New SD banning abortion..

[punkin]

Adoption is an alternative to raising a baby. Abortion is an alternative to carrying a pregnancy. The only thing they have in common is that they both often result from unplanned pregnancies.

You are so, so right.

 

[kristen821]

As an adoptive mom, I want to address the "just place the babies for adoption" viewpoint, and the comments about the rate of depression in women who have had abortions. You make it sound so easy. Do you really think that forcing a woman to carry to term, give birth, and then place the baby for adoption, will lessen her depression?

Birthmothers also have a higher rate of depression than other women. I personally have talked to more than one previously pro-life birthmother who aborted a subsequent unplanned pregnancy, because the adoption loss had been so horrible and they didn't think they could take it again. I've read a powerful commentary on the internet (can't find it anymore, ), comparing the grief one woman felt from the stillbirth of a planned baby, to the grief of losing a previous, unplanned baby to adoption. Placing the baby for adoption was worse for her, because there was no closure and no support for her grief.


Adoption is an alternative to raising a baby. Abortion is an alternative to carrying a pregnancy. The only thing they have in common is that they both often result from unplanned pregnancies.

I don't think adoption is something that is easy, but I think it is easier then abortion.

I don't think having stillbirth baby is the same thing as having an abortion. I think there would be more closure with stillbirth because there wasn't anything you can do about it. There are also adoption agencies that you can see the baby every so often if that is what they prefer. They can also keep the unplanned child.

I feel that abortion is murder and the baby is a real person. They feel pain, have heartbeat, move, and have a chance to survive at 20 weeks old (which is the age you can legally abort to.) Yes many pregnancies are unplanned, but that isn't the babies fault.

Again, these are personnal opinions and I wouldn't think differently of anyone who had an abortion. I have a few friends that had abortions, but I wouldn't have one.

 

[goofygirl]

What gives you or anyone else the right to decide whether a child lives or dies?

The Supreme Court does (At least it does FOR NOW...)

And by the way, in the early stages its not a child. Its an embryo. Its like getting rid of an abnormal growth or tumor.

 

[kristen821]

The Supreme Court does (At least it does FOR NOW...)

And by the way, in the early stages its not a child. Its an embryo. Its like getting rid of an abnormal growth or tumor.

http://teenmoms.ourfamily.com/pregnant.htm

Looks like a baby to me!

 

[AnaheimGirl]

I don't think adoption is something that is easy, but I think it is easier then abortion.

I don't think having stillbirth baby is the same thing as having an abortion. I think there would be more closure with stillbirth because there wasn't anything you can do about it. There are also adoption agencies that you can see the baby every so often if that is what they prefer. They can also keep the unplanned child.

I feel that abortion is murder and the baby is a real person. They feel pain, have heartbeat, move, and have a chance to survive at 20 weeks old (which is the legal age you can legally abort to.) Yes many pregnancies are unplanned, but that isn't the babies fault.

Again, these are personnal opinions and I wouldn't think differently of anyone who had an abortion. I have a few friends that had abortions, but I wouldn't have one.

Just curious then, do you want to make abortion illegal? I apologize if you already indicated your position on this and I missed it. You sound pro-choice from a political perspective, but pro-life for yourself.

It's hard to know whether to argue with you or not , because I think you have every right to your opinion and every right to carry to term any baby you choose. The only thing I want is for all women to continue to be allowed to make those decisions for themselves. You may think adoption would be easier than abortion, but clearly many other women feel differently. That's what being pro-choice is all about. Not encouraging women to abort, but to let them make their own choices.

 

[tiberius]

http://teenmoms.ourfamily.com/pregnant.htm

Looks like a baby to me!

If it wasn't a baby then there wouldn't be a "need" to get rid of it, would there?

 

[bicker]

Looks like a baby to me!

Stillborns look like babies too. Regardless, if it looks like a baby to you, then you can decide to carry it to term. That's what choice is all about -- what I've been fighting to protect for you for over 40 years -- to give you that choice.

Gosh, Page 9. Well, I think this thread more than doubled the standard case, which would have that everything new to be said in a thread is said within the first four pages. It is getting redundant and tedious now. The nastiness is bound to follow. I'm outta here before that happens.

 

[tiberius]

Stillborns look like babies too.

That's because they are babies (unfortunately dead ones), just like bodies in the local morgue look like people (because they are dead people).

 

[Beth76]

http://teenmoms.ourfamily.com/pregnant.htm

Looks like a baby to me!

The first picture looks like an embryo to me. And let's remember that those pictures are hugely magnified. Not to mention they can't live outside the womb yet.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

That's because they are babies (unfortunately dead ones), just like bodies in the local morgue look like people (because they are dead people).

I think Bicker was referring to a post that seems to imply that a stillbirth is easier on a woman than an abortion. If whether the embryo/fetus/baby looks like a baby is the main consideration, a stillbirth would most certainly be worse than the abortion of an under-12-week embryo, the point by which the vast majority of abortions have occurred.

 

[goofygirl]

http://teenmoms.ourfamily.com/pregnant.htm

Looks like a baby to me!

OMG what a freakin' trainwreck that site is! Leave it to the anti-choice people to glorify the abomination that is teen pregnancy and call it "God's gift!"

