No more 'cuts in line' for many disabled Knott's guests

[hentob]

I think this is the main problem. There's a saying that goes "you get more flies with honey"

Throughout this thread you have bashed able bodied people because they are able bodied and made the comment that we need to be run down and made quads so we can appreciate the situation.

I can understand being passionate about a cause but if you have to resort to the tactics that you employed in this thread maybe taking a break would be a good thing.

Ya know, Irishbosox--If I agree with you one more time, I think I am going to

 

[legalsea]

Mr. Authority Figure entering from right:

"You are ALL victims!"

Exits to left.

Everyone feel better?

 

[SereneOne]

I think this is the main problem. There's a saying that goes "you get more flies with honey"

Throughout this thread you have bashed able bodied people because they are able bodied and made the comment that we need to be run down and made quads so we can appreciate the situation.

I can understand being passionate about a cause but if you have to resort to the tactics that you employed in this thread maybe taking a break would be a good thing.

I did not employ any tactics that was not already employed thank you very much and while you are entitled to your opinion I disagree.

Prejudice is prejudice no matter how you try to angle it and I do not need a "break" from fighting it, because you and a few others fill the need to misinterpret what i have posted. There are plenty others that agree.

It has been stated many times that it gives EQUAL access not privileged benefits.

 

[Heidict]

MAYBE....that is not WISHING, check your dictionary.

To even think it, is sad. I would not want anyone, not even an enemy, to have something like that happen to them. The thought would never even cross my mind. To suggest and say MAYBE.......wow. How could you even think it? That is what I don't understand.

 

[luvsJack]

I'm there to have a good time, not worry about what other people are doing. Why do so many of you waste your vacation worrying if the party of 10 with an ECV cut in line for a bus or a ride?
Do I want people abusing the system? No, of course not. But if it happens, it happens and I'm not going to waste my precious vacation time getting upset about it. Do I wonder if the person I see in the ECV really needs it or is faking? Hell no! It's none of my damn business. If they need it, more power to them, if not, well all I have to say is "karma, baby". If they're cheating they'll get what the deserve at some point or another.

So, here's to being oblivious!

exactly the way I feel! I just don't get being in Disney and giving a rat's patooey what anyone else is doing.

As for people cheating the system: there is no system in place anywhere that someone, somewhere will not try ot cheat. It happens. You can not punish the many for what the few are doing. There just isn't an acceptable system that will weed out all the abusers without restricting the ones who really need it.

 

[hentob]

I am not in the backtracking stage dear, I suggest you go back to the other board and stop trying to be a hero for them….

Huh?

Saying aint is not twisting what someone says to fit someone's agenda

You were referring somebody to the dictionary. I’m just sayin’

Really. It will be good for you. Just chill out This is just a message board. We are all sharing our opinions. You are just so angry when you post. Wishing folks get hit by a bus so that they (maybe) become quads means you have entered a different mindset than the rest of us posting

 

[Biscuitsmom31]

I would have thought that ADA (or something) would make car rental companies charge the same for a modified van as they do for a regular van. Wouldn't that fall under the "ensuring that people with disabilities can do what those without disabilities can" rule? A hotel cannot charge more for an HA room than they would for the same room were it not HA, can they?

It wouldn't help here I know (it would still not fit your family), I was just curious.

Good question. I am not certain (and I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong ) but I think the way the big car rental companies get around that by not renting modified vehicles. You have to go to a special place that rents only modified vehicles to get one.

 

[SereneOne]

To even think it, is sad. I would not want anyone, not even an enemy, to have something like that happen to them. The thought would never even cross my mind. To suggest and say MAYBE.......wow. How could you even think it? That is what I don't understand.

Have you ever had a pregnant friend that had an insensitive husband and said that maybe if he spent a day in a pregnant woman's shoes he would be more compassionate?

I think that maybe if people spent the day being a quad or having cp or down syndrome or let us expand it...if a white person spent a day in a black person's life or a rich person in a very poor person's life....and so on, they would be more compassionate. I could have, should have worded it better and I apologize for that, but that is what I meant when I stated that.

