News Round Up

[rteetz]

Anaheim better agree. Imagine all the new stuff they could build with 1 billion. None of the parks require a big overhaul anymore, so even after that new parking structure and such, a lot of money should still be available.

It's interesting that Disney is resisting to build a third gate, but they still seem confident about expanding the resort without getting rid of the ''beloved attractions'' We'll have to see if they announce something at D23.

I would imagine the small marvel land rumored for DCA would be part of this.

 

[loveshak22]

There's still something uncomfortable about taking kids into a Michael Jackson attraction.

I'm with you on this one!!

 

[rteetz]

So here's what I've picked up on based on the OC register article and people on wdwmagic. Disney just "approved a 1 billion plus dollar budget" for Anaheim to keep make sure they don't have a ticket tax. They told Anaheim they would invest that money between 2017-24. With out a doubt Disney would invest a billion or more for Disneyland in seven years. So this budget that was just approved is the WDW budget but DL will get things eventually as well just so they can keep the tax away in Anaheim.

 

[rteetz]

Flame tree BBQ will reopen June 30th.

http://www.orlandoparksnews.com/2015/06/flame-tree-barbecue-reopens-june-30-at.html

 

[rteetz]

Aerial footage from characters in flight at DTD

 

[nkosiek]

So here's what I've picked up on based on the OC register article and people on wdwmagic. Disney just "approved a 1 billion plus dollar budget" for Anaheim to keep make sure they don't have a ticket tax. They told Anaheim they would invest that money between 2017-24. With out a doubt Disney would invest a billion or more for Disneyland in seven years. So this budget that was just approved is the WDW budget but DL will get things eventually as well just so they can keep the tax away in Anaheim.

There's no "win" for Anaheim in the situation though. Let's all be honest with one another, will Disney close DLR if there is an entertainment tax? No. Will Disney not invest in that park over 7 years? No. Is the billion a bit more than they would? Yes, but is that reason for a governmental organization to forgo the revenue stream? No. I hope Anaheim tells them to go pound sand.

 

[luisov]

There's no "win" for Anaheim in the situation though. Let's all be honest with one another, will Disney close DLR if there is an entertainment tax? No. Will Disney not invest in that park over 7 years? No. Is the billion a bit more than they would? Yes, but is that reason for a governmental organization to forgo the revenue stream? No. I hope Anaheim tells them to go pound sand.

Anaheim still benefits from Disney spending money on new infrastructure and improving the park surroundings though. I do see your point, but in reality Disney keeps the money flowing and better services coming at Anaheim. It's a win win situation, though it's true that Disney is the ultimate beneficiary.

 

[sheetz]

Anaheim wouldn't get the ticket taxes but they'd benefit from an increase in hotel and sales taxes as a result of an expanded resort.

 

[nkosiek]

Anaheim wouldn't get the ticket taxes but they'd benefit from an increase in hotel and sales taxes as a result of an expanded resort.

Really? Say they build a 2,000 room hotel (that's double Disneyland Hotel...and where???). Sure they get hotel and sales taxes from those 2,000 rooms, but with everyone acknowledging that DLR is a local/day-trippers park, surely an entertainment tax paid by more people than just those 2,000 rooms would provide more money for Anaheim. Stop the corporate welfare.

 

[maltdizzy]

Really? Say they build a 2,000 room hotel (that's double Disneyland Hotel...and where???). Sure they get hotel and sales taxes from those 2,000 rooms, but with everyone acknowledging that DLR is a local/day-trippers park, surely an entertainment tax paid by more people than just those 2,000 rooms would provide more money for Anaheim. Stop the corporate welfare.

By investing $1+B and finally making DCA a full-day park, Disney increased long-stay guests. All of which pay 18% tax on their hotel rooms, regardless of owned by Disney or not. Plus, added 5,000 local jobs. Granted that $1B is roughly what Disney slahed from the budget when they built DCA, which is why they are stuck with some corner cutting they can't get past (Grizzly Peak was redesigned from having a train/coast inside to not having a useful interior at all).

Obviously, the idea is an increased DLR will result in similar. We'll see. I haven't seen Anaheim's books to see what they are most in need of. Disney pays what in property tax thanks to Prop 13...less than a nickel a sq/ft?

 

[rteetz]

There's no "win" for Anaheim in the situation though. Let's all be honest with one another, will Disney close DLR if there is an entertainment tax? No. Will Disney not invest in that park over 7 years? No. Is the billion a bit more than they would? Yes, but is that reason for a governmental organization to forgo the revenue stream? No. I hope Anaheim tells them to go pound sand.