Teen sex and especially teen unprotected sex and pregnancy is nothing to be proud of. It certainly should not be glorified on a website for cryin' out loud!

Like someone else said, they blow pictures up to mislead people into thinking its a baby in there. Seeing those pictures does not change my mind about abortion, in fact the growth is even uglier than I suspected and now I am even more sure I'd get an abortion if this happened to me!

 

[scubamouse]

Just curious then, do you want to make abortion illegal? I apologize if you already indicated your position on this and I missed it. You sound pro-choice from a political perspective, but pro-life for yourself.

It's hard to know whether to argue with you or not , because I think you have every right to your opinion and every right to carry to term any baby you choose. The only thing I want is for all women to continue to be allowed to make those decisions for themselves. You may think adoption would be easier than abortion, but clearly many other women feel differently. That's what being pro-choice is all about. Not encouraging women to abort, but to let them make their own choices.

Another adoptive mother chiming in to agree. I abhor abortion but I think it should be legal and ideally never necessary.

DS was born in Russia where abortions are free and pre-natal care is out of pocket. I will forever be grateful to his birthmother for choosing to carry him to term and I can't fathom her loss.

As someone else mentioned if we spent effort trying to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, the issue would go away. Of course that would be way to rational to expect any politician to embrace it

And for so many pro-life is a total misnomer. as soon as that baby takes it first breath they could care less what happens to the child - too bad if it's hungry and has no medical care and lousy schools. as far as anti-abortion people are concerned it's 'Mission Accomplished'

 

[bimshire]

And for so many pro-life is a total misnomer. as soon as that baby takes it first breath they could care less what happens to the child - too bad if it's hungry and has no medical care and lousy schools. as far as anti-abortion people are concerned it's 'Mission Accomplished'

Couldn't have said it better. The first thing they cut to balance budgets is Medicaid, Head Start, etc. for the children, and so many go to bed nightly hungry right here in the richest country in the world.

It's like we saved your life, go fend for yourself.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I think Bicker was referring to a post that seems to imply that a stillbirth is easier on a woman than an abortion. If whether the embryo/fetus/baby looks like a baby is the main consideration, a stillbirth would most certainly be worse than the abortion of an under-12-week embryo, the point by which the vast majority of abortions have occurred.

I had my abortion 1 year ago this next Sunday at 9 weeks. Which is a one week less than that 8 week photo .It was horrible and i think about it frequently. I'm angry and sad about it.I also had 3 children and had one of them been stillborn I would probably not have been able to get out of bed for a couple months.I would have mourned for life...I thought I was going to lose my DD at 28 weeks and that experience was horrible..I would never demean a woman who gave birth to a stillborn by saying my abortion hurt worse.
PS,Had I not had the abortion at 9 weeks,I probably wouldn't be able to post ANYTHING here right now.

 

[froglady]

The first picture looks like an embryo to me. And let's remember that those pictures are hugely magnified. Not to mention they can't live outside the womb yet.

After seeing that picture, I went to the NIH website, as I didn't recall an 8 week embryo looking that way in my OB/GYN nursing textbook...back in the pre-abortion days. The pictures the NIH have at 8.5 weeks definitely look like embryos, not little babies.

As in all matters, consider the source. The NIH may have an agenda, but the website which was the source of the picture posted definitely does.

 

[TNKBELL]

Another adoptive mother chiming in to agree. I abhor abortion but I think it should be legal and ideally never necessary.

DS was born in Russia where abortions are free and pre-natal care is out of pocket. I will forever be grateful to his birthmother for choosing to carry him to term and I can't fathom her loss.

As someone else mentioned if we spent effort trying to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, the issue would go away. Of course that would be way to rational to expect any politician to embrace it

And for so many pro-life is a total misnomer. as soon as that baby takes it first breath they could care less what happens to the child - too bad if it's hungry and has no medical care and lousy schools. as far as anti-abortion people are concerned it's 'Mission Accomplished'

Ouch! Wonder what HE has to say about that.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

And for so many pro-life is a total misnomer. as soon as that baby takes it first breath they could care less what happens to the child - too bad if it's hungry and has no medical care and lousy schools. as far as anti-abortion people are concerned it's 'Mission Accomplished'

And these wild assumptions of uncaring are based on what??

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Thank you South Dakota.

 

[beckmrk04]

And these wild assumptions of uncaring are based on what??

These "wild" assumptions are based on the mere fact that Republicans want to eradicate abortion, but then when the babies are born, they don't want to pay for their health care, food stamps or other welfare. Human service programs are the first to go on the budget chopping blocks. They want people to have babies that ARE NOT wanted, then expect them to ask for no help when they are in way over their heads and can't care for them. They cut spending on foster care programs, so people aren't even inclined to become foster parents and the system is completely overloaded and case workers have so many clients and get paid dirt.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

These "wild" assumptions are based on the mere fact that Republicans want to eradicate abortion, but then when the babies are born, they don't want to pay for their health care, food stamps or other welfare. Human service programs are the first to go on the budget chopping blocks. They want people to have babies that ARE NOT wanted, then expect them to ask for no help when they are in way over their heads and can't care for them. They cut spending on foster care programs, so people aren't even inclined to become foster parents and the system is completely overloaded and case workers have so many clients and get paid dirt.

I should have known it was the evil Republicans.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?