Thanks for asking me what I meant and allowing me to clarify.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

Ya know, Irishbosox--If I agree with you one more time, I think I am going to

I think the devil felt a chill!!

Stop telling me what I am feeling, it is not a nerve it is exasperation that healthy bodied people can be so thoughtless and selfish. I have been to Disney MANY TIMES and I have never encountered this phenomena of dozens of people tagging along. I am sure it happens in extreme cases, anything is possible and it angers me when people take advantage like that, however, you do not punish a whole class of people for what a select few do. I read the article and it stated an issue with people renting wheelchairs and taking advantage NOT TRULY DISABLED people.

Clearly selfish thoughtless able bodied people complained and maybe they should be hit by a bus and made quads and then think about what a privilege it is for people to get an alternate line. Disney also has made many rides to where one can wait in line with a wheelchair and several of the alternate wait lines where just as long if not longer than the original, we waited in them, we know.

This is what you posted.

I did not employ any tactics that was not already employed thank you very much and while you are entitled to your opinion I disagree.

Prejudice is prejudice no matter how you try to angle it and I do not need a "break" from fighting it, because you and a few others fill the need to misinterpret what i have posted. There are plenty others that agree.

It has been stated many times that it gives EQUAL access not privileged benefits.

Not one person on this thread other than yourself felt it necessary to sink to such a low.
There is little room for your post to be misinterpreted,it was very clear.


While I agree with you that truly deserving people should be able to benefit from a program I also agree with others that say the abuse needs to be limited.

 

[SereneOne]

Huh?



You were referring somebody to the dictionary. I’m just sayin’

Really. It will be good for you. Just chill out This is just a message board. We are all sharing our opinions. You are just so angry when you post. Wishing folks get hit by a bus so that they (maybe) become quads means you have entered a different mindset than the rest of us posting

Again, telling me what I am feeling. I am not angry, I am SHOCKED that people sit there and examine handicapped people and begrudge them fair and equal access and I imagine mumble to themselves about the special needs grand privileges instead of enjoying their vacations.

And again, get it right, I never said WISH, so it is your own thoughts, not mine.

 

[cheerful chickadee]

wow this thread has gotten out of control, 4, 3, 2, 1

My opinion: it sounds like another case of one apple spoiling the bunch. The cheaters have tainted it for the people who really need it. i don't mind it for those who need it and it's never affected me at WDW anyways. The only place I did notice it was at Universal where a group of 15 or so people with one elderly man in a wheelchair went ahead of everyone else. It's not the end of the world though, I'm on vacation so I try to let things go. There were A LOT of angry people in the regular line after it went down though.

 

[hentob]

Have you ever had a pregnant friend that had an insensitive husband and said that maybe if he spent a day in a pregnant woman's shoes he would be more compassionate?

Of course. That is just the same as wishing that a person get hit by a bus and become a "quad"

 

[Heidict]

Have you ever had a pregnant friend that had an insensitive husband and said that maybe if he spent a day in a pregnant woman's shoes he would be more compassionate?

I think that maybe if people spent the day being a quad or having cp or down syndrome or let us expand it...if a white person spent a day in a black person's life or a rich person in a very poor person's life....and so on, they would be more compassionate. I could have, should have worded it better and I apologize for that, but that is what I meant when I stated that.

Thanks for asking me what I meant and allowing me to clarify.

Thank you for that explanation. I can understand much better now where you are coming from and what you meant from it. It came off harsh and it suprised me.

BTW, I'm so sorry to hear of everything that you are going through with your daughter. I have read your posts quite often in the past and it breaks my heart to hear all that she has to go through. I'm glad that she is able to enjoy herself at Disney.

FTR, I don't think they should be changing anything. There will always be people who find a way to abuse the system regardless of what checks and balances are in place. It works good now, why mess with a good thing?

 

[luvsJack]

I just had to say one more thing. You all keep telling SereneOne that she is angry. Can you not see why? She sees her beautiful little girl struggle through life everyday. She knows that her wonderful child may not ever see some of the joys that our able bodied children will see. And now she is reading all of you resenting what you all preseve to be "special treatement" to disabled people at Disney. You know what, all of you resenting the special accomodations made for the disabled: put your big boy/girl pants on and deal with it. If one person takes advantage of a situation that makes it possible for 10 other children with disablities to see Mickey: then so be it. That one person is not worth the time it takes to worry about. My goodness, doesn't anyone just enjoy their time at wdw anymore?

