New words added 2/27

[OneLittleSpark]

aren't they having an event with the imagineers? Something in VMK

Ooooooooooooooooh!!! I hope you're right!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Belle1997]

Well I saw song of the south. It is a period piece. Can not change the way it was in the US. Like sweeping a dirty secret under the rug. But you know I always liked the film as the little boy was not racist and really loved Uncle Remus.

It was the voice of Uncle Remus that the little boy awoke to. Love not race was his healing.


Since growing up in Canada I was not aware of the civil rights movement or the deep rasism of the south. Never understood this and still today do not understand it. Maybe because I never grew up with this I see the film totally different.


I think this point gets lost because of the slavery in this film. I think it should be re-release to show kids how bad things where for both cultures to learn. So that it is never repeated.

 

[Imagineer_Tech]

Imagineer!!!! YAY!!! My Future Job!!! ( I hope )

 

[Horse]

Snack and snacks are my favorite new words since I always have to get a snack while playing VMK. Now I can finally say it!

 

[KrazyPete]

I think this point gets lost because of the slavery in this film. I think it should be re-release to show kids how bad things where for both cultures to learn. So that it is never repeated.

It's probably a subject for another thread. I know this stuff can be controversial. But isn't the movie set in the post civil war south? So while the movie may present a difficult period in an idealistic way, it's not about slavery at all.

I grew up in the Southern United States and I interpreted the movie the same way you did. I'm always interested in hearing the impressions of people who have actually seen it.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

"Brer"

Looks like Song of the South month is coming!

Only if they'd release it to DVD!

I'm not holding my breath for that one.

The new Disney movie, College Road Trip, comes out next month. I wonder if the theme has something to do with that.

Very possible!

I really do not think that is possible lol
The movie would be 30 seconds long with no sound

Exactly. But it should still be released as it's a historical document. If people would ever learn to put things in the context of timeframe.

This opinion comes from having seen the film?

I have seen it. And I would pretty much agree with doc's assessment. personally, I wasn't offended by the film. But then again, I understand the time period it was made in and the time period it takes place. I can look beyond that and see an enjoyable and award winning film.

Well I saw song of the south. It is a period piece. Can not change the way it was in the US. Like sweeping a dirty secret under the rug. But you know I always liked the film as the little boy was not racist and really loved Uncle Remus.

It was the voice of Uncle Remus that the little boy awoke to. Love not race was his healing.


Since growing up in Canada I was not aware of the civil rights movement or the deep rasism of the south. Never understood this and still today do not understand it. Maybe because I never grew up with this I see the film totally different.

I think this point gets lost because of the slavery in this film. I think it should be re-release to show kids how bad things where for both cultures to learn. So that it is never repeated.

Part of the problem is that it depicts the black people as being happy-go-lucky.

Even James Baskett (Uncle Remus) was extremely proud to have done this movie and loved Walt. He was also one of Walt's favorite actors. Which many people overlook just so they can say that Walt was racist.

It's probably a subject for another thread. I know this stuff can be controversial. But isn't the movie set in the post civil war south? So while the movie may present a difficult period in an idealistic way, it's not about slavery at all.

I grew up in the Southern United States and I interpreted the movie the same way you did. I'm always interested in hearing the impressions of people who have actually seen it.

Another part of the problem is that it's still debated about exactly when it takes place. Either before the Civil War or afterwards.
It has been clearly stated that it takes place during Reconstruction.
During Reconstruction, there were public schools opened to teach former slaves to read and write. There were even laws made to to provide equal rights to former slaves, including the right to vote. There also were even some former slaves elected to various offices.
This was a time where many former slaves were very happy and would fit with the film.

 

[Evoulie]

Isn't there a Meet the VMK Imagineers thing in the VMK Gallery this Thursday and Friday?

Ev

 

[Pinkkittengirl]

Yay!! Now I don't have to type "Briar Rabbit" and "Briar Fox" and "Briar Bear" anymore!!

 

[mtlhddoc2]

This opinion comes from having seen the film?

I own the film.
I remembered it fonly from my childhood, so I procured a bootleg copy.

after watching it again, my children will never have the opportunity to watch it. It is deeply laden with innuendo and racist dogma from the time period. It would not, and does not, translate well into the tolerant society of the day.

 

[mikeyandscoobyx2]

i know how they find out the words. but i dont know if its okay to post how.
so i wont

 

[TikiIslander]

[Silly Question... How do you always find out what new words are out??

The dictionary is part of the set of files your computer downloads when you play vmk. You can probably find the links if you know where to check and check them out for yourself, OR do what I do: read the boards and wait If there's something new in the list of items or the dictionary is different- they'll rush to post and let everyone know!

 

[ElectricLime]

i know how they find out the words. but i dont know if its okay to post how.
so i wont

I posted the instructions here two and a half years ago. But for those of you who don't feel like digging up that link, here it is:

dictionary_187

New words are generally added at the bottom of the list. The capital letters after each word are codes to tell VMK what variations of the base word are allowed.

