New SD banning abortion..

[beckmrk04]

And many folks will probably come to realize, too late, that "banned" doesn't mean "prevented" -- it only means "criminalized." Women will have abortions, whether the law allows them to or not, as has always been the case, for thousands of years. The only control society has over the practice is with regard to how safe or dangerous it is.

Absolutely. It isn't a matter of stopping all abortion,like so many pro-lifers seem to think. It is a matter of abortions happening in medical safe environments or in the back alleys in cars with butchers. Or taking unsafe doses of medication to abort. It will still happen.

 

[mark&sue]

Living here in the UK we women take for granted our rights for free contraception and if the worse happens free abortions. And of course free health care all round.

It is not often that I am pleased to live in UK instead of US but on these occasions I am.




Susan

 

[VSL]

Living here in the UK we women take for granted our rights for free contraception and if the worse happens free abortions. And of course free health care all round.

It is not often that I am pleased to live in UK instead of US but on these occasions I am.

I'm always thinking exactly the same thing when it comes to some of the medical (and some other) things that are discussed on this board.

Very sad indeed.

BTW, I would personally not have an abortion [unless it was rape, baby very ill, etc.], but I fully support other women's rights to decide what's best fot them.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I am a 49 year old female with 3 children. I am pro choice. It is my body & I should have the right to decide what my body is going to do. I have 2 daughter's & a son. I don't want my daughter's placed into a position that if something were to happen (meaning pregnancy), no matter what the reason is, I would not want them forced to have that child.
Sorry but all the pro life-ers need to see that being pro life is a choice, why is it ok to have that choice but not the other
I hope they do not send our country back pre 1970's. Let's see, we are taking away from our senior's with cracking down on them getting their meds from non USA place's, now let's make every pregnant female have that child (or they can do some illegal & medically harmful thing to themselves)... and I thought we were Land of the Free I guess we are only free as long as we obey our dictator

 

[disneyjunkie]

Sure, when the mom's white and the father is white too, infertile couples are just champing at the bit to adopt their baby. If the baby is black or can't "pass" for white, not so much. I worked briefly at an adoption agency. There was a nice long list of parents waiting for white babies, but we were turning away black birth mothers.

We had a white birth mother who lied about her rapist's race. She said he was white, but her rapist was black (sorry, I just can't refer to a rapist as a birth father). She chose a white couple to adopt her baby. A few days after she gave birth, she signed away her parental rights and the new parents took the baby boy home. They took him to a pediatrician, who said this baby wasn't white. I took the first call from the almost-adoptive father after the doctor's exam, who kept skirting around the issue and wouldn't say what was wrong with his baby. At first I thought there was some medical problem, like a heart condition. He kept saying "the baby looks fine to me". After about 5-10 minutes I realized he possibly meant the baby's race was what was "wrong", and I asked him if the doctor said the baby wasn't fully Caucasian. He seemed relieved to say "yes". Long story short, we managed to find new parents for the baby boy on short notice. I think they must have been the last on the list willing to take a biracial baby, because right after that we began to turn away black birth mothers.

Wow, what a sad story.

Glad to hear your agency was able to find a home for the baby.
As for the first "parents", did they end up with a baby? I sure hope not.

 

[eyeoreismyhero]

I am a 49 year old female with 3 children. I am pro choice. It is my body & I should have the right to decide what my body is going to do. I have 2 daughter's & a son. I don't want my daughter's placed into a position that if something were to happen (meaning pregnancy), no matter what the reason is, I would not want them forced to have that child.
Sorry but all the pro life-ers need to see that being pro life is a choice, why is it ok to have that choice but not the other
I hope they do not send our country back pre 1970's. Let's see, we are taking away from our senior's with cracking down on them getting their meds from non USA place's, now let's make every pregnant female have that child (or they can do some illegal & medically harmful thing to themselves)... and I thought we were Land of the Free I guess we are only free as long as we obey our dictator

What you miss is many people don't see the legal murder of millions of unborn babies as a freedom anyone should have. People constantly throw up that abortions are medically necessary, but if you read the statistics on the US CDC website. Approximately 1% of abortions reported in the US are medically necessary and another 7% in the case of rape. That leaves 92% who are using it is as oops birth control. Very sad and troubling!

 

[TDC Nala]

I remember a story on a news magazine show about a victim of rape who adopted out the resulting child. 20 years later, this child appears looking for her family. I don't remember the state this occurred in, but it is one in which adoptees are given the right to discover the records of their birth parents. The young lady had also managed to find her birth father through some kind of search of public records since he had been prosecuted for the rape (he was apparently in prison for some other crime committed after the rape but due to be paroled), had given this man the name, location and phone number of her birth mother, and thought they could all get together and be the biological family she never had. The mother, as I recall, changed her name and moved out of state.

I remember this story whenever I hear that rape victims should have the child and give it up for adoption.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

What you miss is many people don't see the legal murder of millions of unborn babies as a freedom anyone should have. People constantly throw up that abortions are medically necessary, but if you read the statistics on the US CDC website. Approximately 1% of abortions reported in the US are medically necessary and another 7% in the case of rape. That leaves 92% who are using it is as oops birth control. Very sad and troubling!

First of all many people don't see first term abortion as murder. Second, neither your nor I or anyone else for that matter can judge why the 92% chose to terminate.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

I am a 49 year old female with 3 children. I am pro choice. It is my body & I should have the right to decide what my body is going to do. I have 2 daughter's & a son. I don't want my daughter's placed into a position that if something were to happen (meaning pregnancy), no matter what the reason is, I would not want them forced to have that child.
Sorry but all the pro life-ers need to see that being pro life is a choice, why is it ok to have that choice but not the other
I hope they do not send our country back pre 1970's. Let's see, we are taking away from our senior's with cracking down on them getting their meds from non USA place's, now let's make every pregnant female have that child (or they can do some illegal & medically harmful thing to themselves)... and I thought we were Land of the Free I guess we are only free as long as we obey our dictator

I deeply agree with you. I'm older than you and was around before abortion was easily available and legal. I cannot believe that this country may go back to those days. Surely the women of the country will take to the streets to stop it. If not then only those with money and the ability to travel will be able to have control over their own bodies. What a shame.

