New Security Measures At The Parks

[prudence64]

I don't trust any of you self proclaimed "law abiding" gun carriers any more than anyone else. I don't know you. I don't trust you with a gun. I'm supposed to just take your word for it that you are a "good guy with a gun" and that you won't try to play hero in a situation that doesn't call for it, or that you aren't a well meaning but clumsy oaf with the gun, or that you can handle "drinking around the world" and a gun at the same time? No thanks. I don't want to be around you or your gun while I'm on vacation. You might have the best intentions of protection but I don't know you and I don't trust you.

 

[keishashadow]

Since you asked, No I wouldn't start shooting. What I would do is follow the advice of the FBI "Run , Hide, Fight". It's that last part everyone seems to want to ignore, you see if as I'm trying to escape one of the attackers corners me and my family I would have the tools at hand to "Fight". I'm also under no illusion that I can muster my 4yr old DD and 20month old DS with any kind of expedience, so I'll be fairly slow at moving and as for hiding I'll probably have 2 crying children to draw attention to where I am.

Honestly I probably could get him as you say but my first concern is my family, and exposing myself by shooting back will endanger them. So even though I would be armed my main and only concern would be getting us to safety

we are all in this together. I applaud you for being concerned about your family's safety in this scenario and respect your right to bear arms. Unfortunately, it's difficult to predict how one would react in the heat of the moment, unless they have been in similar situations and have the proper training.

My family is from a miitary and law enforcement background and, after recent developments, have discussed this exact scenario with several highly trained law enforcement & government disaster personnel. Majority agree that possible collateral damage in a large crowd is a distinct possibility when a person with limited experience in this sort of situation decides to pull out a CW, unless you are talking acting in very close proximity.

My concern is someone with just the minimal training required in order to carry (who doesn't go to range regularly to practice) would get into fight or flight mode and discharge their weapon recklessly.

 

[Billinaz]

I agree that more should be done and everyone should be scanned, but there are many on this thread that think disney is overreacting and nothing should be done, and that is absurd.

I dont think anyone is saying nothing should be done. Rather they are dismayed that Disney is simply giving the appearance that the random selectees are doing anything.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Many guests have already reported the new measures did not affect or inconvenience them at all. Let's just accept that given current events, Disney made a common sense and informed decision to keep their guests and parks safer and implemented a few new safety measures, and move on.

I completely agree that Disney made this decision for a reason. I just disagree that it does much if anything to truly make the parks more safe.

 

[Billinaz]

I don't trust any of you self proclaimed "law abiding" gun carriers any more than anyone else. I don't know you. I don't trust you with a gun. I'm supposed to just take your word for it that you are a "good guy with a gun" and that you won't try to play hero in a situation that doesn't call for it, or that you aren't a well meaning but clumsy oaf with the gun, or that you can handle "drinking around the world" and a gun at the same time? No thanks. I don't want to be around you or your gun while I'm on vacation. You might have the best intentions of protection but I don't know you and I don't trust you.

Life must be rough when you distrust police officers and members of the military. I bet you would change your tune the second something happened and one of these law abiding citizens was present.

 

[Angel Ariel]

When a family puts out that much money for a trip, they deserve an answer as to why they were denied entry.

They also deserve to be refunded that money since it wasn't their call to not board the plane.

 

[Angel Ariel]

The thing is doing Something just for the sake of doing something isn't necessarily always a good thing. In just this instance Disney banned toy guns, adults from wearing costumes, and sporadic metal detection. Really what does any of this fix.

Exactly. I felt plenty safe with the unseen security measures disney already had in place. 4 metal detectors outside MK, where tens of thousands of people go daily, does absolutely nothing to make me feel safer.

 

[Billinaz]

They also deserve to be refunded that money since it wasn't their call to not board the plane.

Not really. That is the airlines policy. They would most likely get a travel voucher for a future date, but when traveling abroad it is your responsibility to make sure you have all the requirements for entry into the country you are traveling to. They should not have tried an expedited electronic visa in lieu of the standard visa procedure. They knew a family member had been expelled from one country, it is logical the same thing would happen again.

