New SD banning abortion..

[chobie]

No, it does not read that way to me.

Actually the South Dakota law would legislate that life begins at conception which would include the moring after pill. I'm not sure if it would include regular birth control pills though.

 

[kristen821]

It's nnot a question of loving the child. It is a question of a child having to live in constant pain and the mother having to see and deal with that pain daily. You may want to do that and it is your choice, but what gives you the right to force your beliefs on someone else (I use You here as the community you, not you personally)

I feel I don't have the right to say that baby doesn't deserve to live. One of my best friends was in a bad car accident and has been in a vegatative state for 2 years. (a lot like terri shivo {spelling?}) It would be wrong to say she doesn't have the right to live so I feel it is wrong for me to decide if the baby should live too. Again this is for me personally I don't look down on anyone that chooses abortion. I just wouldn't do it and if asked would try to talk a friend out of it.

 

[kristen821]

Just think if even half of the effort was put into making sure they don't get pregnant in the first place. This whole issue would completely vanish.

This is true. I think they need to make birth control more availabe to people who can't afford it.

 

[chobie]

I wouldn't judge anyone for what they choose to do. They will have to live with the guilt of the abortion (if they end up feeling guilty) anyone I know that had an abortion regrets it. I just personally wouldn't have the abortion. If someone else chooses to that is thier choice. I don't always agree with other peoples choices, but don't think they are any worse of a person for it.

I have known several woman who have had abortions and none of them regretted or felt guilty about it. I have known women who have given up babies for adoption who did regret itand would have done anything to get the child back.

I don't have a link for the actual statistics, but I do know that many young girls who give babies up for adoption become pregnant again within a year or two and keep the baby even though they are in no better position to keep that baby then they were the first one. They are merely seeking to replace the baby that was handed over to another woman immediatley after they gave birth.

I am pro-choice, however I don't think I could ever have an abortion myself. I have never been faced with a pregnancy from rape, or a health/life issue while being pregant, so I can honestly say I do not know what I would do if faced with such a traumatic situation.

 

[bicker]

It's not just availability. It's culture and society: It has to become utterly taboo to be having sex without using multiple forms of birth control, if there isn't a mutual consent that the objective of the sex is to conceive. Preachers, teachers and parents must be projecting this message, even if it grates against their own personal wish that certain folks not have sex at all. No one can afford to be arrogant enough to expect that their own personal wish for (other people's) celebacy will trump their responsibility to project the right message to those who reject such celebacy, even if it is their own children.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Just think if even half of the effort was put into making sure they don't get pregnant in the first place. This whole issue would completely vanish.

I agree 100%.

 

[goofygirl]

Is fertility medicine legal in SD? I assume it is. I don't think it should be. Hey, if they are going to take away reproductive freedoms, they should do it across the board. Let all the infertile people in SD not take meds but adopt all the SD babies who won't be able to get aborted! But I know this won't happen, because producing babies is worshipped by conservatives- not matter how wrong, horrible or ridiculous the situation- if a baby is produced , its "wonderful" and a "miracle". I couldn't believe all the praise that selfish 62 yr old woman who gave birth got from the conservative sect- as if she was some kind of hero.


I don't like the turn this country is taking. I think its a good idea for every woman of childbearing age to get a tubal if they don't want kids or are done having kids. Hurry and do it, before they take away THAT choice, too!

 

[chobie]

Is fertility medicine legal in SD? I assume it is. I don't think it should be. Hey, if they are going to take away reproductive freedoms, they should do it across the board. Let all the infertile people in SD not take meds but adopt all the SD babies who won't be able to get aborted! But I know this won't happen, because producing babies is worshipped by conservatives- not matter how wrong, horrible or ridiculous the situation- if a baby is produced , its "wonderful" and a "miracle". I couldn't believe all the praise that selfish 62 yr old woman who gave birth got from the conservative sect- as if she was some kind of hero.


I don't like the turn this country is taking. I think its a good idea for every woman of childbearing age to get a tubal if they don't want kids or are done having kids. Hurry and do it, before they take away THAT choice, too!

Actually only blastocsyts, embryos and feutses are worshipped by pro-lifers. Once the babies are born they don't want to give them food or medical care.

And the half a million ALL READY BORN children rotting in the foster care system? Who cares --we have frozen embryos to worry about.

 

[shortbun]

I am just stating personal choices as long as abortion is legal who am I to judge what other people do! But, I do know of people being told that thier babies would have something wrong with them and they should have an abortion when they didn't have the abortion the baby turned out fine. I know of 3 people that this happened too.

WOW, that's amazing!!! I have worked with over 500 women in my lifetime who were of childbearing age(travel agents, waitresses and bus drivers). I only know two women who were told there was something horribly wrong with the fetus they were carrying; one's skull did not form and the other was born with organs outside her body and severe CP with other complications and a life expectancy of 20. There was nothing wrong with either doctor's diagnosis. Horrible that your friends have such dumb doctors!!! I've heard many urban legends along these lines but that's exactly what they were. Propaganda for the anti-choice groups is common. Be pro or anti choice but don't get sucked in by the legends.

