New SD banning abortion..

[JMD]

Yes, but this would affect other people. An abortion does not. When someone walks down the street, you can't tell if she has had an abortion. You can see if she's naked/having sex.

You can't sell your body for sex. That includes 2 consenting adults and doesn't effect anyone else. The list of substances you can't put in your body is endless, and continues to grow day by day. That doesn't effect anyone else. The idea that government has no right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body is flat out wrong. It happens every day.

And as far as abortion not effecting other people....well, thats a whole other arguement altogether.....

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Perfect example of why we should not accept this practise. Simple irresponsibility leads to a child not being able to live their life. Maybe people should instead learn to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and decisions, being prepared to deal with the risks and consequences.

since you were so quick to inquire, the condom tore. that's the background. we were being as cautious as we were taught to be. I know, I know, we should have abstained. that's like telling a compass not to point north.

so which was it:

1. God had determined the whole pattern of both my girlfriend's and my lives from birth to lead up to that moment.

2. we were both doing what we wanted to do?

3. God tore the condom to teach us a valuable lesson, (because he hates birth control) and to bring a baby into our lives?

it's been 18 years since she had her abortion, and I still don't see how it's affected anyone's life who's participating in this thread.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

You can't sell your body for sex. That includes 2 consenting adults and doesn't effect anyone else. The list of substances you can't put in your body is endless, and continues to grow day by day. That doesn't effect anyone else. The idea that government has no right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body is flat out wrong. It happens every day.

And as far as abortion not effecting other people....well, thats a whole other arguement altogether.....

but those are all vice laws, church laws. some people need to smoke a pack of cigarettes a day or get a hooker to make it through life. other people use jesus. either way, I don't care. but if the government taxes vices like cigarettes and alcohol, they should tax religion as well. because the churches have more money than any drug cartel and leave a lot more bodies in the wake.

 

[scubamouse]

I am honestly shocked. For the first time in the many debates about abortion here on the DIS, I am nearly speechless from one type of comment in particular.

I am pro-life. I am absolutely appalled at the assertion that, as a pro-life woman, I only care about children before they are born. That has to be one of the most hate-filled comments I have heard in a long time.

I simply don’t understand how someone can make the connection that being pro-life means you care more for children in-utero than you do once they are born. My heart absolutely breaks for children who are in this world without the food, clothes, shelter, and love they need. I give financially to support children like this through both charity, my church, and my tax dollars.

It is ridiculous to make the assertion that being conservative means you don’t care about children. Just because I don’t think that certain government programs are the best way to care for these underprivileged children doesn’t mean I don’t care. For what it’s worth, I think that welfare (as one example of one of the social programs mentioned) needs serious reform. However, I think that any system will always be abused. The only way to end abuse would be to end welfare, but I’m not willing to end it completely because children would suffer.

I'm sorry you feel that way but the politicians YOU elect cut medicare and food stamp programs and school funding. Charitiable giving is absolutely not making up the shortfall. If conservative politicians and the people that support them want to convince me they care about living children, they need to change their priorities. I'm getting windfall tax breaks and food stamps are getting cut - there's nothing compassionate about that!

 

[andromedaslove]

You can't sell your body for sex. That includes 2 consenting adults and doesn't effect anyone else. The list of substances you can't put in your body is endless, and continues to grow day by day. That doesn't effect anyone else. The idea that government has no right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body is flat out wrong. It happens every day.

And as far as abortion not effecting other people....well, thats a whole other arguement altogether.....

Putting on my flame proof suit..... I know this is off topic, but I don't see why prostitution should be illegal. It could actually be handled in ways that would keep alot of prostitutes and "johns" from coming down with diseases.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Putting on my flame proof suit..... I know this is off topic, but I don't see why prostitution should be illegal. It could actually be handled in ways that would keep alot of prostitutes and "johns" from coming down with diseases.