 

[hentob]

Again, telling me what I am feeling. I am not angry, I am SHOCKED that people sit there and examine handicapped people and begrudge them fair and equal access ...

Who is doing this? I really want to know if we are reading the same thread?

 

[SereneOne]

I think the devil felt a chill!!



This is what you posted.



Not one person on this thread other than yourself felt it necessary to sink to such a low.
There is little room for your post to be misinterpreted,it was very clear.


While I agree with you that truly deserving people should be able to benefit from a program I also agree with others that say the abuse needs to be limited.

Again, you are twisting to fit your agenda, I did not say I WISHED it on anyone, I know what I wrote and I know what I meant, there obviously was room for misinterpretation or you would not be misinterpreting it, now would you.

 

[waltfan1957]

I think most people are fine with the wheelchair riders boarding first. It makes complete sense logistically. Federal law doesn't dictate that everyone with that person gets to board first and that's where the problem lies at WDW. Have one person wait with the person in the wheelchair in case they need assistance, and have the rest of the party get in the queue with everyone who is waiting. Everyone is happy and we all get to go to WDW.

say we are waiting at the bus stop before you, the bus pulls up but no spaces for p/c's ecv's, but space for 5/6 other people should you not wait till we get boarded on the next bus or even the one after that, no, but do we complain

 

[Ride Junkie]

I don’t think most people here are begrudging special needs people. They are fed up with the lowlifes who fake it to try to get to the front of the line (apparently they think this still works). Just last week at DL, I saw a group of kids swapping the wheelchair & leg brace to give someone else a turn. I don’t know if that worked to their advantage, but how sad that people still try to abuse the system.

Bottom line: I think accommodations should be given to people who truly need them. That’s it.

 

[SereneOne]

Thank you for that explanation. I can understand much better now where you are coming from and what you meant from it. It came off harsh and it suprised me.

BTW, I'm so sorry to hear of everything that you are going through with your daughter. I have read your posts quite often in the past and it breaks my heart to hear all that she has to go through. I'm glad that she is able to enjoy herself at Disney.

FTR, I don't think they should be changing anything. There will always be people who find a way to abuse the system regardless of what checks and balances are in place. It works good now, why mess with a good thing?

Thank you again for asking me instead of assuming.

My daughter has it a lot easier than many special needs children. Her challenges are repairable. She is really smart and capable and little by little her challenges are being met and overcome. Even before I had a special needs child, I have volunteered with Special Olympics and I had wanted to work with terminally ill children, to assist in bettering the qualities of their lives and their parents and other loved ones. I had a really bad personal experience myself, my daughter is an identical twin and her sister died shortly after birth, but we knew ahead of time, picking out her burial plot and coffin, while she moved within me, it was the most horrible thing I have ever experienced in my life, ever will. I can't work with terminally ill anymore, I can't handle losing them. For them or anyone with challenges (not terminal) to have moments of happiness where they get to forget their limitations...that is so precious. It just astounds me that people begrudge them that.

 

[waltfan1957]

A little harsh don't ya think! Calm down .

Honestly, what would be the harm in doing something like this... play along here. You know those cards that the ride attendentants periodically give out to determine how long the wait is. Why not give something like that to a physically challenged party (1, 2, 10, 20 as many are in the party since it's irrelevant) and send them to a standby waiting area, shaded with seats, maybe even air conditioned . The next party that gets in line gets another special pass signifying the ride attendant to call upon the other waiting party. Nobody feels "cheated" or treated specially in this way.

I'm sure somebody who was paid to come up with these ideas could make a working system based on something like that. It seems to me the issue here is not wanting to split up your party to adhere to a theme park policy which is attempting to make the waiting game a little more fair.

great idea do this on kilimanjo safaris then when the person with the card gets to the front no one else can board we have waited 30/40 minutes when its walk on