 

[punkin]

I deeply agree with you. I'm older than you and was around before abortion was easily available and legal. I cannot believe that this country may go back to those days. Surely the women of the country will take to the streets to stop it. If not then only those with money and the ability to travel will be able to have control over their own bodies. What a shame.

VOTE people. With religious conservatives in power, most civil liberties will continue to be eroded.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I heard about this earlier today on the news. I would never have an abortion, but rape and incest (if the girl is a minor) are valid reasons to me. I could not understand the mental anquish it would cause to have to carry a baby from rape to term and deliver it.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Something that has always been a question to me about the women's body and she can do what she wants is for the Father's rights. Many men are good father's but they have no say in their unborn babies life. I don't know how to resolve this. We give the women all the rights. If she wants to abort, he loses his child. If she wants the baby, he pay support. I know there are cases when he and she want the abortion or they both want the baby. That is not an issue for me. I am more interested when they want the opposite. For me the my body my rules is not the complete answer for me. For you pro-choice people how do you see this issue?

 

[JPN4265]

I'm pro life. But I am pro choice in cases of rape, death or mother and/or fetus, and incest. I'm not totally sure how I stand on this. I think that rape victims should have that right to choose.

You are either one or the other, you can't be both. If you are not pro choice you have to take the stand that abortions should never under any circumstances be allowed. If you say you want to protect the unborn, then it should not matter what or how you became pregnant, or if your life is in danger. Machines can keep the mother alive until the baby is born. We have the technology Pro choice, well I think you get the drift.

 

[punkin]

I would like to remind all of you getting upset at Sparx's inconsistent position that she is still a child.

 

[VSL]

Something that has always been a question to me about the women's body and she can do what she wants is for the Father's rights. Many men are good father's but they have no say in their unborn babies life. I don't know how to resolve this. We give the women all the rights. If she wants to abort, he loses his child. If she wants the baby, he pay support. . . .For me the my body my rules is not the complete answer for me.

I know - I am always torn with this one.

 

[luvmydogs]

Something that has always been a question to me about the women's body and she can do what she wants is for the Father's rights. Many men are good father's but they have no say in their unborn babies life. I don't know how to resolve this. We give the women all the rights. If she wants to abort, he loses his child. If she wants the baby, he pay support. I know there are cases when he and she want the abortion or they both want the baby. That is not an issue for me. I am more interested when they want the opposite. For me the my body my rules is not the complete answer for me. For you pro-choice people how do you see this issue?

As I used to be a counselor at a Planned Parenthood where first trimester abortions were performed; and have seen many men come in and *demand* that their wife/girlfriend/SO/daughter have an abortion when she didn't want one, I would say the same thing to a man who wanted a woman to continue the pregnancy as I'd say to the above-mentioned men, "I'm sorry sir. She cannot be forced to do *anything.* It is her body, and by law, her choice."

Being pro-choice, although certainly understanding the biological father's issues, means that I respect the right of the woman, above anyone else, to carefully and thoughtfully consider all her legal options in conjunction with her moral, ethical and religious convictions, and make the decision she feels is right--abortion, adoption, or the raising of the child.

I think one can be pro-choice under certain circumstances. Along with being there in the room for two women who were usual picketers outside our clinic while they had *their* abortions, I'd say they definitely pick and choose their beliefs according to their life circumstances. I also had to hold the hand of an 11 year old girl who not only was pregnant, but had four sexually-transmitted diseases. Her mother couldn't be with her because no one knew where she was; and the father couldn't be there because he was in jail for raping his daughter and getting her pregnant and giving her the STD's in the first place.

 

[mbw12]

Honestly, it's none of my business whether anyone else chooses to have a child or not. Don't know why other people think it's their business.

I don't care whether someone chooses to have an abortion because of rape or incest, or just because they can't afford it, or don't think they would make good parents.

I don't care whether someone chooses to keep a baby whether they're young, old, wealthy or poor.

It is their choice; not my place to pass judgment.

I agree 100%!!!!!
Let's just remember to get out there and VOTE!!!!!!!

 

[WatchinCaptKangaroo]

Does anyone remember the study that was done in the 70s about the gang problems and how gangs and violence would be out of control by the late 80s? And it never materialized.

Why?

Because R v. W made abortion legal. Women were no longer left with the option to have a child they could not or did not want to care for or have a dangerous back ally abortion.

I don't remember the name of the study. Does anyone know what I am talking about?

 

[bekkiz]

I am fully pro-choice and concur with many of the statments made above.

I did want to add a comment about the rights of the father, and this will probably be unpopular, but here you go:

I, as a woman, fully believe that if a woman has the freedom and choice to carry or not carry a baby to term (and she should) that the father should also have the freedom to "opt out" of participating in the child's life (whether financial or otherwise.)

This, of course, doesn't solve the problem of the man wanting the child and the woman not, but it at least is a step towards equity.

 

[punkin]

I also had to hold the hand of an 11 year old girl who not only was pregnant, but had four sexually-transmitted diseases. Her mother couldn't be with her because no one knew where she was; and the father couldn't be there because he was in jail for raping his daughter and getting her pregnant and giving her the STD's in the first place.

Let's talk about the nonsense called parental notification which is still the law in many states. It really works in cases like this doesn't it?