 

[HopperFan]

That's where, as many have pointed out, it's all in your (collectively) head(s).

The unobtrusive measures are far more effective than metal detectors. It isn't making anyone safer, sure it may make the uninformed *feel* better, but it doesn't actually do anything to stop those intent on attacking. Which is, allegedly, why the detectors went in.

The areas to attack, such as bag check near rope drop, the lines to the monorail, on the ferry ect ect can't have anything done about them. The number of employees and vendors coming and going... the number of areas someone could easily chuck a duffle bag filled with weapons/explosives over the fence and a group of bad guys could scoop them up after entering the park... or just hop the fence and then start shooting in the back of fantasy land for just one example. The fences only make it so honest people don't skip the turnstyles and anyone planning on mass murdering isn't going to care about getting a trespassing warning.

Carbon fiber knifes (cheap readily available) won't be picked up by metal detectors, have a couple guys go into DHS and ride in 3 different cars at the same tie in Star Tours, everyone belted in and one guy going down the rows from behind stabbing everyone in the neck.... Same time one guy goes into the HM preshow.... Getting fixated on firearms is only one aspect of this.

Honestly, this "safe" and "safety" stuff is pure nonsense. Securing an aircraft is something that is something that can be done fairly well. There are ways to defeat the security but it's much more difficult. Themeparks? Get real. Think about, the TSA fails at detecting weapons 96% of the time. As we've said, it's all in your collective heads. Safety and security are an illusion. Nothing more.

*****BTW I got sent through the metal detector today. 30 seconds of park time wasted.... for something that made no one any safer. The Wizard of Oz would be envious. Smoke and mirrors.

So .... me using the word "safe" and "safety" in the same breath as Disney makes you angry and attacking folks on here who are okay with added measures.
Okay ..... it really doesn't matter what you think about Disney's plan, not that you or anyone else here actually knows what it is anyway.
Yeah ..... you'd have to be a moron to not see that the infrastructure at Disney World makes total safety impossible.
Obviously .... one of the biggest access points is by CMs, thousands of them, and as posted before many temporary and unvetted.
Pointless .... all this anger being posted about metal detectors and additional security.
Best bet ..... for all who feel unsafe, who don't want to follow the rules, who feel they are more qualified to determine Disney's plans ..... stay home, it's optional.

 

[SensesFailed]

Honestly it might be funny to watch. When it starts to take 3, 4, 5 hrs to get through the front gate the fake outrage will be real. Theirs no way they can scan that many people quickly without having hundreds of scanners.

I'd like to see people get their head out of the clouds and start to realize these so called security measures do absolutely nothing but hinder the rest of us.

And I'd like to see people stop acting like they are being infringed upon and acting like this is going to completely kill their vacation.. news flash.. it's not.

 

[TwoMisfits]

If there was a big security emergency and Disney wanted to really make the parks safer (without bankrupting itself), the management could easily offer a "1/2 price" park pass to all certified police officers and FBI agents who come to the parks, register themselves and their weapons, sign a "safe practices" form (like I will not drink alcohol today, etc), and wear magic bands so Disney privately knew how many extra free potential security members they had in their parks each day and where they are at every moment. Anyone who can't keep track of their weapon or is deemed acting unsafely by Disney loses this privilege for life. Win-win for everyone. This would do much more to improve the safety of the parks than a couple of random "show" metal detectors.

 

[Jennasis]

Since you asked, No I wouldn't start shooting. What I would do is follow the advice of the FBI "Run , Hide, Fight". It's that last part everyone seems to want to ignore, you see if as I'm trying to escape one of the attackers corners me and my family I would have the tools at hand to "Fight". I'm also under no illusion that I can muster my 4yr old DD and 20month old DS with any kind of expedience, so I'll be fairly slow at moving and as for hiding I'll probably have 2 crying children to draw attention to where I am.