 

[mickeyfan2]

WOW, that's amazing!!! I have worked with over 500 women in my lifetime who were of childbearing age(travel agents, waitresses and bus drivers). I only know two women who were told there was something horribly wrong with the fetus they were carrying; one's skull did not form and the other was born with organs outside her body and severe CP with other complications and a life expectancy of 20. There was nothing wrong with either doctor's diagnosis. Horrible that your friends have such dumb doctors!!! I've heard many urban legends along these lines but that's exactly what they were. Propaganda for the anti-choice groups is common. Be pro or anti choice but don't get sucked in by the legends.

WOW this comment is amazing. Did you not see my story about 1 person. The Dr was not dumb, the lab obviously got two files mixed up. That can happen since we are all human.

 

[Beth76]

WOW this comment is amazing. Did you not see my story about 1 person. The Dr was not dumb, the lab obviously got two files mixed up. That can happen since we are all human.

In defense of Shortbun, I actually find your story not very believable. I do believe that lab results can get mixed up. What I don't believe is that there were no other tests or ultrasounds done that would confirm or deny the condition.

 

[pixiemomma]

I'm confused because gender can be determined by amnio. Wouldn't they have realized that something is wrong when subsequent high-level ultrasounds (of which I am sure there were many with such dire amnio results) showed a female baby, not a male like the amnio said?

 

[kristen821]

I'm confused because gender can be determined by amnio. Wouldn't they have realized that something is wrong when subsequent high-level ultrasounds (of which I am sure there were many with such dire amnio results) showed a female baby, not a male like the amnio said?

Maybe they couldn't tell on the ultrasound. I think a lot of times doctors jump to conclusions when they see bad test results. They only have a small period of time to talk you into an abortion. I don't think in the cases that i know of where they told them something was wrong with the baby they ran any extra test. I may be wrong though, but I don't remember my friend saying she has to go in for another test when she was pregnant, but she may not have mentioned it either.

 

[mickeyfan2]

In defense of Shortbun, I actually find your story not very believable. I do believe that lab results can get mixed up. What I don't believe is that there were no other tests or ultrasounds done that would confirm or deny the condition.

They happened after the decision to not abort. Ultrasounds are less accurate to the sex of the baby then amnio is. So the Drs based their results on that test to recommend the abortion. Once the parents chose to not abort, there was stress until the day of the birth.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I'm confused because gender can be determined by amnio. Wouldn't they have realized that something is wrong when subsequent high-level ultrasounds (of which I am sure there were many with such dire amnio results) showed a female baby, not a male like the amnio said?

Yes but that was after the decision to not abort. This kid is now 10 years old, so ultrasound was less clear in the picture back then.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

It's nnot a question of loving the child. It is a question of a child having to live in constant pain and the mother having to see and deal with that pain daily. You may want to do that and it is your choice, but what gives you the right to force your beliefs on someone else (I use You here as the community you, not you personally)

What gives you or anyone else the right to decide whether a child lives or dies?

 

[punkin]

What gives you or anyone else the right to decide whether a child lives or dies?

There is no child. There is a blastocyst or a fetus. Once a child is born, it is too late for anyone to chose anything. That's the point.

 

[beckmrk04]

Actually only blastocsyts, embryos and feutses are worshipped by pro-lifers. Once the babies are born they don't want to give them food or medical care.

And the half a million ALL READY BORN children rotting in the foster care system? Who cares --we have frozen embryos to worry about.

Thank you!
You are SO right!

 

[kristen821]

There is no child. There is a blastocyst or a fetus. Once a child is born, it is too late for anyone to chose anything. That's the point.

This is the difference between people who are pro-life and pro-choice. I believe the baby feels the pain and is a real person. It has a heart beat and moves. It is believed that it can hear your voice.
http://teenmoms.ourfamily.com/pregnant.htm
At 20 weeks old it looks to me that this is a real person. It even has a chance to live it is born.

 

[AnaheimGirl]

As an adoptive mom, I want to address the "just place the babies for adoption" viewpoint, and the comments about the rate of depression in women who have had abortions. You make it sound so easy. Do you really think that forcing a woman to carry to term, give birth, and then place the baby for adoption, will lessen her depression?

Birthmothers also have a higher rate of depression than other women. I personally have talked to more than one previously pro-life birthmother who aborted a subsequent unplanned pregnancy, because the adoption loss had been so horrible and they didn't think they could take it again. I've read a powerful commentary on the internet (can't find it anymore, ), comparing the grief one woman felt from the stillbirth of a planned baby, to the grief of losing a previous, unplanned baby to adoption. Placing the baby for adoption was worse for her, because there was no closure and no support for her grief.

My dd was born of American parents in the U.S. I won't go into the details of her conception because it's private, but her birthmother knew immediately that she did not want to raise the child. Yes, abortion is legal and she could have easily had one. But, she (and many others like her) didn't. She CHOSE to give birth to the baby and I wouldn't want to take that choice away from her.

My dd, and other adoptees in this current time of choice, will grow up knowing that their birthmothers loved them enough to go through with the pregnancy and give them a chance at life. They do not have to grow up knowing that they might have been aborted, had it been legal. If abortion were illegal, my wait to adopt a baby would likely have been shorter , but that's not the point. Women with unplanned pregnancies are people too, and deserve the right to make whatever decision is best for them, not for me or other infertile couples.

Adoption is an alternative to raising a baby. Abortion is an alternative to carrying a pregnancy. The only thing they have in common is that they both often result from unplanned pregnancies.