No flames here. I see prostitution as two consenting adults and one gives the other cash afterward instead of buying them dinner, wine and stuff before. In both cases the women got something for something that she was willing to exchange it for. I don't wee it as an issue that you will cause families to break up, a cheater will find somebody to cheat with no matter what.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

because the churches have more money than any drug cartel and leave a lot more bodies in the wake.

Mmm, okay! Ya lost me on this one!

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Mmm, okay! Ya lost me on this one!

more blood has been shed in the name of religion than any other cause on the earth. kind of ironic, isn't it? pick up a history book.

 

[beckmrk04]

You can't sell your body for sex. That includes 2 consenting adults and doesn't effect anyone else. The list of substances you can't put in your body is endless, and continues to grow day by day. That doesn't effect anyone else. The idea that government has no right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body is flat out wrong. It happens every day.

And as far as abortion not effecting other people....well, thats a whole other arguement altogether.....

Ok- in some places (areas of Nevada and Europe where it is a profession) it IS legal to sell your body for sex. Because our laws are so entagled with church laws, here it isn't legal. Fine. And IT DOES affect other people when you abuse drugs. For instance, when someone is high on who knows what and makes the decision to drive, then kills someone due to their impaired judgement, yep- someone else is affected, or at least at greater risk of being affected. That's why we have DUI laws. It isn't illegal to get drunk. It is illegal to get drunk and drive.

So yes, the govt. has made some laws to keep us safe from people who inject themsleves with substances which impair their judgement. And that's fine by me.

Someone having sex with a prostitute and getting a disease then bringing it home to me, could affect me.

Abortion is in no way similar to these things. Someone's choice to have an abortion is a personal decision and affects their own body.

There is no law saying that someone can't drink themselves to death. It only affects them. There is no law against people smoking themselves to death. They get the cancer. It's their CHOICE. It affects them.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

more blood has been shed in the name of religion than any other cause on the earth. kind of ironic, isn't it? pick up a history book.

Many people do things in the name of religion that has nothing to do with religion or God at all.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

Many people do things in the name of religion that has nothing to do with religion or God at all.

but they're still insprired to commit the acts. killing a doctor that performs abortions comes to mind. the crusades and the inquistion come to mind. suicide bombings....hmmm. you don't even have to pick up a history book, turn on the news.

abortion is one of those topics that inspires 'religious' people to desecrate their very own teachings to commit homocide. ahhhh, irony and hypocrisy all rolled together in a delicious treat.

 

[chobie]

I was telling my husband about this the other day, and he swears that if the US were to ban abortion we would be moving to Canada. I, of course, disagree. We will stay and fight it with EVERY breath. If my state were to ban abortions, we would move. I refuse to support a state that feels they have a right to decide what I do with MY body.

I'm not worried about my daughter and nieces. Whether abortion is legal or not in this country we will be able to afford to send them a country that is not ***-backwards should they ever want/need an abortion.

The reality is that the women who will be forced to give birth will be the poor ones. And it is highly likely that most of them will choose to keep the baby if forced to carry until term and give birth. Then will get to see the "compassionate conservatives" put their money where their mouths are when these children need medical care, clothes, food, shelter, education.

And I'm sure that the contributions from Conservatives to charities will go up accordingly to make up for the millions of babies that will be born into poverty.

 

[chobie]

You can't sell your body for sex. That includes 2 consenting adults and doesn't effect anyone else. The list of substances you can't put in your body is endless, and continues to grow day by day. That doesn't effect anyone else. The idea that government has no right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body is flat out wrong. It happens every day.

And as far as abortion not effecting other people....well, thats a whole other arguement altogether.....

The government does control what people do with the bodies for pleasure. But forcing people to have a medical procedure against their will is not the same as telling people they cannot smoke a joint.

But since you're all for forced medical procedures, how about if someone needs your kidney to live,the government forces you to hand it over? Sound fair?

