Rumor a Disney hotel is replacing Circus Circus in Las Vegas

[J-Dog]

Yeah, and back when they opened MGM Grand Adventure it was all about family entertainment. Vegas has tried and failed to re-brand before. This is no different. Well, except that they've learned that you WILL spend money on other things, and those things will also draw you to put the coins in the machines. LSS - this is no place for Disney if Disney is not going to focus on gambling. The mob is alive and well, as are the seedier aspects that go along with it.

Yes, Vegas isn't currently catering/marketing to families, but families are absolutely still vacationing there, and the AdventureDome remains highly utilized, despite an otherwise-poor-quality resort attached to it. Why would Disney not try to corner that market?

 

[Brian Noble]

Because capital is limited, and another cruise ship is probably a much better bet.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Yes, Vegas isn't currently catering/marketing to families, but families are absolutely still vacationing there, and the AdventureDome remains highly utilized, despite an otherwise-poor-quality resort attached to it. Why would Disney not try to corner that market?

Because when the bad element moved in around DL Walt turned his eyes to Florida so he could control the surroundings around WDW - just like he couldn't in Anaheim. No matter how much you put into Circus Circus it will still be surrounded by Las Vegas - no matter what turn it might take next, and Disney will have no control over that.

 

[peder]

Looking at the maps of the area, there's quite a bit of undeveloped and underdeveloped land within a short walking distance of the Circus Circus. A larger, more ambitious version of DisneyQuest Chicago or Disney's Riverfront Square St Louis could work here.

Disney has clearly tried to make this type of concept work multiple times. Just a matter of time before another exec tries it again.

 

[gottalovepluto]

0% chance. If Disney tries to bring their high price + crappy hotel standards to Vegas they will get Rekt. (Yes, I said crappy hotel standards. That $1k/nt people pay for GF will get a LOT nicer place in Vegas. This is not a competition Disney wants to step into.)

 

[peder]

0% chance. If Disney tries to bring their high price + crappy hotel standards to Vegas they will get Rekt. (Yes, I said crappy hotel standards. That $1k/nt people pay for GF will get a LOT nicer place in Vegas. This is not a competition Disney wants to step into.)

Good point. We love DVC but the rooms and service are lacking. Certainly Disney would have a lot of direct hotel competition in Vegas that they don’t have in Orlando.

But wouldn’t say 0% chance. I actually think it’s certain that another park or something like it will come about eventually. Disney has spent most of their effort and money on smaller experiences like DisneyQuest, trying to broaden their reach. But they haven’t tried a middle ground that Vegas could offer. Basically, I think Disney keeps trying to find the minimum possible experience that still commands the Disney price premium, and they’re going to give it another go at a site like Circus Circus or the Dallas suburbs or Carmel, Indiana, etc at some point.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Good point. We love DVC but the rooms and service are lacking. Certainly Disney would have a lot of direct hotel competition in Vegas that they don’t have in Orlando.

But wouldn’t say 0% chance. I actually think it’s certain that another park or something like it will come about eventually. Disney has spent most of their effort and money on smaller experiences like DisneyQuest, trying to broaden their reach. But they haven’t tried a middle ground that Vegas could offer. Basically, I think Disney keeps trying to find the minimum possible experience that still commands the Disney price premium, and they’re going to give it another go at a site like Circus Circus or the Dallas suburbs or Carmel, Indiana, etc at some point.

I’m voting with the 0% chance block.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

No offense to anyone, but any of these posts that are picking and choosing places other than Vegas (the topic of the thread) are mostly irrelevant - because those opinions would only be applicable if we are assuming that Disney would do something like this based on what the members want, rather than what would be most profitable for them.

And we know that's not the case.

None taken by me. I agree with you it would be based on a profit analysis and not member preference— but it’s not going to be profitable building DVC somewhere that most current and potential members wouldn’t want to buy (or want to stay enough to drive purchases elsewhere).

 

[Steelers0854]

Well, I guess, but that could be said of anywhere for anybody. For example, I would have zero interest in a DVC resort at any of the places that you mentioned.

My response was to your comment of “why you would be disappointed”, I gave you my answer on why I would be disappointed, totally get that you wouldn’t be, and thats totally fine, but I sure would be.

No offense to anyone, but any of these posts that are picking and choosing places other than Vegas (the topic of the thread) are mostly irrelevant - because those opinions would only be applicable if we are assuming that Disney would do something like this based on what the members want, rather than what would be most profitable for them.

And we know that's not the case.

None taken at all. But to be fair this entire thread is irrelevant, we are discussing rumors or rumors that this is happening, but it is fun to theorize what could possibly happen, and in a world where they build DVC in Vegas, a DVC resort connected to an existing park is infinitely more likely.

 

[peder]

None taken by me. I agree with you it would be based on a profit analysis and not member preference— but it’s not going to be profitable building DVC somewhere that most current and potential members wouldn’t want to buy (or want to stay enough to drive purchases elsewhere).

That's why I don't think Vegas is a completely ridiculous spot for a Disney park with DVC properties alongside or just standalone DVC properties. Vegas is a very common timeshare location.

In the same vein, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Vail, Colorado DVC location someday.

