both grew up around beaches. I have found I really like Avene mineral sunscreen because it doesn't leave white streaks on my face. I carry sample packets of it in my bag in case we are out for awhile. Yeah, that spray stuff goes everywhere.

Sorry to hear about the skin cancer

 

[tzolkin]

Ridiculous. My son and I have life threatening allergies to pineapple and Dole Whips don’t do anything provided we don’t consume them. It’s not even close to an asthma attack from smoke which permeates everything.

Just stop it with the straw men.

That poster was making a joke relating to a previous post. A previous poster said the smoke is horrible and it stinks near the Dole Whip place. But that hasn’t been a smoking area for years.

 

[RamblingMad]

i don’t think this will be a big deal. You’re more likely to smoke if you’re lower income, and you’re more likely to smoke if you live in the south in the US.

Given that Disney is pricing out lower incomes, I think, the actual impact will be small.

I do think that the change will have a bigger impact at WDW than DL. Smoking rates are low in CA, and DL tends to pull in more locals than WDW.

I think, the Disney koolaid is more powerful than tobacco.

 

[Col.W.Deering]

i don’t think this will be a big deal. You’re more likely to smoke if you’re lower income, and you’re more likely to smoke if you live in the south in the US.

Given that Disney is pricing out lower incomes, I think, the actual impact will be small.

I do think that the change will have a bigger impact at WDW than DL. Smoking rates are low in CA, and DL tends to pull in more locals than WDW.

I think, the Disney koolaid is more powerful than tobacco.

You're right about this not impacting short term numbers. The 30 days notice leaves very little notice for most people to change plans.
The summer is booked, and GE will be a big draw for the remainder of the year.

Any actual drops in profits will be delayed until some time next year.
By that time, Disney can state that there were no actual changes to revenue due to the smoking ban, and can suggest any number of reasons such as US economy, or whatever as the cause.

Don't forget this issue is not just about banning smoking. It's about the negative perception by many that Disney Corp. has lost it's way in relation to it's "guests"...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

You're right about this not impacting short term numbers. The 30 days notice leaves very little notice for most people to change plans.
The summer is booked, and GE will be a big draw for the remainder of the year.

Any actual drops in profits will be delayed until some time next year.
By that time, Disney can state that there were no actual changes to revenue due to the smoking ban, and can suggest any number of reasons such as US economy, or whatever as the cause.

Don't forget this issue is not just about banning smoking. It's about the negative perception by many that Disney Corp. has lost it's way in relation to it's "guests"...

I think you're more speaking about attendance numbers because profits is a different matter. You can see a drop in attendance but a net gain in revenue for the parks (most people would actually prefer less people were going lol).

Don't take the DIS to be reflective of the millions and millions of guests that visit the parks each year. Socially speaking smoking is not what it used to be. You have more and more people who opt to not smoke and that number far outweighs the people who do opt to smoke. It's why this can be done, even with grumbling from a subset of the population. That's practically speaking. It's understandable that there are still park guests who smoke or have people in their traveling party that smoke though but I don't honestly think Disney will take much of a hit on this decision.

And as it's been mentioned and illustrated changes rarely come with significant notice...it hasn't deterred enough folks in the past. I see no reason why this specific change will for the future. It sucks that changes aren't given with enough notice though.

I don't think Disney would ever actually state that a specific change in policy has led to xyz. They'll just lump things together in to Parks Revenue or something like that.

And I think we're well past what people used to think of Disney in terms of guests...anyone remember the short-lived tents in MK from a couple of years ago? Yeah Disney kinda tries pretty much all they can think of to get a steady stream of profits including selling access to a tent (not even A/C'd) for around $691 (with tax) with up to 8 people able to be booked for. Of course they did come with charging outlets, a lockable storage trunk, food delivery service, mini-fridge, light snacks, water and sodas, and Mickey ears but that did not include park admission. Not only was in an eye sore it was more for the guest with quite a bit of disposable income and it was quite overt about that lol.

 

[RamblingMad]

You're right about this not impacting short term numbers. The 30 days notice leaves very little notice for most people to change plans.
The summer is booked, and GE will be a big draw for the remainder of the year.

Any actual drops in profits will be delayed until some time next year.
By that time, Disney can state that there were no actual changes to revenue due to the smoking ban, and can suggest any number of reasons such as US economy, or whatever as the cause.