 

[momof2inPA]

Abortion is to the beginning of the 21st century what prohibition was to the beginning of the 20th century. It is a polarizing political issue, and it will continue to be until it is outlawed and the people who voted against it realize just how unavoidable abortion it is.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

but they're still insprired to commit the acts. killing a doctor that performs abortions comes to mind. the crusades and the inquistion come to mind. suicide bombings....hmmm. you don't even have to pick up a history book, turn on the news.

abortion is one of those topics that inspires 'religious' people to desecrate their very own teachings to commit homocide. ahhhh, irony and hypocrisy all rolled together in a delicious treat.

You throw religious people around very loosely. If I were to shoot somebody and do it in the name of sylvester mcbean does that mean you inspired me to do it. No I did it because I wanted to and said it was in your name as my excuse. That is my point.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

You throw religious people around very loosely. If I were to shoot somebody and do it in the name of sylvester mcbean does that mean you inspired me to do it. No I did it because I wanted to and said it was in your name as my excuse. That is my point.

I throw the term 'religious people' around very loosely as do other people involved in crimes where a vice was a contributing factor. people blame their crimes on drug addiction every day. suicide bombers do the same with their god. it's all an excuse, it's all an addiction. but they commit the actual act. jesus for some people is a straight-up addiction. they donate a percentage of their income to feel good just like a drug addict does. but I haven't met a crack addict who's told me my wife shouldn't be able to have an abortion because god says it's wrong. keep your beliefs and your addictions in your own home.

 

[goofygirl]

It is perceptions like these that make me sad. Particularly the statement about a developing child being referred to as "a growth". You were once at that stage, thank God and your mother for bringing you into the world.. I firmly believe we are humans from the time of conception to natural death.

I do not agree that its a "person" at conception. It's like saying a chicken egg and a whole chicken is the same thing. To me, its 2 totally different things.

Yes, my mother CHOSE to bring me into the world. She was not FORCED. That's why we need CHOICE.

And her CHOICE, and every woman's choice is between her and God. Not between her, God and some politicians and religious fanatics.

 

[ead79]

I throw the term 'religious people' around very loosely as do other people involved in crimes where a vice was a contributing factor. people blame their crimes on drug addiction every day. suicide bombers do the same with their god. it's all an excuse, it's all an addiction. but they commit the actual act. jesus for some people is a straight-up addiction. they donate a percentage of their income to feel good just like a drug addict does. but I haven't met a crack addict who's told me my wife shouldn't be able to have an abortion because god says it's wrong. keep your beliefs and your addictions in your own home.

Sylvester, I have no doubt that there are people who do use Jesus as a crutch, or perhaps even as an addiction, as you put it. However, not all religious people view their relationship with Christ that way. I understand that you don't want another person's moral views to be forced on you. However, I think that you should try not to paint with such a broad brush. Not all of us religious folks hide behind God or are addicted to Jesus via contributions to the church. Please remember that not all religious people, including those of us who are pro-life, are as you describe.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

I'd agree with that ead79. I was kind of rambling on in that last post of mine.

 

[TNKBELL]

I know this is a serious debate, but this just made me giggle

I'm not American, but, as others were saying, I always thought one of the major things behind the creation of the US was the whole seperation of church and state - it's ironic because in the light of this type of thing, it would appear that there's far more seperation in the UK now (despite the whole Queen being the head of the church, and whatnot)! Pretty sad.

Also, we keep coming back to this idea of responsibility... but what about those people who get raped/sexually abused? Seriously, how must they feel when going into a clinic to be taken care of after a horrendous ordeal - maybe even after years of abuse - to be faced with people shouting abuse at her for 'killing the baby'? I think it's terrible

The actual percentages of pregnancy due to rape and incest would be less than 1%...this is the crutch and platform to legalize murder. One crime such as sexual abuse does not justify another, homicide. Very Sad. So if your mother or father brother, sister, cousin, ect is making life inconvenient should they be put to death as well? Come on people, one step leads to another, don't tell me that a fetus is not a person, it is unfortunate that our society lacks respect for life period. How about infanticide, is this justifiable? What is? Where does it end? If we don't nip murder in the bud now..what will our future hold? And as another posted on the flip side stated...I will fight this with my every breath!!