I actually don't think a billion is more than they would invest. They gave them a seven year span. Disneyland is supposed to be getting Star Wars and marvel, new entertainment throughout those years and several other things can all add up to a billion dollars. Also Anaheim would win with more jobs and money added to the economy. This year added people are coming to disneyland because of the 60th. Add Star Wars and marvel and more jobs are created and more people come to see those attractions.

 

[rteetz]

Really? Say they build a 2,000 room hotel (that's double Disneyland Hotel...and where???). Sure they get hotel and sales taxes from those 2,000 rooms, but with everyone acknowledging that DLR is a local/day-trippers park, surely an entertainment tax paid by more people than just those 2,000 rooms would provide more money for Anaheim. Stop the corporate welfare.

Disney did just buy a hotel across the street.

 

[rteetz]

By investing $1+B and finally making DCA a full-day park, Disney increased long-stay guests. All of which pay 18% tax on their hotel rooms, regardless of owned by Disney or not. Plus, added 5,000 local jobs. Granted that $1B is roughly what Disney slahed from the budget when they built DCA, which is why they are stuck with some corner cutting they can't get past (Grizzly Peak was redesigned from having a train/coast inside to not having a useful interior at all).

Obviously, the idea is an increased DLR will result in similar. We'll see. I haven't seen Anaheim's books to see what they are most in need of. Disney pays what in property tax thanks to Prop 13...less than a nickel a sq/ft?

There has been a lot of talk over the last year about the need for transportation improvements.

 

[rteetz]

Selfie stick ban is coming June 30th

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...ban-at-walt-disney-world-to-begin-june-30.htm

 

[rteetz]

New D-Zone relaxation area coming to innoventions west

http://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions...relaxation-area-coming-to-epcot-next-week.htm

 

[skier_pete]

So here's what I've picked up on based on the OC register article and people on wdwmagic. Disney just "approved a 1 billion plus dollar budget" for Anaheim to keep make sure they don't have a ticket tax. They told Anaheim they would invest that money between 2017-24. With out a doubt Disney would invest a billion or more for Disneyland in seven years. So this budget that was just approved is the WDW budget but DL will get things eventually as well just so they can keep the tax away in Anaheim.

2017 - 2024 is actually EIGHT years. Spending a billion dollars across the whole resort (and if you read carefully, a portion of that is improved parking, which is clearly needed, but not exactly exciting for visitors) over the next eight years is NOT a big spend. That's $125 million a year on average, or about 4 new rides total. As you said elsewhere, it would include the Marvel "land" (which sounds like glorified M&G area) and also Star Wars in DL.

On the bright side - there's no reason to think this will override spending at WDW.

 

[sheetz]

Really? Say they build a 2,000 room hotel (that's double Disneyland Hotel...and where???). Sure they get hotel and sales taxes from those 2,000 rooms, but with everyone acknowledging that DLR is a local/day-trippers park, surely an entertainment tax paid by more people than just those 2,000 rooms would provide more money for Anaheim. Stop the corporate welfare.

Disney isn't the only hotel operator in Anaheim; taxes are collected from all the hotels in the area. After Cars Land opened there was a massive jump in area hotel rates, in some cases nearly doubling, with a corresponding increase in city tax revenues.

 

[sheetz]

2017 - 2024 is actually EIGHT years. Spending a billion dollars across the whole resort (and if you read carefully, a portion of that is improved parking, which is clearly needed, but not exactly exciting for visitors) over the next eight years is NOT a big spend. That's $125 million a year on average, or about 4 new rides total. As you said elsewhere, it would include the Marvel "land" (which sounds like glorified M&G area) and also Star Wars in DL.

The article also says Disney would invest another $500 million if the ticket tax were to be deferred an additional 15 years, bringing the total investment up to $1.5billion.

 

[rteetz]

The article also says Disney would invest another $500 million if the ticket tax were to be deferred an additional 15 years, bringing the total investment up to $1.5billion.

That's still not a lot of money over that amount of time tho. Disney would likely invest that much no matter what over that time frame.

 

[sheetz]

That's still not a lot of money over that amount of time tho. Disney would likely invest that much no matter what over that time frame.

You're right. It's all a political show to pretend like Anaheim is getting something they wouldn't have otherwise received. Anaheim still benefits from the expansion, just not as much as they would have with the ticket tax.