Honestly I probably could get him as you say but my first concern is my family, and exposing myself by shooting back will endanger them. So even though I would be armed my main and only concern would be getting us to safety

Im glad to hear you wouldn't shoot first. The likelihood of the scenario you propose as reason to want to carry a gun for your safety and families safety is so infinitesimal...perhaps even more than any of the reasons FOR the added security.

You're suggesting, you want to carry a gun into Disney world because an armed attacker may attack a large group somewhere in the park and that despite running and hiding, he/she is going to follow you and corner you?

Wow.

 

[larryz]

There's no way they can scan that many people quickly without having hundreds of scanners.

Well, there is ONE way... (and I'm surprised WDW hasn't thought of it yet...)

One BIG scanner...

 

[mummabear]

Fireproof, adjustable, plenty of pockets, double zipper to make bio breaks easier...
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What more could one ask for?

A hidden Mickey

They also deserve to be refunded that money since it wasn't their call to not board the plane.

It wasn't the airlines fault either though why should they be out of pocket?

 

[Billinaz]

If there was a big security emergency and Disney wanted to really make the parks safer (without bankrupting itself), the management could easily offer a "1/2 price" park pass to all certified police officers and FBI agents who come to the parks, register themselves and their weapons, sign a "safe practices" form (like I will not drink alcohol today, etc), and wear magic bands so Disney privately knew how many extra free potential security members they had in their parks each day and where they are at every moment. Anyone who can't keep track of their weapon or is deemed acting unsafely by Disney loses this privilege for life. Win-win for everyone. This would do much more to improve the safety of the parks than a couple of random "show" metal detectors.

That actually makes sense. All they have to do is have a LEOSA pass. This federal act flooded the nation with many thousand current and retired law enforcement officers who are armed and trained at zero cost.

 

[luvthemouse71]

This sounds so cynical and non- magical, but I'm surprised there hasn't been a huge incident at a Disney park already. What is more American than WDW or Disneyland?

I think that the fact there hasn't been means they know what they're doing. Probably a ton of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

 

[Gracie09]

Life must be rough when you distrust police officers and members of the military. I bet you would change your tune the second something happened and one of these law abiding citizens was present.

Life must be so rough for you to feel the need to carry a gun with you everywhere. I have relatives that are retired police. They never carried off duty. In fact my bil never even brought his gun home. Never felt the need to have it. I trust the police and military so much to do their jobs that I don't feel the need to try and do it for the .

 

[Billinaz]

Im glad to hear you wouldn't shoot first. The likelihood of the scenario you propose as reason to want to carry a gun for your safety and families safety is so infinitesimal...perhaps even more than any of the reasons FOR the added security.

You're suggesting, you want to carry a gun into Disney world because an armed attacker may attack a large group somewhere in the park and that despite running and hiding, he/she is going to follow you and corner you?

Wow.

Apparently you are another one of these people making up statistics.

"so infinitesimal"

If that were the case, why would the federal government recognize the need and pass an amendment to the US Code just for this purpose?

"he/she is going to follow you and corner you?"


That is exactly one thing that happens when those intent on evil decide to target you.

 

[Billinaz]

Wow…you should contact Disney and tell them some knifes (and guns) are made of non-metallic material and can bypass metal detectors.

Knives are, firearms are not. But I can see that you are only interested in being snide and sarcastic so facts have no meaning in your thinking.

You should also tell them the bag checks are useless because one could easily throw a bag over the fence and retrieve it later. Disney would appreciate the insight and give you a few fastpasses and a junior g man badge.

I have had just this discussion with some of the execs there.


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If you think any company that depends on revenue from 600 million visitors worldwide doesn’t take security seriously, your living in fantasyland. If you want Disney to protect you from a deranged person 24” behind you, that again is fantasy land.

I think you are looking for the word you're here.

They are taking it seriously, but the bag checks and couple of WTMDs are just that, useless.

 

[Billinaz]

This sounds so cynical and non- magical, but I'm surprised there hasn't been a huge incident at a Disney park already. What is more American than WDW or Disneyland?

I think that the fact there hasn't been means they know what they're doing. Probably a ton of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

They have been targeted. Just didn't (thankfully) get carried out.