 

[CelebrationNM]

Hey ElectricLime/neighbor,
Thanks for the info...what an interesting resource. Appreciate it,
nm

 

[Belle1997]

I own the film.
I remembered it fonly from my childhood, so I procured a bootleg copy.

after watching it again, my children will never have the opportunity to watch it. It is deeply laden with innuendo and racist dogma from the time period. It would not, and does not, translate well into the tolerant society of the day.

I am sure it is been a while since a watch it but not knowing the meaning of those words I never saw that. I had no idea what tar baby meant until someone explained it to me. And I vaguely remember what it means. Only that is was not nice. So you see many people do not see the dogma or inuendo because we did not grow up with that.

But I can understand that people who know what it means would be very controversial. So I guess it will never be release.

But then again Disney did release the WWII cartoons they made and wow there is some not nice things in there and Black and White Mickey has some very inappropriate cartoons that are bad sterotypes.

I think no matter what we do when we go back in time to most movies there is issues with most of them from Native Indians, how females were treated, other cultural misunderstanding to constant smoking of characters in movies etc. Even today I am sure the movies we watch will be scrunitized down the road too.

But that is society we are forever changing.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

so true Belle,

I got up one Sunday morning and my middle son was already up, watching the Three Stooges on TBS or something, he thought it was hilarious. And I saw one of the most derogatory sketches towards Native Americans I had ever seen in my life. (including some of those really bad Heckle and Jeckel cartoons) As funny as it may have been, it is no longer allowed in my house. I put a block on TBS for that reason. I live in a state that has a very large Native population and I would never, ever, want my kids to think of them in that manner, but I know they would subconsciously remember those sketches.

As far as the term "tar baby" - it is still used in a derogatory manner in some parts of the country, especially down south, where the term originated.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

so true Belle,

I got up one Sunday morning and my middle son was already up, watching the Three Stooges on TBS or something, he thought it was hilarious. And I saw one of the most derogatory sketches towards Native Americans I had ever seen in my life. (including some of those really bad Heckle and Jeckel cartoons) As funny as it may have been, it is no longer allowed in my house. I put a block on TBS for that reason. I live in a state that has a very large Native population and I would never, ever, want my kids to think of them in that manner, but I know they would subconsciously remember those sketches.

As far as the term "tar baby" - it is still used in a derogatory manner in some parts of the country, especially down south, where the term originated.

But, that's where it is your reponsibility as a parent to teach your children that what they see in these is not acceptable behavior.
We can use those old films as teaching tools to teach about history. If we shove our history, no matter how unpalatable it is, under the rug, how can we learn from our mistakes?

 

[whs_singingrose]

I own the film.
I remembered it fonly from my childhood, so I procured a bootleg copy.

after watching it again, my children will never have the opportunity to watch it. It is deeply laden with innuendo and racist dogma from the time period. It would not, and does not, translate well into the tolerant society of the day.

ok, if that's the way you feel about Song of the South, what's your take on Hairspray?

sometimes I think we need all these stories so people can look back and see how much has changed compared to that era in American history.

 

[mtlhddoc2]

But, that's where it is your reponsibility as a parent to teach your children that what they see in these is not acceptable behavior.
We can use those old films as teaching tools to teach about history. If we shove our history, no matter how unpalatable it is, under the rug, how can we learn from our mistakes?

How is it possible to teach that the behavior is unacceptable when the movie makes racism fun and exciting?

My kids have seen racism, they have seen homophobia, but never in a positive light. It is my responsibility as a parent, which is why they wont watch it.

rose: have not seen Hairspray so I cannot comment.

 

[Belle1997]

so true Belle,

As far as the term "tar baby" - it is still used in a derogatory manner in some parts of the country, especially down south, where the term originated.

That is so sad to hear. Reminds me of the day My husband and I were going into the hot tub at Port Orleans. There was an African American in there with his son. I swear you could feel the tension when we got in. So we started up a conversation once he found out we were Canadian he eased up and we had a wondeful chat.

But I began to understand his unease. Serioulsy no lie. A young couple came up to the hot tub and was going to get in and saw him sitting there. Looked at him and walked away. Putting back on their cover ups. When the nice man left they returned immediately.

This so shocked my husband and me. This blantant rasism. I have never ever forgot this. But then it was only like 4 years ago.

Then again I get angry and shocked by watching I'll Fly Away. I also wonder what type of person I would have been back in that setting. Wold I been angered by the injustices I saw. Or is upbringing in a different culture what makes me who I am today.

I believe not being rasist is an active choice. Too many times we paint everyone with the same brush because of an experience we have had with one or two people.

 

[lizbeth374]

I would like to say that not all people from the south speak like what is mentioned in this thread. I am in and was raised in the south and would never speak that way. I was brought up to repsect others. My parents were born and raised in the south as well. Also it is not a widespread thing in the south for people to speak poorly of people of color. Sure, there are people who choose to act this way but there are people all over the US that act this way. Please do not make it sound like it is only in the south.