No More Lap Babies!

[lakelandgal70]

Honestly I think each parent has to make that decision for themselves. Buy a seat for the baby or keep him/her on your lap. With the prices of air fare so many people can barely afford to fly anyway how will most families be able to buy an extra seat? Personally I prefer to drive. lol

 

[J3nn78]

I was on an under sold flight once where parents had an unbuckled toddler laying across three seats on the back row so she could "sleep". I saw it when I passed to the back to take my own kid to the bathroom.
I pointed out how unsafe it was to the stewardess. She looked at me like I had three heads. Idiot. That kid could have died if we had experienced turbulence, and the kid was big enough to require a paid seat.
The fact that they still allow lap babies boggles my mind.

My mind is "boggled" that you would put your child in such danger by having him/her unbuckle and use the bathroom. They could have died had you experienced turbulence.

I have flown with lap babies a few times. I've always held or worn them in my wrap.

As for worrying about projectile babies, I would be far more concerned about projectile electronics hitting me.

This thread has been quite entertaining.

 

[LSmith]

My mind is "boggled" that you would put your child in such danger by having him/her unbuckle and use the bathroom. They could have died had you experienced turbulence.

I have flown with lap babies a few times. I've always held or worn them in my wrap.

As for worrying about projectile babies, I would be far more concerned about projectile electronics hitting me.

This thread has been quite entertaining.

Maybe we should be advocating for helmets to be worn on airplanes for bathroom breaks. Heck, considering anything could be a flying projectile how about advocating for hemets to be worn at all times while in the air.

After all, we have to do everything in our power to keep our children safe no matter how small the risk. Otherwise, how could we live with ourselves?

 

[LSmith]

You know, statistics are a funny thing.

The type of breast tumor I had was incredibly rare-- occurring in 0.3- 0.5% of all breast tumors. Mine was only the 3rd my oncologist had ever seen.And there's no family history-- nothing to warn that I should have been at risk.

So, statistically speaking, it should never have happened to me at all.

And yet, somehow, it did.

"One in a million" is great odds... unless you happen to be the one.

As to the rest, when my kids were young I was a SAHM-- so no money to fly anywhere. Had there been the money to fly anywhere, I would have gotten them a seat.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the idea of someone's child-- or their laptop-- giving me a concussion. In the event that we do hit turbulence, I'll do everything in my power to keep my family safe-- and if there's anything I can do for your family, I'll do that too. Each of us does what we think is in the best interests of those we love.

But I would pay for a seat. I would count is as a necessary expense, simply part of the trip. I would skip the parkhopper or the character meal, or save for an extra year. But each member of my family would have a seatbelt.

It would enable me to sleep at night.

You do what helps you sleep at night.

But one in a million odds should keep your children out of any moving vehicle and that's just for starters.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Most of the worst and unexpected turbulence occurs without warning so the seatbelt sign doesn't mean much.

If you were in Canada or the US and rigged you baby up with bungie cords in a vehicle and were stopped by the police, you would likely be charged under the highway traffic act. Completely unsafe!

It appears you missed they were riding in a bus. No seat belts required or available. She did what she could to secure the car seat on the bus.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

It appears you missed they were riding in a bus. No seat belts required or available. She did what she could to secure the car seat on the bus.

But with no seat belts, there are no safe or legal ways to attach the car seat.

 

[kaytieeldr]

There was another incident of severe turbulence overnight, with multiple passengers and crew hospitalized.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/travel/cathay-turbulence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Okay, so, between the two incidents this week eight passengers were injured due to flight turbulence. It's only February and we're almost up to the average ten. Everybody's safe tge rest of the year. Well, except those two passengers yet to fly...

 

[kaytieeldr]

But with no seat belts, there are no safe or legal ways to attach the car seat.

That poster used common sense. Instead of holding the child, in orout of the carseat, in a bus she used equipment she had on hand to secure the car seat as much as possible - while still being able to access the child readily.

 

[lauradis]

yes that's me/. Mommy dearest!! Most wanted on the child protection services hit list around the country.

gimme a break,
Nothing like a fresh case of "don't know the person so over exaggerate" in the morning"

So dis like,

first of all, when my kids were little, no one had bike helmets, or very few people did. Yes we totally didn't hear about head injuries 24/7 like we do know. Nothing to brag about, it is what it is.

I'm sure it does seem very sad to you. but since you don't know me, it seems sad to me that you make HUGE assumptions based on one post.

"no wire hangers"

 

[Aliceacc]

But one in a million odds should keep your children out of any moving vehicle and that's just for starters.

OK, so one in a hundred million? One in a google? Choose the odds you want.

My point is that long odds are great--- unless you're "the one." Then it's quite a different matter.

So each of us decides our own risk tolerance based on the perceived risk and the perceived odds. For me, this particular risk is too high. My child would be in a seat of his or her own. Your risk tolerance is apparently different.

 

[robinb]

Okay, so, between the two incidents this week eight passengers were injured due to flight turbulence. It's only February and we're almost up to the average ten. Everybody's safe tge rest of the year. Well, except those two passengers yet to fly...

10? The average number of people who are injured by turbulence is TEN?

According to the FAA press release last year (http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=13394):

According to the forecast, the total number of people flying commercially on U.S. airlines will increase by 0.2 percent to 732 million in 2012, then to 746 million in 2013, and then increase more rapidly to 1.2 billion in 2032. The aviation system is expected to reach one billion passengers per year in 2024.

