New SD banning abortion..

JoeEpcotRocks said:
What ever happened to personal responsibility?

How much personal responsibility do you expect from an infant? Really, how much should he/she be contributing to GDP? Please, give me a number. It's the CHILDREN that are being harmed by cuts in school programs, headstart, food stamps, medicare.

I stand by my assertion that anti-abortion (I refuse to call them pro-life) proponents DON'T care about the children once they start breathing. I've yet to see ANY of you convince me otherwise.

You want me to be anti-abortion (and believe me I'd love to be!), convince that you care as much about the child out of the uterus and you do when it's in-utero
 
bicker said:
Well, I think this thread more than doubled the standard case, which would have that everything new to be said in a thread is said within the first four pages. It is getting redundant and tedious now. The nastiness is bound to follow. :rotfl: I'm outta here before that happens. :wave2:

I'm with you bicker.
 
eyeoreismyhero said:
Don't say the personal responsibility phrase, the libs on the board don't believe in it and may go into a spasm!


Thanks for ruining one of the few civil threads about this issue that this board has seen. Way to go.
 
It would not be responsible or wise for me to have a child right now. My health would be at serious risk, as would my finances. If I have sex with my husband and our birth control fails, it would NOT be responsible for us to have another child. Personal responsibility is what would make me have an abortion. I have other responsibilities that come first, like being here for my existing three children.
 

chobie said:
Good for you! Don't have an abortion; its your choice to beleive in what ever fantasy you wish to.
Fantasty?? Why is her thinking life begins at conception a fanatasy and yours that life beings at birth not? To me the answer to when does life begin is the reason for the division in if an abortion a human or not.
 
wvjules said:
Would you rather that child be born to a mother that is unable to take care of it and/or love it as a child should be?
Of course they would. Just don't expect them to support the child because then the woman should have had the personal responsibility not to get pregnant in the first place, especially those pesky rape and incest victims.
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
I should have known it was the evil Republicans. :rolleyes:

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Yes, of course, victims of rape and sexual abuse just lack responsibility.. of course, they wanted to be attacked... :rolleyes:
 
VSL said:
Yes, of course, victims of rape and sexual abuse just lack responsibility.. of course, they wanted to be attacked... :rolleyes:

no...God wanted them to be attacked, if you follow the 'everything happens for a reason' belief. remember, that rape victim is now carrying 'a gift from God'. so suck it up ladies and carry, love, and raise that baby. :thumbsup2
 
Sylvester McBean said:
no...God wanted them to be attacked, if you follow the 'everything happens for a reason' belief. remember, that rape victim is now carrying 'a gift from God'. so suck it up ladies and carry, love, and raise that baby. :thumbsup2

Be careful, those with that belief don't like people to focus on the plot holes.
 
mickeyfan2 said:
Fantasty?? Why is her thinking life begins at conception a fanatasy and yours that life beings at birth not? To me the answer to when does life begin is the reason for the division in if an abortion a human or not.

The problem is, IMO,that there is a radical group on both sides of the issue.


Not all professed anti-abortionists agree as to when life begins, and that anything from fertilizing an egg to full gestation should be classified as a baby, and that there is absolutely no reason that it (intervention of any sorT) should ever be permitted.

And not all professed pro-choice people agree that a woman has the right to an abortion at any time, any place, and for any reason, and it's a fetus until she says it isn't, even if she's 2 weeks past her due date.

Each group has automatically assumed that any change in abortion/reproductive law will lead to the implementation of the radical elements' beliefs.

I'm using the word professed in the definition as being one who has publicly declared a belief.

And there's obviously nothing that I can do to convince either group that the majority of people in this country are somewhere in the middle on this issue, with variations as to how, when, and where life begins and ends, especially when talking about pregnancy.

I'm just thankful that it's only been an intellectual (in general) question for me, as even in my own life my opinion has changed back and forth due to circumstances.

Edited to add:

***This is strictly my opinion formed after discussing abortion with a large cross section of people of different backgrounds and ages, and reading about it, over the last 40 years. It is based on my own personal experience, and a variety of surveys, etc taken over the years, which should always be taken with a grain of salt. Your experience will vary depending upon age and circumstance.***
 
froglady said:
The problem is that there is a radical group on both sides of the issue.


Not all professed anti-abortionists agree as to when life begins, and that anything from fertilizing an egg to full gestation should be classified as a baby, and that there is absolutely no reason that it (intervention of any sorT) should ever be permitted.

And not all professed pro-choice people agree that a woman has the right to an abortion at any time, any place, and for any reason, and it's a fetus until she says it isn't, even if she's 2 weeks past her due date.

Each group has automatically assumed that any change in abortion/reproductive law will lead to the implementation of the radical elements' beliefs.

I'm using the word professed in the definition as being one who has publicly declared a belief.

And there's obviously nothing that I can do to convince either group that the majority of people in this country are somewhere in the middle on this issue, with variations as to how, when, and where life begins and ends, especially when talking about pregnancy.

I'm just thankful that it's only been an intellectual (in general) question for me, as even in my own life my opinion has changed back and forth due to circumstances.
I am glad that you and I agree there are radicals on both sides. Seem here that they only feel there are pro-life radicals and the others are correct.