I know the conventional wisdom is that a Hilton Head or Vero wouldn't be built again if Disney had a mulligan, but I don't agree with that. I think Disney chases any opportunity that produces a superior rate of return that doesn't cannibalize existing offerings. And they don't mind trying/failing/reinventing something that failed. In fact, I'd say they tend to overindex on innovation funding some very questionable endeavours compared to their peers. Galactic Starcruiser comes to mind as a recent example of Disney lighting money on fire in the hopes of creating a new market. So with that in mind, I think we'll see something along the lines of a Vegas park+DVC thing within a decade. Might not be in Vegas, but it'll be some new Disney concept outside of the Orlando and LA metros.

 

[AstroBlasters]

That's why I don't think Vegas is a completely ridiculous spot for a Disney park with DVC properties alongside or just standalone DVC properties. Vegas is a very common timeshare location.

In the same vein, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Vail, Colorado DVC location someday.

I know the conventional wisdom is that a Hilton Head or Vero wouldn't be built again if Disney had a mulligan, but I don't agree with that. I think Disney chases any opportunity that produces a superior rate of return that doesn't cannibalize existing offerings. And they don't mind trying/failing/reinventing something that failed. In fact, I'd say they tend to overindex on innovation funding some very questionable endeavours compared to their peers. Galactic Starcruiser comes to mind as a recent example of Disney lighting money on fire in the hopes of creating a new market. So with that in mind, I think we'll see something along the lines of a Vegas park+DVC thing within a decade. Might not be in Vegas, but it'll be some new Disney concept outside of the Orlando and LA metros.

pssst… Michael Eisner is not the CEO anymore….

 

[peder]

pssst… Michael Eisner is not the CEO anymore….

There's always another CEO coming down the pipeline, and that next CEO will have pet projects. Or some Wall Street activist will have some pet projects that it expects the company to move forward. Etc. Etc.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Unless you stay in some sort of suite in a Vegas hotel, I find them very average.
Of course, I have not stayed at every hotel in Vegas.

 

[bdrex28]

Dang there goes my cheap place to play craps and blackjack

I was in Vegas with work in October and stayed at the Fountainbleau, across the street was Circus Circus. Honestly, we had a lot of fun going over and playing craps and blackjack. Is Circus Circus good? No, not at all, but it's cheap and quiet and we had our own table for hours upon hours!

 

[WilsonFlyer]

The following applies to many things in corporate America...

I remember the conversations here after the cluster that was (and still is) Aulani. There was a firm indictment supposedly from the 'top down' that there would never be another DVC resort built that wasn't on the campus of a Disney park/resort. Consensus on these boards was high also (in agreement).

It's interesting how as management changes from the bottom to the top that all of that 'memory' is sometimes magically lost or the reasoning behind which those decisions were made is either lost or neglected altogether.

Those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

That's why I don't think Vegas is a completely ridiculous spot for a Disney park with DVC properties alongside or just standalone DVC properties. Vegas is a very common timeshare location.

In the same vein, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Vail, Colorado DVC location someday.

I know the conventional wisdom is that a Hilton Head or Vero wouldn't be built again if Disney had a mulligan, but I don't agree with that. I think Disney chases any opportunity that produces a superior rate of return that doesn't cannibalize existing offerings. And they don't mind trying/failing/reinventing something that failed. In fact, I'd say they tend to overindex on innovation funding some very questionable endeavours compared to their peers. Galactic Starcruiser comes to mind as a recent example of Disney lighting money on fire in the hopes of creating a new market. So with that in mind, I think we'll see something along the lines of a Vegas park+DVC thing within a decade. Might not be in Vegas, but it'll be some new Disney concept outside of the Orlando and LA metros.

I think the issue with Vegas is that it's not that far from Disneyland Resort, so it doesn't get them many new vistors and is more likely to cannibalize DLR traffic if it does. Even Phoenix would be more appealing from that perspective, but I think TX/CO/mid-atlantic would make more sense.

On top of geographic downsides, you have to remember that one of the major advantages to locking in a timeshare is the savings, and it's harder to justify locking in $350 or more per night in Las Vegas for a standard studio room. At WDW they've been able to command an onsite premium, and in AUL everything is expensive, but I can't see them charging more than 20 points a night for a studio on the strip and that would require pretty low dues to work out, which might just mean SAP points that flood other resorts.

 

[J-Dog]

The following applies to many things in corporate America...

I remember the conversations here after the cluster that was (and still is) Aulani. There was a firm indictment supposedly from the 'top down' that there would never be another DVC resort built that wasn't on the campus of a Disney park/resort. Consensus on these boards was high also (in agreement).

It's interesting how as management changes from the bottom to the top that all of that 'memory' is sometimes magically lost or the reasoning behind which those decisions were made is either lost or neglected altogether.

Those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it.

Aulani may be a cluster in terms of selling out the DVC portion, but everything I've heard recently says that they are making tons of money on that place.

 

[hardcorestitch]

Aulani may be a cluster in terms of selling out the DVC portion, but everything I've heard recently says that they are making tons of money on that place.

In my opinion, Aulani was a natural fit. Lilo, Stitch, and Moana were set in the real life state that the resort is located in. The ROI is quite visible.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Aulani may be a cluster in terms of selling out the DVC portion, but everything I've heard recently says that they are making tons of money on that place.

It had nothing to do with that. It had to do with the taxes that weren't taken into account with the first contracts that were sold. Disney pays for that mistake every year until the condo expires. Big. It was a massive oversight that cost heads to roll.

 

[Brian Noble]

I think the issue with Vegas is that it's not that far from Disneyland Resort

It's not very far geographically, but that's not the only way to measure distance!