Don't forget this issue is not just about banning smoking. It's about the negative perception by many that Disney Corp. has lost it's way in relation to it's "guests"...

It won’t impact long term either. The smokers in the park are statistically likely to make less money than the non-smokers. Smoking rates just work out that way. Poor people have much higher smoking rates than rich people.

 

[Floridaman999]

The record is skipping.

 

[Cubbiecakes]

One tangible benefit from the ban might be that it drives away APs who smoke. That’s a big Win-Win in my book.

 

[cabanafrau]

It won’t impact long term either. The smokers in the park are statistically likely to make less money than the non-smokers. Smoking rates just work out that way. Poor people have much higher smoking rates than rich people.

How does the fact that many people with wealth attain and keep it via careful expenditures and many people without the means overextend themselves (often repeatedly) on an obsessive desire to visit Disney?

 

[luvsJack]

over promoted and has anti-smoking prejudice?

You must have missed that memo 30 years ago and all the years since that smoking is terrible for your health and for those who are exposed to it.
signed- a 45 year old ex-smoker who has anti-smoking prejudices

I don't think the poster was being serious, but you do realize there is a difference in "smoking is bad for you and those around you" and "you are disgusting because you smoke". The latter is what many make smokers feel they are actually saying. And I think, maybe that's the "prejudices" the poster could have been alluding to.

 

[RamblingMad]

How does the fact that many people with wealth attain and keep it via careful expenditures and many people without the means overextend themselves (often repeatedly) on an obsessive desire to visit Disney?

The median household income in the US is about $60k. If you have a couple smoking two packs a day, they’re spending about 10% of their gross pay on smokes. If they spend the same amount on a Disney trip, I can see them overextending themselves.

Accumulating debt is a whole different problem.

Of course, the states where folks are most likely to smoke also see pretty high bankruptcy rates.

It’s not unreasonable to think that the couple spending $700 a night on a room at Disney either have above median household income or are way overextending themselves.

 

[luvsJack]

Sure must be a whole lot of poor people at Disney and Universal. Every time I go to either one, there are big groups in the DSAs. Like so many at times that we just move on to a different one.

I think its a little funny that on the one hand everyone is saying "NOBODY smokes any more. It won't be an impact because statistically its mostly low income people who smoke and they don't go to Disney" and on the other hand saying "Every time I turn around I am having to walk through smoke".

 

[Hikergirl]

I don't think the poster was being serious, but you do realize there is a difference in "smoking is bad for you and those around you" and "you are disgusting because you smoke". The latter is what many make smokers feel they are actually saying. And I think, maybe that's the "prejudices" the poster could have been alluding to.

I hope that poster wasn't being serious, but on the chance they were I didn't read (the bolded above) that way. Anti-smoking prejudices were mentioned, nothing about smokers.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think its a little funny that on the one hand everyone is saying "NOBODY smokes any more. It won't be an impact because statistically its mostly low income people who smoke and they don't go to Disney" and on the other hand saying "Every time I turn around I am having to walk through smoke".

Not everyone thank you very much

 

[cabanafrau]

I don't think the poster was being serious, but you do realize there is a difference in "smoking is bad for you and those around you" and "you are disgusting because you smoke". The latter is what many make smokers feel they are actually saying. And I think, maybe that's the "prejudices" the poster could have been alluding to.

Setting aside the lack of logic in the idea that someone simply feeling a bias allows them to define a someone else's actions, intent or motive as being prejudicial or that a single executive made this policy change, how would that interpretation of the term prejudice apply in regards to an executive making the decision to remove all DSAs from inside the parks?

 

[Hikergirl]

Sure must be a whole lot of poor people at Disney and Universal. Every time I go to either one, there are big groups in the DSAs. Like so many at times that we just move on to a different one.

I think its a little funny that on the one hand everyone is saying "NOBODY smokes any more. It won't be an impact because statistically its mostly low income people who smoke and they don't go to Disney" and on the other hand saying "Every time I turn around I am having to walk through smoke".

I'm sure posters are using some exaggeration however as long as there are smokers who feel that they don't need to abide by DSAs there will always be non smoking guests who have to deal with walking through smoke. Hopefully after May 1 that will become less of an issue for non-smokers.