I for one never vote for a candidate based on abortion issues. To me that is the least of my worries when voting.

I have never had an abortion, do not want back alley abortions, am not sure what date is the start of life (wrt when to allow and not allow abortions), do not think abortions are forms of birth control, do not feel that rape is God's will (this is just sick), feel that rape and incest with a minor that produces a pregnancy are ok reason's for abortions, do feel we need to change adoption laws in this country, need better information (how exactly I am not sure) to prevent unwanted pregnancies and want to see birth control methods to be discussed with both men and women. I do think a SO who is in a long term relationship does have some amounts of rights (just not sure how to do it). I could have easily been an abortion, my mother was 16 and unwed when she got pregnant. She was a bad/abusive mom, but I am still glad to be here. I have made a great adult life for myself.
 
Just a point of clarification. This SD law is the most extreme anti-abortion stance there is and does attempt to legislate that "live begins at conception".
 
chobie said:
Just a point of clarification. This SD law is the most extreme anti-abortion stance there is and does attempt to legislate that "live begins at conception".


:cheer2: South Dakota :cheer2:
 
when will the separation of church and state finally begin? if a woman wants to get an abortion, why do you really care? how is affecting your life? it's legal, and it's her choice. why do people constantly push their beliefs onto others?

certain religious people read the bible and interpret that we have free will. but when people use that free will in ways they don't like... it's "oh crap!, they're using their free will!, make a law!" it's so hypocritical.
 
Sylvester McBean said:
when will the separation of church and state finally begin? if a woman wants to get an abortion, why do you really care? how is affecting your life? it's legal, and it's her choice. why do people constantly push their beliefs onto others?

certain religious people read the bible and interpret that we have free will. but when people use that free will in ways they don't like... it's "oh crap!, they're using their free will!, make a law!" it's so hypocritical.

Um, people use their free will to murder, rape, steal, umm! Guess we shouldn't have laws against that right? Might wanna rething that statement before you start the name calling! :rolleyes:
 
eyeoreismyhero said:
Don't say the personal responsibility phrase, the libs on the board don't believe in it and may go into a spasm!

Ok- Sylvester didn't call any names, but you have had some nasty little comments, haven't you? In fact, I agree with another poster- this discusssion was all quite civil, BUT oh no, that can't last.

"I'm more successful than you'll ever be..." Wasn't that you? I mean, how can you judge someone on an INTERNET CHAT BOARD? Judge judge judge. Hmmmm. I guess maybe we should come to you to find out how we all SHOULD be living our lives. Obviously you know, right? I mean, how dare God have a plan?

To everyone else, no matter which side of the argument you are on, thank you for using responsible sensitive arguments in a very sensitive topic. There is no need for judgement or name calling- we are adults, afterall. And this
 
beckmrk04 said:
Ok- Sylvester didn't call any names, but you have had some nasty little comments, haven't you? In fact, I agree with another poster- this discusssion was all quite civil, BUT oh no, that can't last.

"I'm more successfult than you'll ever be..." Wasn't that you? I mean, how can you judge someone on an INTERNET CHAT BOARD? Judge judge judge. Hmmmm. I guess maybe we should come to you to find out how we all SHOULD be living our lives. Obviously you know, right? I mean, how dare God have a plan?

To everyone else, no matter which side of the argument you are on, thank you for using responsible sensitive arguments in a very sensitive topic. There is no need for judgement or name calling- we are adults, afterall. And this

Funny how you choose to pick out my posts but none proceeding them. Perhaps you might wanna reread the thread a little more indepth if you wanna talk about judging. Nevermind you already judged me while you were chastizing me over it. Oh well, back to the regularly scheduled program!
 
beckmrk04 said:
"I'm more successful than you'll ever be..." Wasn't that you? I mean, how can you judge someone on an INTERNET CHAT BOARD? Judge judge judge. Hmmmm. I guess maybe we should come to you to find out how we all SHOULD be living our lives. Obviously you know, right? I mean, how dare God have a plan?

was this directed at me? (edited) oops, no. :)
 
Oh, I've read the whole thread. I've read your other posts. I'm not judging you. Just pointing out that this thread WAS polite and thoughtful.

ETA- AND I think it could stay that way, without name calling and hurtful personal comments.
 
eyeoreismyhero said:
Um, people use their free will to murder, rape, steal, umm! Guess we shouldn't have laws against that right? Might wanna rething that statement before you start the name calling! :rolleyes:

so which is it, free will or fate? you can't have it both ways. if it's fate, then God had it pre-ordained to have roe v wade overturned and has a plan for the aborted fetuses. if it's free will, why do you care what a woman is doing to something inside of her body if it doesn't affect your life? shouldn't you be worried about your own life and will? why do you want to get wrapped up in what other people are doing if there is no ill effect on your life? 'live and let live'...

I know, you'll say it falls under the 'murder' laws. well, according to the supreme court, it doesn't. so you're imposing your religious beliefs over the law of the land. and that's why this country is so gunked up right now...church laws.
 














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