So that's 10 people injured in approximately 800 million?

 

[FireDancer]

OK, so one in a hundred million? One in a google? Choose the odds you want.

My point is that long odds are great--- unless you're "the one." Then it's quite a different matter.

So each of us decides our own risk tolerance based on the perceived risk and the perceived odds. For me, this particular risk is too high. My child would be in a seat of his or her own. Your risk tolerance is apparently different.

Off topic and just an FYI:

Google is a an internet product and service company. Googol is a number. They are not spelled the same nor are they interchangeable.

 

[bettymae1121]

I wonder if all the people who buy seats for their under 2 yo also rent a car at Disney (to avoid using DME and the other buses that don't have seat belts).

I know I do.

 

[joviroxx]

Its a wonder my generation survived with all these dangers.....

BTW, can you strap them in on the monorail?

 

[Aliceacc]

Off topic and just an FYI:

Google is a an internet product and service company. Googol is a number. They are not spelled the same nor are they interchangeable.

Thanks so much for the spelling correction.

I would have thought that the context made it clear that I was referring to a googol.

But my point is the same with or without that particular number-- feel free to substitute in the large number of your choice.

 

[smitch425]

My mind is "boggled" that you would put your child in such danger by having him/her unbuckle and use the bathroom. They could have died had you experienced turbulence.

I have flown with lap babies a few times. I've always held or worn them in my wrap.

As for worrying about projectile babies, I would be far more concerned about projectile electronics hitting me.

This thread has been quite entertaining.

Maybe we should be advocating for helmets to be worn on airplanes for bathroom breaks. Heck, considering anything could be a flying projectile how about advocating for hemets to be worn at all times while in the air.

After all, we have to do everything in our power to keep our children safe no matter how small the risk. Otherwise, how could we live with ourselves?

Seriously?

A sleeping child with a parent nearby vs. an awake child with a parent with them is apples to oranges. When you are asleep, your body is limp and can be tossed around several times before you even realize what is happening. Someone who is awake can stabilize themselves much faster.

Those two situations are not even remotely the same thing.

 

[LSmith]

Its a wonder my generation survived with all these dangers.....

BTW, can you strap them in on the monorail?

As long as you travel with bungee cords, yes.

 

[kidshop]

As long as you travel with bungee cords, yes.

No one wears seat belts on the monorail, or on the metro. No one. ( the bus issue is not one I would put a baby on if I had control over it. Driving on the streets/highways means a seat belt to me. Our school buses have belts now). I am not opposed if they want to add seat belts however.

Everyone wears seat belts in a car. Everyone and everything is secured on a plane, except for babies. I am not ok with that, not to mention it makes no sense.

What do you all do when the kid turns 2 and you have to pay? Do you then not fly anymore b/c of the expense?

 

[Mkrop]

You know, statistics are a funny thing.

The type of breast tumor I had was incredibly rare-- occurring in 0.3- 0.5% of all breast tumors. Mine was only the 3rd my oncologist had ever seen.And there's no family history-- nothing to warn that I should have been at risk.

So, statistically speaking, it should never have happened to me at all.

And yet, somehow, it did.

"One in a million" is great odds... unless you happen to be the one.

As to the rest, when my kids were young I was a SAHM-- so no money to fly anywhere. Had there been the money to fly anywhere, I would have gotten them a seat.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the idea of someone's child-- or their laptop-- giving me a concussion. In the event that we do hit turbulence, I'll do everything in my power to keep my family safe-- and if there's anything I can do for your family, I'll do that too. Each of us does what we think is in the best interests of those we love.

But I would pay for a seat. I would count is as a necessary expense, simply part of the trip. I would skip the parkhopper or the character meal, or save for an extra year. But each member of my family would have a seatbelt.

It would enable me to sleep at night.

You do what helps you sleep at night.

 

[eliza61]

You know, statistics are a funny thing.

The type of breast tumor I had was incredibly rare-- occurring in 0.3- 0.5% of all breast tumors. Mine was only the 3rd my oncologist had ever seen.And there's no family history-- nothing to warn that I should have been at risk.

So, statistically speaking, it should never have happened to me at all.

And yet, somehow, it did.

"One in a million" is great odds... unless you happen to be the one.

As to the rest, when my kids were young I was a SAHM-- so no money to fly anywhere. Had there been the money to fly anywhere, I would have gotten them a seat.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the idea of someone's child-- or their laptop-- giving me a concussion. In the event that we do hit turbulence, I'll do everything in my power to keep my family safe-- and if there's anything I can do for your family, I'll do that too. Each of us does what we think is in the best interests of those we love.

But I would pay for a seat. I would count is as a necessary expense, simply part of the trip. I would skip the parkhopper or the character meal, or save for an extra year. But each member of my family would have a seatbelt.

It would enable me to sleep at night.

You do what helps you sleep at night.

But here's the difference AliceCC, do you live your life in fear of those statistics?

Like you my dh was diagnosed with a rare form of luekema. Never should have happen. unlike you he did not survive. So now do I live my life in constant fear that I too will come down with cancer? Nope, have not so much as changed my diet. Do I try to eat healthy? Yes, do I follow every warning and scare tatic that seems to be on the evening news. Nope.

this week it's red meat, next week it's sugar, now it's don't fly with a lap baby.

I read and try to make an informed decision. I would have no problems keeping my newborn on my lap. One projectile baby out of 50 gazzilion flights is nothing more than mass hysteria IMO.